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    *Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

    Discussion in 'Desktop Hardware' started by Mr. Fox, Nov 5, 2017.

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    I like it. I feel like With the whole cold steel, / icy motif, I feel like Zoolander should be doing adverts for it....
     
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    Thank you. The vertical GPU installation is starting to grow on me a bit.
    It is probably because colder water is entering on the power delivery side instead of exiting on that side.
    It is a really great block. It would be nice to see what one could do if they had a nice CNC machine to create a custom finned backplate to help dissipate the temps on that side of the GPU.
    That looks very nice.
    LOL. Thank you.
    OK, I started tuning a little more and my CBR20 score is nearly the same with all cores at 47x as the score was with all at 50x. I am not sure if I should be happy about that or not, but the results are impressive. This is without the chiller running. I hate the c-states allowing the cores to downclock when there is no load. I'm going to have to turn that off in the BIOS again. It does lower idle temps about 5°C, but load temps are the same either way. I don't need the lower idle temps.
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    With the way the DTR market has been shrinking with even Dell and MSI throwing in the towel and Clevo only offering one DTR the last two cycles, the writing is on the wall. It is a dying breed. I will end up picking up a barebones X170KM (or SM if 11th gen is eventually enabled) with GPU only
    and that will be my last hurrah and then it is "Turdbooks" (as @Mr. Fox so eloquently puts it) with low to no high cost value for me till eventually even they catch up and completely surpassed a tweaked X170KM for performance and cost down the road.
     
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    There will be no BGA craptops for me. I don't allow that crap in my sanctuary. I'm completely exiting the laptop market if true DTRs become extinct. My X170SM-G (still waiting on it) is the first laptop I've ever had with a desktop CPU in it, and it's super awesome. I was hoping such devices would continue existing. Oh well.

    On the bright side, it forces me to finally start my custom laptop project. Human ingenuity can achieve amazing things. :D

    If any of you want to do something similar, you can draw inspiration from this thread: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1030194-the-diy-laptop-proof-of-concept/

    Scroll down to the last post and you'll find 3 pictures of a chassis someone made to fit desktop parts into, and it looks exactly like a super beefy laptop. This is what I'm using as a reference.
     
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    It’s a lot of fun. I had a Sager/Clevo P751TM1-G I purchased it used for around like $1,100 bucks on ebay in 2019.

    It was a Z370 board with 8086K limited edition. The owner said it was a 5.3Ghz Silicon Lottery cpu, and it was delidded. It also had a GTX1080 MXM 8GB. And I had 32GB of pretty cheap DDR4 in the machine with a run of the mill NVME.

    ^ Serious machine for 2019!

    I found out to my surprise the CPU was not delidded at all. But the 8086K was certainly very very good! So I ended up delidding it myself, I leveled and lapped the heatsink as good as I could. I K5 Pro’d everything as good as I could and used Gelid Extreme thermal pads every where possible lol. I had the 8086K at 5Ghz all cores and it somehow managed to stay below 95C through RealBench 2.56 ‘No AVX2 offsets’
    It was difficult to achieve. I flashed the GTX1080 to 255 watt TGP with a skypro and soic 8 clip. Everything was liquid metal TIM. Foam dammed, and Kapton taped everywhere around the dies. It wasn’t the prettiest under the bottom cover. But that thing hauled ass for a 15” laptop.

    I had so much fun with the machine. It was my first DTR laptop. I really loved it. I had this thing apart every few days chasing lower temps.

    When I get a laptop, I try to make it something they’re not.

    I feel like laptop manufacturers need to create a thin water cooled AIO laptop. It could be the crappiest water cooling ever, and it would still work good. I imagine they could make half of the bottom chassis a radiator and it could be a very slim and large radiator, and the other half of the chassis the main board with components. I dunno why they haven’t done this yet.
     
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    Well at the very least something that has potential for water cooling. It would never happen as a default option, could only be an optional on top expense to weed out the faint of heart.

    My p750zm has had a very unnatural journey. Bought it for 500 nib from eBay. I believe it was overstock that never sold. Contacted another forum member and tried to make it a primo 4th Gen laptop, 3 dead boards later we just went for a p750dm-g board and installed what you see in the sig.

