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Why make a huge book due a single comment on the physics score? And I said as well... Great scores



https://hwbot.org/submission/415051...0_(notebook_mxm)_14793_marks?recalculate=true

 

To help you understand, because it's still seems like you don't. Anyway, no biggie.

 

Oh, well. The difference in physics between two runs was below 0,2% or 46 points. I was probably lucky that Windows didn't fired up a task in the background in one of the bench But I shall not drag it further

 

Wow 3-4 hours that's impressive. The quality and rythem of REM sleep is super important and looks like you've naturally got that dialed in pretty well.

What's interesting is that staying in good health is very relavent to the pc world due to how much people sit at the desk. I usually set an alarm on the phone to go off every hour if I'm sitting.

For this reason I've invested in a motorized standing desk and it has been a dream. It's also handy to be able to adjust it for shorter cords lol.

That's awesome brother. I'll bench in the middle of your gym and wait for the person to walk up, then I'll know it's you lol...

Have you seen the 89 year 'young' body builder that looks like a million bucks for his age? It's very inspiring.

We need all the energy we can to stay benching.

 

Nice. While your at it since you're on top of it with research, calculate the percentage between my fire strike graphics score (41541) FTW3 card VS a KP card on regular water... And figure out the percentage.

Once I bench my KP card I'll have the raw data since it'll be in the same benching condition, but I've been curious what the highest KP graphics score is on regular water, because most of them so far are all using chiller, dice etc... ... So no XOC scores...

 

Kp is not for wc is for xtreme ovk ... ln2 / dry ice

 

I'm pretty sure we all know that around here. That doesn't mean that the KP card can't be ran with water cooling. There are classes for water cooled set ups as much as there are for LN2 and DICE.

There is a reason why they are designing a water block for the card. I'll personally be running mine on water, well it kind of already is with the AIO, but I mean with a full (Hydro copper) block once it releases and I'm sure there will be many like me that will be doing the same.

"Designed with open loop enthusiasts in mind, the new K|NGP|N was built to accept a custom built EVGA Hydro (H2O) Copper block and aftermarket cooling solutions. This open loop version will retain the OLED functionality." - EVGA

Not every KP card purchaser will be running LN2 or DICE. The majority of the KP owners will of course be benching it, but there are also those who actually will game on it as well, because at the end of the day it is a GPU afterall.. just a really darn good one with cream of the crop hand selected chips...

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Hmm to be honest there is no point of buying a KP to run it standard as you can buy something else for lot cheaper

 

I run my 2080Ti FTW3 as standard + for benching too.

The KP's are for benching lol... of course!

 

me 2

 

Great! Looking forward to your benches and posts.

 

My “best” score using it on default cooling

https://benchmark.unigine.com/results/rid_e6f421fc98da478e93c16331e733f858

Unfortunately my issue is time ... but I will go with a different cooling eventually, the best result i got the boar running about 2250 on chilled water.

I didn’t had a chance to test the xoc bios yet as I left for a conference shortly after was released ... but will continue to find best solution ... maybe different CPU for 3dmark scores.

 

Nice... can you run some 3DMark benches and post up some scores? Fire Strike, Time Spy, FS Extreme, FS Ultra, TS Extreme etc...

2250 is very solid... good stuff.

 

Man, that's quite an insane schedule! But you give me hope, I'm 43 and haven't done much weight training over the last 3 yrs due to time/energy levels/some intermittent injuries, if you can do it at 55 I should probably make the effort! I did some kinds of weight training my whole life from age 18-39, I'm 5'9" and got up to 90kg of muscle (& fat) at my heaviest when I was 32 yrs old, but I decided to be healthier and start some running & drop the fat while not focusing quite as mentally on the weight training, so I dropped down to 73kg, which is where I'm still at. I never did any steroids, but I did take creatine (occurs naturally in food too) a number of times, and that actually made a big difference for me, but even that didn't feel too healthy, I think it puts a bit of strain on the kidneys. I've got a spare room with power cage, I do/did squats, deadlifts (but not enough space here for that), bench pressing, my own take on Rows, weighted dips, weighted chins - I'm a believer in big compound exercises and relatively low reps (stronglifts 5x5 was my thing). I'm really out of lifting fitness, but pretty sure I could still do 12+ chins and 12+ dips if I was to jump in there now. One things for sure, over the last 5 yrs I've noticed I need to look after & listen to my body, more injury prone & don't recover as quickly!! Looks like we enjoy overclocking our bodies as well as our PC's, I also overclocked my cars in the past, ha!

