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Here's the link to the water temp item. The IR temp reader is separate.

 

Oh wow @Mr. Fox unloading the FTW eh? Looking to get a KP?

@Johnksss I've got the desktop fired up... did you just want 5.0GHz stock FS runs? Or the gpu OC'ed?

 

@iunlock

Interesting.

Not looking for stock. fire up 5.4 ghz and let her rip.

 

Yes indeed. Interesting for sure...

Lol Roger that. I ended up running some 5.0GHz (remembering that's what you asked for earlier) runs right now focusing on the Graphics, because I have a fresh 9900K in there that I haven't even binned yet so we'll see if it can handle 54x.... if not I'll just swap in the golden egg later... but tonight I'll focus on Graphics to see what the FTW can do.

 

Oh man, he's buying the KingPin card....have you sourced a good divorce lawyer yet, or at least a good local marriage counsellor! :-D

(Also, don't commit Harakiri if the King Pin is not any better than your current 2080ti - oh lord, but what if it's worse......now where's that sword at!!)

 

When I saw that (link) I had thought the same thing lol (KP)...

Now time to maybe help look up some marriage counselors?

We've got your back @Mr. Fox

 

Nope, not getting a KP card. I would like to, but that is just way too much money. Since I have no plans for LN2 or other sub-zero benching, I doubt that I would realize the full benefit of owning one.

And, yes, I would have one very angry lady on my hands if I did that. Having peace with my best friend for 33 years trumps my benching addiction.

If all goes according to plan, I will come out of the deal with minimal expense involved and Mrs. Fox won't be unhappy.

 

Respect. - And I agree the KP's were made with XOC in mind to begin with... great cards, but slim margin in respect to the dollar paid without a doubt...

I'm benching the FTW as we speak...

What are you plans to get next? Perhaps another FTW with Sammy chips?

 

Yes sir. Exactly that.

Looking forward to seeing your FTW3 results. Are you on a chiller, or normal water cooling?

 

Awesome. Figured so.

I'm running the card in my desktop on the custom loop. 2x 360 Rads, 1x 240 Rad, with all fans push/pull config (except the 240 rad); a total of 14x fans total. I'll run it in both conditions and post the best results.

 

New Fire Strike PR: 32130

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19256219

Goofy run, but check out the Graphics score: 41199 @Mr. Fox

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19256222

* This new out of box 9900K seems to be handling 54x pretty ok lol... neato.

More to come...stay tuned.

 

goofy indeed, did the CPU or GPU give out on you during the combined test?

 

No it finished surprisingly. Everything seems to be running fine now... just broke another graphics PR ... benching in progress....

 

Didn't you want to keep your water block, you could re-use it on your 'identical' new GPU, and then just sell the current 2080ti with the air cooler attached?

 

New Fire Strike PR: 32274

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19257294

Graphics: 41298

 

Nope, won't fit. FTW3 is not a reference PCB. It also has more power phases, dual BIOS and fuse-protected. But, otherwise I would.

 

2080TI [FTW3]

Fire Strike PR: 32674

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19258444

Fire Strike Extreme PR: 19029

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19258442

Fire Strike Ultra PR: 9911

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19258440

Time Spy PR: 16678

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/7108062

 

Oh damn

 

Nice runs using a 9900K.

So it seems to be holding true to form.

Now one quick run at 50X please.

 

Thanks brother.

50x coming right up....

 

Fire Strike Run @ 50x
2080Ti [FTW3]

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19259125

@Johnksss @Mr. Fox @Prema @Talon @Rage Set @Robbo99999 @JoeT44

 

Thanks for that!.

So the card needed the Gigabyte DNA to accomplish that?

 

Very welcome. Yea I like this board a lot... My buddies overseas who all use the typical Asus boards that everyone has, used to tease me when I first got the GB Z390 when it first came out... now about 40% of them all bought one lol... I wasn't a fan of GB boards during the >Z370 era, but now I'm all about it. Oh and the bios... ugghh... all these youtube reviewers giving their lazy opinions on it lol.... the truth is, it's really not that bad. It's 100% funtional and thorough... sure it's not as pretty as Asus (they got the purdee thing down), but at the end of the day, super strong board with a functional bios that can handle & deliver some serious power... The latest bios update also added some useful features taken from some pages out of Asus book...

 

Ah right, I see, I had thought you were getting exact same model, just with Sammy VRAM. More power phases sounds good though, and dual BIOS never hurts!

 

Was talking about the Vbios. It was a rib joke for all the times you told me about using Alienware DNA.

