*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Same cores, stock speeds, AMD is king. Only when overclocking is introduced does Intel rise above. Which is where the fun is

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_3950x_review,9.html

 

Thank you. You're spot on. That is why overclockers that love overclocking and find great satisfaction in that aren't ready to jump on them. Brand doesn't really matter unless you're on a paid sponsorship. When the playing field is leveled and everyone has more or less the same cookie-cutter experience, the sport dies and so does the passion of those that enjoyed participating. Nobody that currently likes Intel CPUs and enjoys overclocking would continue to like Intel if they didn't overclock well, so it's kind of silly to pretend to like that situation using a different brand that doesn't overclock well. If I could push an AMD CPU to a similar 70-80% overclock and put that much difference between myself and my peers with the same product using the same techniques I am currently using, I'd probably already own one. Heck, I'd probably even go for 50%. But, struggling and enduring great toil to squeeze another 10% out of it is pretty discouraging if you enjoy overclocking. If you don't care, then it doesn't matter.

 

I have all this watercooling crap in my Ryzen system that I really shouldnt have spent money on. If I worked super hard, and countless hours, I could probably muster 200mhz more to be able to bench somewhat stable. When in reality I should have just stuck with the stock cooler and enjoyed the system as it was stock. Ryzen becomes too unstable with voltage. Which is why the system just sits in the office collecting dust. I dont have fun with it. Its pretty to look at, and do some image editing, but the fact that it doesnt give me any headroom for overclocking, removes the joy from it.
Back in the day, if you spent money on a custom loop, you were guaranteed some serious overclocks. AMD took that away

 

Depends on how you look at it And you're correct when we put in OC for same amount cores.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i9_9900ks_processor_review,24.html

 

Yes, relative to core count of course. For AVX512-enabled software, the 9-series HEDT chips were blowing the doors off AMD chips with anywhere close to as many cores. Everything else, the 3950x and even 3900x were beating the 9980XE most of the time.

 

Averaged relative performance values in percentages are always a bit dangerous to include, as the accumulation of numbers can have a more positive or negative effect on many variables, like the number of cores an application supports, and some software simply likes faster clocks and fewer threads or is favoring a certain microarchitecture. The averaged out numbers on this page are thus serving as a relative matched index. While not precise (as software differs), it does show an index of what to reasonably expect for your real-world experience relative to the performance.

Im just super happy to even have this debate though. 4 years ago we couldnt

 

Yeah, it's pretty amazing a brand new arch can be on par with Intel's old from 2015. It's what we call progress when we in next month will pass over on 2020

 

I colour calibrated all my PC's with Spyder4Pro since 2013 - definitely worth doing! I also used the same Spyder4Pro to calibrate my TV, but I had to download free open source software (HCFR - https://www.homecinema-fr.com/colorimetre-hcfr/hcfr-colormeter/) to change the "way it works" so that I could calibrate my TV - hell of a difference, excellent result, definitely worth doing.

 

I hear you. Reason I recommend the i1 display pro (also called i1D3) is because it is way faster at reading compared to the Spyder4 and the newer SpyderX. The OEM variant also has a higher range for accuracy, up to 2000 nits.

Recently a contributor created a version of HCFR that works with the SpyderX, though (ArgyllCMS driver thing).

I thought that was good until I created a CCSS (a color correction spectral sample) to correct the colorimeter. Night and day difference. It wasn't as revolutionary as calibrating with a colorimeter, but the results were evolutionary. The grayscale tracked way better, white was more perfect, and just little things on everything else.

There is also the i1 studio or whatever (this used to be the colormunki photo/studio) which is a spectrophotometer, but with a plastic lens instead of glass, which can drift overtime, similar to what is found in a Spyder.

But the spectro corrects the errors in the colorimeter (4 points - RGBW) through a matrix. But you use a colorimeter because it is more accurate at deep blacks. And NIST found in their tests that the 4-point correction is so accurate that this has been the industry standard for awhile.