 

Yeah, never too late to resume overclocking your body, LOL. We should listen and pay attention to our bodies when we are young, too. But, when we are young males often have a flawed conception that we are invincible and we do dumb things that cause injuries we do not know about and remain latent until we get older. I had back surgery in 2010 for a ruptured disk at L4-L5 and about three years ago I was told I had 3 more blown disks and needed lumbar fusion surgery. The imaging showed a terrible mess. I was in a lot of pain, with sciatica in both legs and had difficulty walking or standing for more than about 5 to 10 minutes due to excrutiating pain.

When I was young I used to do a lot of strong man stunts that were stupid and I am sure that is what messed up my back. Things like picking up a VW Rabbit with the rear bumper and moving it across the shop and carrying a refrigerator up and down three flights of stairs with it strapped to my back just to show off. Frequently, not just once or twice. I was benching 325 pounds in 8th grade and got up to 425 pounds, leg pressing over 700 pounds by the time I graduated from high school, and using poor technique. And, by the time I reached middle age, all of that stupidity started surfacing.

Over the years (with no exercise) I thought it was impressive to eat like a horse. I entered a few food eating contests and did well with that competition. But, just ordinary day-to-day eating was out of control. For example, going to a pizza buffet and eating 32 slices of pizza or going to a Mexican buffet and eating like 20 enchiladas or tacos (just to show off). At age 54 I was 365 pounds and 5'11" tall, wore a XXXL T-shirt snugly and had a 48-inch waistline. I had low-T (gave myself injections for it weekly), type 2 diabetes (was taking metformin), stage 3 hypertension (220/195 stroke candidate) and gout... and the meds that went with those things. Very unhealthy. All that on top of needing lumbar fusion surgery and living in constant pain.

So, I had gastric sleeve surgery about 18 months ago and lost about 120 pounds. All of those illnesses are gone now and I only take a very low dose of blood pressure medication. And, best of all my spinal cord no longer has any nerve root impingement, and I am pain free. I am riding a bike about 8 miles every day (at the gym), doing ab crunches, lat pull-downs, curls and fly curls with about 120 pounds, 2 sets of 15, about 15 minutes of vigorous action on the rowing machine set on the maximum difficulty level. I haven't started bench pressing yet. Nothing crazy with the weights because I don't want to hurt my back (those blown discs don't go away) or tear a shoulder, but getting stronger and stronger. I am 56 now and in better condition than when I was 36. My goal is to maintain a weight of about 200 pounds, and I am about 215-220 depending on how much water I am retaining. I now wear an XL T-shirt and have a 36-inch waist. My blood pressure is typically around 126/69 and as that improves I will probably be eliminating the low dosage of medication I take for that in the near future.

Getting old still sucks no matter how you slice it, but I am determined to manage it to the best of my ability so I can enjoy good health as Father Time continues to exact his vengeance on me, LOL.

TL;DR - take care of yourself when you are young and you won't have to work as hard at it when you get older. And, don't do stupid stuff to show off just because you can. You'll regret it later even if it doesn't feel like it hurts when you are young and think that you're invincible.

 

Yeah, definitely, I agree with all that, we think we're invincible when we're young and our bodies bounce back temporarily very quickly, but for sure it stores up problems for the future, I've experienced some of that! You sound like you were very naturally gifted when it comes to strength & weight training given what you were saying about your high school exploits, I've never lifted that much weight. Most I've done was 5 sets of 5 reps at 105kg for bench press, the same reps and sets for deadlift at 135kg and the same for squats at 125kg; Weighted chins with rucksack on my back containing 25kg of weight for 5x5, and the same for weighted dips at 35kg on my back for 5x5. That was the peak I ever got to. I'm not a naturally gifted lifter though, I'm slight build but athletic is probably my best self description, tennis & football (soccer) was my thing when I was growing up, so more of a sportsman than a lifter. Yes, we should all listen to our bodies, even when we're young - so you youngsters out there don't push yourself for quick gains, go slow and focus on form (you probably don't have to train to absolute failure all the time for instance) and gains over the years rather than trying to look good in time just for the summer!