Although I may grab a Gigabyte Z390 Designare because it has all the options im looking for outside of overclocking. A good tech board for other projects.

 

Oh haha! Just as I had posted that I had a feeling you were referring to that. All good brother ... all in good fun.

Yea the Designare board is nice! Same power phases as the Master ... a lot of board for the buck for sure...

 

https://valid.x86.fr/flvj1i

Totally lucked out with another SL? This 9900K went straight from the box into the desktop with the intent to bin it and what ya know... This may top my 9900K golden egg that I was going to put in here for benching...

 

You lucky SOB! LOL.

Is that stable for anything other than a quick CPU-Z grab? If so any AVX offsets?

 

Affirmative. Very usable. It's holding pretty strong...no offsets.


Fire Strike - Graphics PR: 41304

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19259903

I'll dive into it more later today. Maybe put in the KP later? TBD...

 

Nice graphics score.

Will it pass Cinebench and wPrime at 5.5GHz? That's pretty sweet.

 

Thanks brother. I just turned everything off, but I'll surely get back to it later today. About to head out the door... a few meetings and some errands, then I'll be back at it.

I've sent some of my contacts the link for the card for sale... hope it goes fast.

 

Awesome, thank you. I hope so, too... to keep my sweetie happy and to keep me out of the dog house.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19260207

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Yeah, don't run a borderline stable overclock on your CPU unless you wanna run the risk of hosing your OS - but you've probably backed it up & taken a system image before you started your overclocking. I do an overnight test of x264 from here ( https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-intel-cpus/1570313-skylake-overclocking-guide-statistics.html), but I do an hour or so run of Prime95 v26.6 (no AVX) first to quickly ensure non-AVX stability. That testing regime is a lot less severe than OCCT, so I was able to run a higher overclock by changing to that testing regime - so far it's been stable in everything I do for the last half year or so.

 

I don't plan to run 55x daily and I'm well aware of stability testing. When gaming I just keep it at 50x to 52x. I really don't need anything above that for daily usage. 53x and 54x on the Golden egg (my original 9900K) I run for giggles, not because the games need it.

For high overclocks I don't need it to be able to pass every test under the sun. Plus, with benching one size doesn't fit all so there are a lot of factors to it than just clocks.

As for backing up, absolutely. I've got iso's for days on end... It's a must and a good habit.

 

Hmmmmmm this 5.0Ghz score seems in check in with Area-51m score. Can you please run a 5.1Ghz and 5.2Ghz run as well for me? Got some experimenting to do later.

 

I agree, as a truly highly clocked and stable chip impresses me equally as much as an unstable even higher overclock that passes certain benchies.

I usually do (in order)

CB10, CB15, CB20
Wprime1024
Prime95 26.6 1hr+ (No AVX)

If it makes it past that:

3dmark suite run
RealBench 2.56 (now with AVX!)
Prime95 29.x 1hr+

I just like to see where a chip truly ranks in regards to true stability including “unrealistic” tests.

If I’m benching, I don’t care what crashes it as long as it isn’t the bench I’m trying to run.

 

You have a great wife! She would probably push you to the spare room at best.

Sorry brother @ssj92 you would need to be above 27K at 5.0 ghz in that bench....

 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19261372

 

You guys are really lucky with your 9900K's. I was going to buy another, but I'll wait until the 10c arrives later this Fall.

 

Okay so I am aiming for 5Ghz 27k then.

Next year?

 

yep, sometime next year iirc... so i can enjoy my 9900k a bit longer mwahaha

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I agree. It's always nice to see stable high OC's in CPU's for sure, but the truth of the matter is unless one is a hard core content creator that does intensive tasks daily for a living (or benching of course), running such high clocks for daily isn't really practical other than to just run it.

In the benching world we're open to getting what we can get with SL and the importance on the stability aspect often times is in ratio to what the bench requires to get the job done. So if a test can complete and produce what it needs to then all good. On the other hand higher clocks doesn't always mean better.

Like you've noted, " If I’m benching, I don’t care what crashes it as long as it isn’t the bench I’m trying to run."

- If a cpu is able to run at high clocks, I'll take it.. it dosen't need to be able to pass all the tests for it to get the job done. I'm not looking for 1+ hour stability with clocks that I'll never be running daily, when I'm using it for benching.