Thought you might enjoy learning about that.

 

Not bad vs Devils Canyon And the 2013 model from Alienware is still alive vs newer and modern from same company. Newer doesn't always mean better!

https://hwbot.org/submission/4284821_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_4930mx_880_cb




https://hwbot.org/submission/4290096_papusan_cinebench___r20_core_i7_4930mx_2011_marks

 

More evidence of the death of overclocking:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cg0f0z/addressing_some_concernsquestions_before_we/
This is Silicon Lottery addressing the market and commenting on boost algos and that AMD (and Intel to a degree) has spelled the end to their business model.

"AMD has done a fantastic job here overall, and we're very aware this is the start to the end of our company in general. As both AMD and Intel optimize their binning process more and more, overclocking will not be possible as CPUs will boost themselves on their own to the highest clocks possible."

So anyone not seeing the writing on the wall is being purposely obtuse. Further, it was very interesting seeing GamersNexus award video this morning. For most fun to overclock, on air and water, they gave the award to Intel's 9900K. For LN2, they gave it to the 3950X as the funnest, commenting Intel was just plain jane for LN2 (forgot the exact wording, but it is representative of the statement). Start at 10:05


Just wanted to give more perspective. It is really interesting AMD is making inroads, like for LN2 fun for overclocking, where they previously would never have been considered (side note - there are a couple new world records with the 3970X running at 5.1-5.2GHz, which is worth noting as that is 32-cores running that frequency, while the 3175 was seen benching for its top scores around the 5.5-5.9GHz range). But due to IPC changes, etc., AMD's TR series is winning records (even if 4 more cores, which is 14% more cores and threads than Intel's offerings while Intel is running 10-18% faster on frequency, but also at an IPC deficit compared to the new AMD offerings, which shifts the performance back to AMD).

So, as I kind of hinted at, unless moving up to extreme/exotic cooling methods (chilled water to cascade and LN2 setups), everyday overclocking is slowly going to die as boost algos are adopted. Good for everyday users, crappy for enthusiast hobbyists. Like with the military, move up or move out, unfortunately.

 

VRMark Advanced Edition $19.99 $2.99 offer ends December 3

3DMark Advanced Edition $29.99 $4.49 offer ends December 3

3DMark 11 Advanced Edition $19.99 $1.99 offer ends December 3

 

This is probably a longgggg shot but anyone have any of the following CPUs willing to sell for decent price?

Intel Core i7 6950X [highest priority]

Intel Core i7 6900K

Intel Core i7 5960X

Intel Xeon E5-26XX v4 series (QS is fine as well, looking for 12C+ models only)

Thinking of adding the Radeon VII into my server and extra RAM and turn it into a full on gaming capable beast in addition to the server LOL

 

It wasnt that long ago that a custom water loop was considered to be an extreme/exotic cooling method. Even today, I get people saying, "you have water inside your computer?"
As with everything with PC tech, or any tech for that matter, they remove the "free" stuff. Everything from modding a PSP/ playstation/xbox, Android/Apple phones, flashing bioses on GPU's, overclocking...etc. Squeezing out every drop of revenue. After all, the 1/32 of 1% of consumers doing such things constitutes such a negative impact on their bottom line.

 

Wow, those are great prices. I already own all of them, but they would make nice gifts for those that do not. The best one of the bunch (3DMark 11) is the lowest price.

 

Happy Thanksgiving Y'all!

Radeon VII installed. I am shocked AMD drivers purposely don't allow you to install on Server 2019.

Even nVidia cards allow this. Might need to sell the VII & GTX 980 to fund a 2080Ti or something.

Inf installed but no control panel.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/21066953/fs/20640758/fs/20640880/fs/21066998

Works well.

I ordered 2x8GB RAM (3200Mhz) for 59.99 on NewEgg (I currently have 2666Mhz so I am hoping they play nicely at 2666 Quad-Channel)

Also bought a 8TB Western Digitial Red (149.99 NewEgg).