 

Btw guys, I just noticed that SL started offering the 9900KF. Curious to see if it is indeed binned better than the 9900K. And if that is the case, by how much.

So far it looks like the KF SKU reaches the same clock bins at identical pricing as the 9900K... but might just be preliminary data.

 

Hi, I got some more bad news today. My older sister who lives in Texas was diagnosed with colon cancer. Could you and the rest of the guys lift her up in prayer please? Her name is Patty. She was the 1st one in my family to know the Lord. My son is doing really well Praise God. He has no heart problems and the blood clots are almost gone. Answers to prayer. Love you Bro.

 

Your mention of 36 triggered me, that's how old I am now.

If you can work past all those potential excuses and turn your health around in less than 2 years, I can go back and get the gojukai black belt I was only months away from before our son made his entrance, moved house, and our business turned to crap all at the same time.

I have been the same weight within a couple kg for the past 15 years no matter how much training or eating I do (though I'm no weakling I have felt a loss in core and leg strength), I haven't needed as much as a headache pill in years, not even any supplements recently... I just have no excuses.

Best of luck to your sister. I did some research in colon cancer many years ago, let it be just the one growth, and that it was caught early.

 

The GPU is still on track for delivery by end of day tomorrow.

 

Yes, temperatures make a huge difference with core clock holding or dropping. Here is my best Super Position run on chilled water. Note that max core temperature was 28°C.

https://benchmark.unigine.com/results/rid_a8ec2064cb7b4091bb391c1f249256aa

 

I put down 10,500 and change at 60C with my AIO FTW3. Of course I can’t submit it because I refuse to pay $20 just for the privilege of submitting my score. I think with your hydro blocked after chilled FTW3 and Sammy chips you will be breaking 11.5K.

 

I certainly hope so. If not, I have the parts needed to shunt mod it and try again.

 

Very nice...I've been curious myself... I wouldn't mind having the KF alone due to it not having the useless igpu LOL. But then again... I wonder if the KF just comes from the same waffer with the iGPU disabled with it still physically being on there? Hmmm... Curious now...

Absolutely Brother. We'll be praying for her... there's nothing that the good Lord can't handle.

Very exciting! Looking forward to it!

Ah I should give SP a whirl... nice results guys...

As soon as the KP goes in I'll shunt mod this 2080Ti as well....it's one of those why not things eh?

 

Yeah, there's really no reason not to do it. It's so easy and so effective.

In case anyone else wants to do it, remember my trial and error to avoid the inconvenience. Only apply the shunt mod to RS18 and RS19. If you shunt RS16 (PCIe resistor) the GPU will be stuck in emergency mode. Also, use only the 0.008 ohm resistors, as the 0.005 ohm resistors also causes the GPU to be stuck in emergency mode. Below are the Panasonic and Digi-Key part numbers.

Spoiler: 2080 Ti Shunt Mod Photos

 

Very awesome and thanks for the confirmation.

 

Well, it's here. @Rage Set, thanks bro... awesome... like new condition. Thank you.

Will test first with the stock hybrid cooler, install the Hydro Copper, and report with the comparison of thermal results, and how they affect clock speeds, etc.

 

Thanks! I try to keep all of my components in great condition.

Truly enjoy it brother Fox.

 

The day has come! Now time to pump out those Graphic scores. Congrats!...

Super awesome...likewise...

 

I knew that about you and fully expected it, but it did not even show any evidence of use, LOL. Sweet.