    I still have my 4980hq, so every other week or so I scan a bit for a p157sma as I still want to push that chip and pair it with a p5200 or something. Something of a back burner project to keep those creative juices flowing from time to time :)
     
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    I'm thinking that if we want to improve cooling in laptops, using massive unified vapor chamber heatsinks would be the way to go. The AIO idea does sound good though.
     
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    https://hwbot.org/submission/4795302_
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    https://hwbot.org/submission/4795327
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    https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame...core+performance+preset/version+1.0.132/1+gpu
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    Interesting observation, although it is 100% expected and comes as no surprise... With Windows 10 (even LTSC) I cannot match my highest record on 3DMark 11 using the 10900K. The 10900K beats the 5950X if the 10900K is run on Windows 7 and the 5950X is run on Windows 10. Windows 10 is a performance-imparing operating system. But, we already knew that. It's just interesting that the additional 6 cores/12 threads is not enough to beat the 10900K if you're running the wrong OS.
     
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    Great scores bro. It could be the updated Windows Scheduler in Win10.
     
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    Lovely numbers. I have to smile to all those that hoped for cooler running gaming laptops because the change to sub 10nm nodes. Keep it cooler in thinner design means more crippled than ever. Yep, single core performance has been in the wind lately. Or peak burst performance before clocks drop to stop overheating. Nice.
     
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    It seems I contracted a complimentary case of COVID-19 on my trip to Chicago. I have felt super-lousy since Thursday night, but it hasn't required hospitalization. Friday was the worst day so far. Each day seems a little less miserable, so I am looking forward to tomorrow.
     
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    Glad you are feeling better. At least you didn’t get shot while there. Speedy recovery!
     
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    Doesnt need to be said, as Im sure you have done your own research, but a number of people were feeling better to suddenly take a turn for the worse. I hadnt heard anything recently as all the focus has shifted to the drama of it all unfortunately.

    Stay diligent my friend, I hope you have a swift recovery!
     
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    Speedy recovery bro. Just make sure to shut it down and let it fully run its course. I had covid last year after traveling up and down the east coast and it knocked me out of commission for 5 weeks including a few weeks of compromised breathing. I thought at first I was getting better but then after a week it decided my lungs looked tasty and took up residence and I got to partake in the, "Now you feel like you're breathing normally....and now you're not." No raspy, no production. You simply can't inhale any further. As long as it doesn't move into your lungs, it should just be a miserable trip down the ThisSucks river.

    As a precaution, see if the doc wants to put you on steroids and give you an inhaler. I ended up on steroids, inhaler and a nebulizer along with doing breathing exercises daily to keep my lungs as expanded as much as possible.
     
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    I had been been mulling selling my KPE 3090 so I switched to an Aorus RTX Master 3070 (pictured in the white build I posted earlier) and after a day or two switched right back. Card is a beast for a 3070, but I didn't realize just how used to the silky smooth 60fps+ performance I was used to with the 3090 till I hit some major chunk in numerous spots where I was just zoned in on consistent smooth game play on the 3090.

    You don't realize how good the gameplay is till you try to sensibly downgrade.

    FYI: I hugged my KPE 3090 before reinstalling it (No joke :p). I also moved the rad up top and installed 3x 140mm in the front. Idle GPU temps went up a hair but all the other temps (especially memory) dropped nicely since the front mount was aesthetically pleasing to me but was pumping in some seriously warm air while gaming.
     
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    I had to re-read this as the first time I thought, "why would he get vaccinated while there?" :rolleyes: o_O
     
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    Get well soon! I hope you have a speedy recovery!
     
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    Thanks everyone. I'm at the age group I need to be very careful not be a macho dumb-dumb. It is in my lungs already, making breathing more challenging, so I am monitoring that closely. I think the suggestion about steroids is a good one. My doctor's office has been closed since I visited on Friday and they ran the test. I had access to my lab results online outside of their business hours, so I'll find out tomorrow what the next step is going to be. I appreciate all of you guys and your kind words.
     
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    With you keeping yourself in shape, I know you will have a full recovery. Keeping you and your family in my prayers. If you need anything bro, let me know.
     