I'll OC to 5820k next. Can't find that 6950X for decent price. They're like the same price as 10 series HEDT lol

This is why I left desktop market....laptops can only go up to high (~4000 for a 9900k/2080) but desktops...I'm already looking at all these upgrades available for my X99 lol

I don't like having a desktop weaker than my laptop

 

Why would you run a high end card on a server OS anyway? Just curious.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

 

I plan on using it as a gaming system as well. Right now it will purpose as a 8TB NAS for the whole house.

With a powerful GPU it can be used to game on and also allow other computers to game using it through things like steam streaming.

My nVidia cards worked fine on server OS. I actually have changed many settings to make it into workstation level OS.

I'm debating on going Windows 10 Pro but idk if I can do everything I want with that OS.

Here's the video on what I've done for this:

 

4Ghz, crashed right when I tried uploading this LOL

I'm surprised how much of a difference there is between this and my 9900K. Guess that frequency really makes a gap.

Wonder if a 8 or 10-core with quad channel will even be able to keep up.

 

Just grab an E5 1660 V3 on ebay for around $170 best offer if you want to hang onto the X99 platform. I grabbed one off eBay a few weeks back and it's an absolute monster for the the $$$. It overclocked to max 4.7Ghz, and I run daily 4.5Ghz on it for a family member.
It scored 4100 CB20~ at 4.5Ghz. Running Quad channel 2666Mhz CL12. Honestly it made me question ever leaving my X99 setup, but these chips were hella expensive at that time. The chip was originally $1080 retail price. The E5 1660 V3 is exactly the same chip as the 5960X except it supports ECC memory as well and has a few extra Xeon features. Other than that the Xeon name is just a badge instead of "i7".

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon...:6v4AAOSw~9FdsFyR:sc:USPSPriority!60190!US!-1

On sale right now for $171.

 

Project for someone?

 

Is that a unlocked chip? Do you know if there's a 10-core version as well? Maybe a v4 broadwell chip?

I'm more interested in going to 10 cores+

Edit: Looks like v4 is locked. v3 is last unlocked Xeon

Xeon E5-1691 v3 - 14-cores OEM only

Xeon E5-1686 v3 - 12-cores OEM only

Xeon E5-1681 v3 - 10-cores OEM only

Can't find those 3 anywhere, wonder if they are unlocked as well

 

Yes it's fully unlocked, like I said it's exactly a 5960X with likely better binning (it's Xeon) and a few additional features. The 1660 and 1680 V3 (slightly higher clock stock) are the only X99 Xeons that are unlocked and highest core count as far as I've found when I did my research.

 

I might go for it. I like Xeon CPUs. I had a 2680 v2 in my Clevo P570WM ran super cool. 68C on load 10-cores in a laptop.

Just waiting on a few others to tell me their 6950x price.

What voltage did you need to achieve 4.5Ghz?

 

4.5Ghz is running 1.23v BIOS and it shows around 1.25v in Windows. The Asrock LLC is set to Level 2 with Level 1 being the highest. I punched it up to 1.35v for a 4.7Ghz CB run to put it in the #1 spot on Hwbot but I wouldn't run anywhere near that daily since as you know Haswell-E needs to be kept at a lower voltage. At 1.23v and 4.5Ghz with my 280mm CLC AIO I was seeing max 60-70C all cores in a Cinebench 20 run. Game and daily temps are much lower. The reseller I linked is the one I used and the chip looked brand new. I figure these were sitting at stock all their life in a server rack so no abuse done. I also got a "J" batch which apparently overclocked better than "L" batch chips.

 

The Xeon 16 80 V3 should be the same CPU as 6950X.

Here is a 16 50 V3 for less than $100 https://www.ebay.com/itm/SR20J-INTE...-6-CORE-LGA-2011-3-CPU-PROCESSOR/274075015557

But, the 1660 V3 that @Talon linked before is the better deal.