 

Now I am curious how high the board will go .. I had 2 and both hit about 2130-2135, cool thing was that “average” was 2050-2070

Looking forward for your achievements, with power limit/without ... with stock bios with XOC

 

These are going onto my test bench (Z390 Dark). I got them for the hand picked binned B-Dies that G.Skill are using in their upper Tridentz line of RAM and the Royal line are top tier (ram chips wise) ... Plus with Samsung decreasing their B-Die production, now's the time to stock up. BTW did the 10% tariff go up to 25%? What a pity as we the consumers will be hit with that since most of our tech toys come from overseas. So something that costs $40 will go up to $50ish or so... I hope it doesn't scale that much though.

A touch with the solder iron should melt those right off eh lol... It shouldn't mess with the voltage in anyway yea? It's a miniscule amount, but perhaps like non-rgb sticks it'll be just one less thing that needs power on the sticks. I probably won't touch them as to preserve the warranty, but just a fun thought to nip them...

4600mhz sticks.

 

Super Position PR: 10720
(9900K/2080Ti FTW3)

 

Fire Strike run @ 53x - Graphics (FTW3) PR: 41636

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19298675

 

4600Mhz sticks, cool! Your RAM is not at 4600Mhz in that benchmark though? Have you used those 4600Mhz sticks yet, how high can you get them running and what timings, does it make a performance difference vs what you had before?

 

speaking of RAM, got all timings dialed in at 3400 mhz, currently tuning voltages. theyre still stable at stock 1.20V vdimm, i love it SA and IO down to 1.15V from the initial 1.25, sticks still stable. lets see if i can go down full stock, that would be pretty sweet for the imc (and would mean still headroom left for higher ram clocks mwahaha)

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Thanks! Yea the RAM wasn't at 4600MHz for any of the runs and the Fire Strike was ran at 5.3GHz with my G.Skill Tridentz 4266MHz sticks in there...... I only got 4600 sticks for the bin and that's it. My board, although among one of the most powerful ones for a Z390 supports up to 4400MHz, which OC'ed could definitely handle 4600 likely, but I still have yet to spend time with them. The Master board for sure can handle 4533 with 4266 sticks which are in there now...

Stock timings for the 4600 sticks aren't too shabby for what they are... CL18's but I plan to run these sticks at the >4266 range with tighter timings...

Nice! Looking forward to where you end up with those sticks... voltages look great....

RAM tuning is so tedious eh... but so rewarding lol...

 

Man, this FTW3 GPU is significantly larger than the XC2. The height seems to be about an inch more.

Going to have to continue testing tomorrow. The KP XOC vBIOS is not working as well as I thought it might on this GPU. I cannot get to 2200 on core without crashing. 2190 seems to be its limit even with the higher voltage using the KP XOC vBIOS, and the 2190 limit is even on chilled water. Probably going to try the shunt mod tomorrow, as I am still seeing power limit flags and voltage limit flags with the KP XOC vBIOS. If that doesn't do the trick, the core on this GPU is not binned as well as the XC2 I sold. Hopefully, the shunt mod will do enough lying to the GPU that I will be able to at least run 2200. Memory definitely overclocks higher, so that will be a huge plus if I can at least hold 2200 without the GPU throw TDR crashes.

I also tried the Aorus Extreme vBIOS and it has power limit flags without the shunt mod, so that is why that vBIOS worked extremely well with the XC2.

Using the KP XOC vBIOS with the hybrid cooler was hitting 75°C, so I installed the Hydro Copper and that brought it down to 50°C (without chilled water).

These Time Spy runs are stock comparisons. You can see how well the shunt mod worked on the XC2 (score on the far right) compared to the FTW3 with the stock vBIOS (score in the middle). The XC2 using the stock vBIOS with the shunt mod was almost as good as the FTW3 using the KP XOC vBIOS. So, crossing my fingers and hoping the shunt mod does as much or more for the FTW3 core overclock.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/7149203/spy/7146195/spy/7105879

 

Cool, if I remember rightly your RAM doesn't respond well to increased voltage and that's why you're only running 1.20V? May as well run them at your max stable voltage as long as it provides the most stability and allowance for higher RAM clocks....my RAM doesn't respond positively above 1.4V for instance.