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    Hope you get better soon friend!
     
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    And many, many, many more tomorrows brother.
    I trust you wil win this fight bro! Our toughts an prayer with you.
     
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    Hey, you can remove the back plate of your hybrid and cover the entire back in a big blue squishy 2mm thermal pad (No need for fancy pads either) just some soft squishy 6w-8w thermal pads. And you’ll drop temps enormously on the GPU, memory, GPU2 temps, vrm’s, memory hot spot etc.. This guy on the evga forums went wild with it. He used straight full coverage back side thermal pad. It removes so much heat from the card too because, the AIO pushes about 85% of its ability strictly for watercooling the die.

    Anyways, the reduction is massive, and lowers all of the temps!!

    Evga doesn’t mind if you go hog wild with thermal Pads either.
     
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    AMD cards are really starting to show up in stock and eBay pricing is trending down nicely. We've reached a break point between what buyers will pay and the "new" MSRPs. I expect pricing to continue to trend down with Nvidia slowly catching up with the trend as gamers snatch up LHR cards
    and mining starts to loose its full tilt/price is no object luster.

    On eBay, 6800xt pricing is heading into the land of of 3070 pricing atm.
     
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    I actually thought prices were coming down until I saw its the 6800 XT, ah well one can dream

    The whole LHR being bought by gamers im not really behind yet. All LHR does is half the rate for Ethereum. It does nothing for the coins that everyone is looking to get ahead on, ERGO and Raven, right as many are debating moving on from Ethereum (though I confess I dont know why).
     
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    Liquid Devil 6900XT is $1,699 now.


    https://www.ekwb.com/shop/powercolo...ercolor-liquid-devil-6900&utm_term=2021-08-03
     
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    I remember following these prices constantly everyday, wanting to get something new, but I always felt like I was being cheated..

    Especially with how a lot of people are fortunate to have found a 3080Ti for $1,200 to $1,700 bucks. I almost purchased one of them my self. But then, I’d think about the 3090FE for only $1,500. And I would just feel like these retailers are laughing at me. It’s just not fair.

    The unicorn $1,499 RTX3090 FE was always the thought that ruined the idea of buying a new GPU me lol. Even if I couldn’t find one. It still existed lol.

    So I’ll say this, I feel blessed with what I managed to get.

    Unfortunately, now these companies know just what we’ll pay for something really cool.
     
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    Yep, here is some fantastic solutions on the problem. But with the time this will punch the California Pc users. And what other U.S states will follow same paths?

    8 ways to keep California from banning your desktop PC

    California power regulations don't touch DIY PCs, but there's no guarantee they won't.

    1. Buy a PSU with a watt meter in it
    2. Buy a watt meter
    3. Use the Balanced Profile in Windows
    4. Support the ATX12VO power supply spec (Yep, Intel is the advocate/main driver for this new standard). But why push out more power hungry Intel processors forwards if this really is needed as Intel proclaim? Will this help Intel to sleep better in the nights when they are forced to increase TDP to be able to compete?o_O They have even been the main deliverer of old outdated tech as performance vs power the last half decade. Yep, the 14nm++++++++++++++
    Intel Alder Lake ATX12V Peak Current Recommendation is Allegedly Higher Compared to Rocket Lake
    5. Buy a more efficient power supply
    6. Maybe buy new hardware?
    7. Buy more efficient CPUs and GPUs (But Nvidia, AMD and Intel goes the opposite way with their new tech). Maybe all should buy the new thin Applebooks?
    8. Turn into your parents

    Bro @Mr. Fox Hope you get a fast recovery. The next 1-2 week is important. Don't hesitate visit the Hospital if needed the coming days. And take care.


     
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    Could always take a lot of L-Ascorbic acid + D3. They're usually included in drugs for colds.
     
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    Ok my (3) 360mm radiators are just wayyy past their ability right now. Especially during the summer time. My fans on push only work so well, that going push/pull doesn’t even help or change the temps. Plus my radiators are all only between 20-28mm thick.