 

Perfect I am hoping for 1.25v max @ 4.5Ghz for 24/7.

I'll be purchasing this probably since it's the best deal for performance on X99 so far. Still hopeful for 6950X, I'll give it til tomorrow.

Hi Mr. Fox

the 6950X is a 10-core extreme broadwell-e CPU

The E5-1680 v3 is a 8-core Xeon (haswell-e) with increased stock clocks over 1660 v3

The E5-1660 v3 that Talon linked is a 8-core Xeon (Equivalent of 5960X 8-core extreme haswell-e)

The E5-1650 v3 you linked is a 6-core Xeon (I already have a 6-core 5820k)

I am looking for 10-cores , 8-core minimum with unlocked multi.

 

@Mr. Fox

Looks like they are continuing to update that Quake II RTX features.

 

Bought one of these for the Tongfang turdboook to replace the little 1TB M.2 I am using for game libraries.

https://shopflashsale.net/?s=Intel+660p+2TB+m.2+&post_type=product

Gonna have to grab that. Thanks for the heads up. I heard they were doing that, but hadn't check on the progress.

 

What site is that?? Have you ordered there before?

I bought a 1TB Samsung 60 Evo for $99.99

 

Nope, never heard of it before. I found it Googling for the best price I could find on a 2TB M.2. Seemed sort of iffy, but I've got a tracking number and it already shipped. So, if I get what I ordered I'll be happy. Might even buy another one at that crazy low price. Looks like they have good buys on some other things, too. Lot's of typos in their product listings.

I felt strangely compelled to buy this, but resisted. Crazy cheap price.

https://shopflashsale.net/product/asus-rog-maximus-ix-extreme-eatx-gaming-motherboard-w-intel-z270/



This would be more relevant: https://shopflashsale.net/product/a...e-z390-lga-1151-ddr3-eatx-gaming-motherboard/

Notice the typos, LOL.

@Talon - Quake II RTX with the new patch looks even better. I just downloaded the update and it's just like it showed in the video. Looks great.

 

We're both being daring today. I just bought a projector from a website called Parker Gwen, hope it's legit. Used Paypal to be safe, but I was already charged and got confirmation email so we'll see lol.

 

Anyone have any experience with these and HEDT CPUs? Seems to have good reviews and I need thermal paste

https://www.amazon.com/Innovation-C...e&qid=1575102401&sr=8-14&th=1#customerReviews

 

I have some. Have not bothered trying it on HEDT. Doesn't work well at all with 8700K. There is a thread devoted to that product. I think Linus has a video on it, and there may be others. I would use liquid metal.

 

Well...ended up buying that Xeon E5-1660 v3. 8-Cores should be a nice bump from this 5820k.

Now i just need to OC it so it can keep up as much as possible against my 9900K lol

 

Awesome. Looking forward to seeing your results.

Installing Linux Mint on the Tongfang turdbook today. Should be interesting to see how it works (or doesn't) on an Optimus system. I think I use Bumblebee for that.

Edit: Well... Dang, that was pretty painless. Almost no effort. Seems everything works flawlessly. @Vasudev

 

I think you will be pleased with it's performance once overclocked. Make sure to also overclock the uncore, I think I settled on 35x uncore ratio.

 

These are all three #1 top score/world records for a system with an RTX 2060 Notebook GPU based on my 3DMark submission search. Looks like not many people are bothering with this crappy/buggy piece of trash benchmark.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4292706_
https://hwbot.org/submission/4292713_

https://hwbot.org/submission/4292719_

 

Running as Designed Same as Area-51m @Cass-Olé any answers on this?

How to change RAM mhz speeds in OEM motherboard for the Area-51 R7 Threadripper

I just got a 64gb (4x16gb) RAM kit, the hyperx predator ones. Once installed my system reads them at 64gb but shows 'em running at 2400mhz. I called Alienware and they said 2400mhz was the most it could do.

Is this true? I have been lied to outright by dell before about parts not working.