I also see that you have an 8086K. Nice... it's a fine chip as I've got a few in the arsenal as well. Both of my 8086K's can do 53x all day long, but only one can do 54x stable for gaming and cpu intensive tasks, while the other one can do 54x and stand up right with gaming, steaming, recording etc... just fine, however, it can't complete some of the bench tests like you've listed above.

Therefore, when talking about stability there are many compartments to the meaning of what's 'stable,' relative to what purpose it is serving.

Take for example the 8086K that can run at 54x during games, streaming and recording; with it never having BSOD ... all the while it does BOSD if it was running Prime95 etc... well to a gamer that chip at 54x is considered stable for his purpose. So 'stable,' has a lot of meanings and it's a tricky subject/word due to all the variables at play...

The simple way to look at it is:

IF, the 8086K can run 54x stable for gaming, recording, and streaming without ever getting a BOSD, but can't run an hour long Prime95 test,

THAT, doesnt mean that it's not stable to the gamer, because it's getting the job done without any interruptions.

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I've always looked at some of the extreme tests as being somewhat unrealistic for this reason, because if a CPU can hold clocks that the user is happy with, but crashes with an hour long extreme test, that to me is more on the unrealistic side than the reality. - That is just my opinion. ie... I wouldn't write off a cpu just because it can't handle extreme tests.

Again, the word stable in the world of CPU's is very complex lol.

 

Well said. All of it, but especially the quoted part. If the overclock passes the specific test I want it to run at a given time... it's stable. If it doesn't pass, I tweak it as needed. But, if I only considered it to be stable if it passed every test, every time, under all conditions, I wouldn't be an overclocking nut, and I wouldn't have many HWBOT points, LOL. I have profiles saved in the BIOS. I don't run 5.2GHz on my 7960X all of the time. I switch to the 4.9 or 5.0GHz profile. Or, if it is in the middle of summer in Phoenix and sitting at 120°F outside and 85°F in my office, I might even use the 4.8GHz profile. Stable changes with the work environment. Temps, operating system, what Windows Updates have been applied... drive corruption, programs running in the background... all of those things can affect stability. So, yeah... that is a very subjective and relative definition that can vary widely even for the same person using the same computer every day.

And, playing games I don't see enough difference in the experience to bother with a high overclock. It changes so little that there is not much point in it. (Depending on the game, that could be a different story with a weak CPU and weak GPU, and overclocking for gaming in that circumstance can certainly make sense.)

Getting the GPU ready to ship tomorrow. I'll be unable to use my desktop for a few days until the replacement arrives. But, all systems are go, and documented as such.

 

Very good point and very true. - "But, if I only considered it to be stable if it passed every test, every time, under all conditions, I wouldn't be an overclocking nut, and I wouldn't have many HWBOT points, LOL." - Amen to that lol...

Congrats on getting the card back to stock! Exciting times for an exciting transition.

 

Congrats bro on the quick sale!

 

I'm of the thought though that if you're tuning an OC to be just "stable for gaming" without running some other tests that highlight errors more clearly, then I think I can imagine a scenario where the CPU is not truly stable in gaming which results in small errors during gameplay that won't cause a BSOD or crash but might cause corruption of the game files or might cause inaccuracies in the 'game calculations' that result in game bugs or 'untruths' in the game world. When I say 'untruths in the game world', I'm imagining scenarios where a CPU miscalculation caused by unstable overclock might mean the difference between a kill or a death, due to miscalculation of the 'game world'. I imagine its important to run tests that clearly highlight CPU errors when validating an overclock for use in games & other programs - not necessarily significantly harsher tests than gaming, just tests that clearly highlight CPU errors (Prime95 being one example, because I believe it checks it's pie calculations against known truths); unstable overclocks won't necessarily crash applications but can cause unseen errors all the same.

 

Only took a few minutes. Each shunt was tacked with a tiny bit of low melting point solder. Just enough to hold it and make a strong enough circuit.

Thanks, bro. It went really quick. Going to drain the block, blow it out and box it up. Can hardly wait for the FTW3 to get here. Hydro Copper block will be arriving the day before. Will have to use my laptop for 4 days (yuck).

 

That's a great technical look at the details indeed and I agree... for that very reason the computers set up at pro gaming events are not overclocked to such levels, because every bit counts in that realm, especially with fps type games.

With benches we can afford to have the looser tolerances where it doesn't matter much, if at all.

For regular stuff running the cpu's at a comfortable range often tends to be way more than enough...ie... 50x on all cores with an 8700K/8086K or heck with the proper cooling even on the 9900K, which I run mine at. At 50x that's still way way more than enough, but it's fun to run it at that level.