    I am going to finally add a external radiator. And another D5 pump. Anyone know how well a Alphacool XT45 1,080MM would perform? These hold (9) 120mm fans on each side for (18) total. Not a round tube core like the really good German Mora3 external radiators. But this thing is only about 1/3rd the price though.

    I don’t want to spend too much. And I can get one of these 1080mm rads for really really cheap, just to kinda test out using external

    I would be double my cooling surface area. And this radiator is 62%-125% thicker than my current radiators.

    I’d love to see a solid improvement without spending a fortune. I’m really curious to try external watercooling too. This 3090 Kingpin HC and 7980XE are just very power hungry components.


    Anyone using one of these? At only $115 dollars, I’m really excited to see what happens. I will possibly mount it on the side panel


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    Not exactly. The refresh is 15% better performance using the 3d attacked cache to go against alder lake. Intel doesn't have much going on, whereas zen4 is another 20% or so over that 15%. That means, if AMD were pressed, they could possibly pull things in like Intel used to do.

    But 2023 is the real question on competition again. And that is if the rumors of Intel using TSMC 3nm is true. If not, or if just for their GPUs, then it might be later than even that.

    In HEDT, Intel doesn't even have anything to go against TR. Think about that, AMD, before TR, never played in HEDT. Now, Intel isn't even there.
     
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    The DDR5 statement may not be true, although the divisor is going to be there moving forward (Intel even has a version of that).

    With DDR5, you have to change the memory controller to deal with double the bandwidth while latency numbers mean different real ns values to a degree, just like all prior jumps.

    That means the speed of memory could go up before the divisor is applied when they move to DDR5 with Zen 4, which is a year after Intel's adoption.
     
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    Yeah, you are getting at the points where it hopes off package to pullfrom cache of another chiplet or when the branch predictor guessed wrong and you get that slight delay. Nature of the beast until they 3D stack onto an active interposer (think Intel's HEDT chips where there was a grid in the 9980x had that dumb routing (not hitting on Intel, I mean simplistic typology without active routing in the interposer itself)), but instead being able to put cache in it with TSV, the I/O chip components, etc., while having the cores sit above it. Around that time, we'll also see potential integration of ram on server chips. Amazing they are still not out with those products yet, but are definitely on a roll.

    And i agree, it took a long while to figure out the clunky way of overclocking. AMD took a server product and scales it to consumers, not the other way around like monolithic does and to get yields straight for producing large chips. Although the tech is cool, it wasn't originally designed for end consumers, although the zen3 chips are much more thought out for consumers than Zen 1 was. Just think of this as overclocking Intel in the early to mid 2000s.
     
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    Look what came in the mail today.

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    What will make or break Intel actually plays with Microsoft and their crap scheduler. When AMD needed an advanced scheduler, Microsoft said kick rocks. That is where they standardized latency and introduced the i/o die to work around MS incompetence. So you really think Intel betting on Microsoft doing a good big.little scheduler is a good play? Or forcing to update to windows 11 to get that scheduler?

    Amd already is rumored to be working on the big.little cores for themselves. Power saving feature to compete against arm and apple, especially if Nvidia is able to buy arm. So those small cores aren't going away. That means hyping for really parallelized workloads, because that is the new way things are going. Sorry to break the news.

    Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it regarding Intel and HEDT. Ice lake is all they have, and majority of that silicon is selling in the server space.

    I don't think that will compete since AMD still is readying a Zen 3 TR offering. Remember, TR Pro is zen 2. So Intel putting up 10nm icelake hedt vs zen 3 TR, I'm not seeing it. But I could be wrong.

    Simply put, gear 2 can add some latency, but allow tighter timings. The way it is implemented, sometimes gear 1 or 2 with gear down works out better. To be honest, I worked with Samsung b-die and stuck to gear 1. All you should do is try to get right, stable timings. If gear down stabilizes an otherwise decent memory overclock on the edge of stability, use it (although you may need to tighten more after selecting it).

    More likely the bloated overhead of the OS and their Spyware.

    The schedule isn't really updated until windows 11, the true largest change to the scheduler. Remember, this scheduler has the same Numa limitations introduced to deal with Intel's fake dual core chips glued together long ago.