The first answers was enlightning. And this from an TRIPOD owner.

 

Hey all, I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving.

While browsing some sales, I saw that Quake II was on sale for $1.49 so it was a "eh why not buy," with it being a classic...

Then I saw that there was a Quake II RTX as well that @Talon posted up a page back and wow... talk about taxing the GPU... perhaps the new Furmark in game form? LOL @Mr. Fox @Papusan @Talon @Robbo99999 @JoeT44 @Johnksss @ssj92 @Rage Set

Quake II RTX: 593W

Settings all Maxed out @ 1440p... the 2080Ti never felt so defeated lol.

595 Watts


I figured you guys would like to see this.

 

Nice, I like to see a high GPU power usage figure - makes me think that the software is getting the most out of the hardware!

 

I spent a couple of minutes find out that you had to disable Systeminfo Hardware monitoring for this trashware. But not for the other machine Oh'well, $2.99 ain't the big loss.




https://hwbot.org/submission/4293764_papusan_vrmark___orange_room_geforce_gtx_780m_3261_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4293763_papusan_vrmark___cyan_room_geforce_gtx_780m_468_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4292935_papusan_vrmark___blue_room_geforce_gtx_780m_605_marks

 

My power readings are off because of the shunt mod. It would be interesting to know just how much it is using since the power draw is under-reported. But, it's definitely sucking down some major juice.

And, this game looks truly amazing with ray tracing. It definitely still has some old school looks to it, but it is absolutely crazy what they have done with it. I still love this game after all these years. Totally a blast to play.

 

"When a classic title with RTX actually makes RTX enjoyable lol."

It was so refreshing to play. I'm really curious about your power draw... hmm do you have a kill-a-watt near by?

 

Yes, I do. Maybe this evening I will plug it in and have a look. I used to have it permanently mounted in view, but haven't figured out where to put it since I moved.

If you want to really go nuts, open the console with the tilde key (~), type GOD and hit enter, then GIVE ALL and hit enter. Press ~ to close the console.

This will make you immortal and give you all weapons and full ammo.

 

Not too crazy... give or take 700W from the wall.

 

Finally got my DP to HDMI adapter. Now I have one HDMI going to TV for 4K 60Hz and DP to HDMI to receiver for audio.

 

Looking good, bro.

Quake II RTX totally maxes out the 80W power limit of my 2060. Stays pegged at max pretty much the most of the time. Even subtle things like the red lighted ceiling tile reflects off of the metal on the wall. If you look closely you can see the warm orange glow on the wall to the left in the second photo.

 

After much internal, heated debate, I am going TRX40. I am either going to liquidate my current Zenith Extreme with the 1950X and monoblock to someone that wants it or turn it into another NAS.

 

Nice. I planned on doing a drop in upgrade until the MB news was confirmed. It was going to be the house server/NAS running windows server 2019. But since I couldn't do a drop in upgrade, I bought 8x8tb drives and an HBA (LSI 9207). So that is configured with storage spaces with dual parity now.

Meanwhile, next year is upgrading cell phones (3 phones) and graphics cards (right now using a 980 Ti and have a 1660 for the NAS to use NVENC/NVDEC with Plex, so upgrading those with 7nm GPUs with more power makes sense).

Because of that, I'm waiting for the Zen 4 CPUs or setting if Intel actually pulls a rabbit with 7nm, if they even use it on HEDT chips in 2021. Either way, should be 40-50% IPC jump over the 1950X. But still would have to use two 16-core licenses with a 32-core chip for windows server, so don't know if I'll stick with that or not when I upgrade (or just use one with the 1950X and do win 10 ent as a workstation with Zen 4).

With how much value the AMD CPUs for Zen have lost, it's better to deprecate than liquidate (depending on what you have left in depreciation, depending on characterization). If you build your own, you can often take the tax break in a single year rather than depreciate, but that is a nuanced discussion for another day (subject to business vs personal, etc.).