Keep us tuned, show us before & afters so we can see where you've been and where you ended up!

That's the thing isn't it, when you're buying basically the same model of GPU, a lot of it comes down to the silicon lottery as to whether you get more or whether you get less performance. Hopefully the VRAM overclocks will make up for the weaker core and at least give you the same scores that you had before.

 

Guys, It's a bit off topic here, but I'm gonna make my first custom watercooled loop in a few days, any advices?

 

i tried up to 1.40V vdimm and the sticks were still fine what i do is the following:

1) set vdimm to 1.35V, SA and IO both at 1.25V
2) consult my RAM timings calculator to set "safe" timings to reach the next clock strap (i.e. going from 3300 to 3400 mhz)
3) boot and check stability with tm5
4) if no errors pop up, i tighten all primary, secondary and tertiary timings one by one, testing with tm5
5) once all timings are tightened up, i go back to the voltages and lower them again until i hit errors / no boot or im back down to stock voltages (thats where im at right now)
6) run benchmarks, compare performance
7) rinse and repeat

so as u can see i start up with high voltages and loosened timings to give higher clocks the best possible chance of suceeding. hardest part always being to get a proper boot without errors. from that point on its just elbow grease to tighten the timings

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Nice to see you jump on the watercooling train!

The advice I can think of:

1) Build it in a roomy case and avoid hard tubing for your first time.
2) Make sure to incorporate a feasible way to drain your loop.
3) If you plan to swap components on a regular basis, add quick disconnects.
4) Check every individual fitting for missing o-rings prior to installation.
5) Make sure your coolant of choice has been tested with your tubes, radiators and waterblocks.
6) Mount the pump as low as possible, and if it's not a D5 variant, consider adding a heatsink to it.
7) Take your time to bleed your loop for air. This is important for low noise and optimal performance. You may have to pick up your case and rotate it to get air out of your top rad, especially if you have a small reservoir.
8) Make sure to think of how you will get pump and fun curves to your liking. On Asus motherboards, you often won't be able to change the W_PUMP and CPU_FAN + CPU_OPT headers to respond to anything other than CPU temperature, leading to erratic spin ups. If you avoid those headers and add a water temperature probe, possibly also an external controller fan/pump controller depending on your needs, you can get the pump speed and fans to respond to the coolant temperature instead.

 

Pretty much. Clock is always king is as true today as it ever has been. Seems like it might end up a wash, but won't know until the shunt mod is done. It is unfortunate NVIDIA sucks to the extent they do and still walk away with the crown. I am really starting to hate them to death. Their firmware is pure feces on a stick. Calling it cancer might be too kind, and the mediocrity of the only alternative is an abomination.

 

Heatsink on a D5? No need. They are cooled by the water. DDC will need one.

 

Is it that much worse? I feel bad now.

 

I don't know yet. Exorcism isn't finished. Don't feel bad. It was my decision and worst case scenario it will be a wash. The shunt mod is powerful magic. The memory overclock is much better.

 

Thank you! I'm going for soft tube and all pieces made by EKWB, case will be Phanteks Evolv X, hope rom enough for two rads =).

 

Yes, I intended for the sentence to read: consider adding a heatsink if the pump is not a D5 model, keeping the DDCs in mind. I know the D5 doesn't require external cooling, but good of you to point that out since the intended meaning probably didn't come across clearly. By the way, I've only water-cooled my current build. Others who are more experienced should feel free to chime in with pointers.

All right, if all the components and coolant come from EKWB, you're good to go! The Evolv X is going to be a bit cramped for a dual radiator build, but it is doable. Have you looked for other water-cooled builds in that case to get an idea of what it will look like? Here's an unfinished example:
https://imgur.com/gallery/9CAjewu

 

This one is pretty much how I want it to get: https://pcpartpicker.com/b/QQ9J7P but soft tubing, of course since I'm a noob XD.

 

I own a lot of EKWB and I'm staying far away from them as of lately. I have RMA'ed about 9 of their fans, and two of their DDC pumps. No complaints about their radiators. However, my last recent major open loop only has their CPU block and quick disconnects.