    I had it at the start of all this last year. Took a trip to emergent care for antibiotics (prophylactic against secondary infection) and prednisone, then a couple hours in the ER the next day for saline, a breathing treatment (in asthmatic), and an IV steroid. After that, was better quickly. Overall sick for about 10 days. Haven't been sick since. I'll stick with my natural immunity.

    Sounds like asthma. I already had a nebulizer at home and inhalers out the butt (including a corticosteroid). So with me, all they can do is solmeterol and steroids. Glad you got better.
     
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    electrosoft Perpetualist Matrixist

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    I monitored my back memory temps for my day to day usage (IE WoW and a few other games) back in February after seeing everyone freaking out over 100+ temps (*cough* miners *cough*), and my temps were well within spec and then some. I never mined or pushed my memory too hard.

    For me, it was just during the whole trying the Aorus card fun times feeling the sheer amount of heat that 3090 was jettisoning into my case via the AIO hence why I moved it on up to the east side. I'll be breaking it down all over again to install this Arctic 420. I'll end up going push/pull on the 420 and 360 while i'm in there. The substantial drop in temps...well....everywhere in the case is worth the tradeoff of a few more degrees @ idle and under load for the 3090.

    Right now, I have 3x 140mm intakes in the front and the KPE 3090 AIO up top exhaust and the 360mm AIO CPU exhausting out the back. I plan on putting 2-3x 120mm on the bottom for a bit better equilibrium.
     
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    electrosoft Perpetualist Matrixist

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    Well hello there..............
     
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    I have asthma ironically. I've had it since I was a kid, but this was nothing like it. Well, maybe the frequent trips I took to the ER as a kid when my attacks got so bad my albuterol inhalers and daily Theophylline couldn't stop it....those were crappy times sweating like a stuck pig fighting for snippets of breath while my mom floored it to the ER for direct shots and breathing treatments.....ugh. Luckily, I outgrew most of it when ye ole puberty hit but it rears its ugly head from time to time especially around horses and cats (damn dander).

    Glad you were able to persevere too man.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Yeah, I never outgrew it. But I remember being on that as well. Talk about speed. I only slept an hour a night while on it at the age of 4. I've been through so many inhalers, corticosteroids, etc. I finally have a working mix. Advair discus never worked for me, dulara didn't work. Now I'm on Spiriva Respimat and Symbicort, along with Montelukast (generic singulair) and an over the counter citerizine (Zyrtec). I also take weekly allergy injections (about 3.5 years into that, and I still get tired on shot days, but I don't react near as much or as bad to anything as I used to). So my albuterol inhaler now lasts about 2-4 months, depending on the season of the year.

    Asthma is no joke. Meanwhile my dad wound up catching it after I did and got ground glass opacity from cov. He has another appointment with his pulmonologist next month. Fun stuff.




    And sorry for the multiple posts earlier. Was catching up on my phone.

    I do find it funny Mr. Fox is now on AMD and I'm on Intel. Talk about funny! So hell has frozen over, must mean the army of the damned is about to take over the earth. LOL.

    I've been learning how to properly design a speaker in all this time and am now looking at using an arduino based ARM M7 to pair possibly with the ADAU1701 DSP from Analog, which uses sigmastudio to reprogram the firmware. The reason for the Teensy 4.1 would be the legwork on getting the code exported from sigmastudio over to use on the arduino code has already been done. But I'm also looking into other developer boards that can perform a FIR filter on the speakers while keeping phase alignment of the signals, which the Teensy 4.1 should be able to do (supporting a FIR filter with up to 20,000 coefficients whereas the design I made in sigmastudios for the ADAU1701 DSP can only do 550 coefficients for a FIR filter). The Teensy also has dedicated hardware, aside from the DSP hardware in the ARM design and the floating point unit in that chip, for a crossover (rather than designing the crossover from scratch, etc.). Granted, these are software implemented crossover filters, an infrasonic filter to protect the sub (set around 16Hz with a 6th order butterworth while I use Linkwitz-Riley 4th order for the crossover points, although I'm considering looking at the LR 48dB instead of the LR 24dB (4th Order), because it doesn't take that many operands to implement it. I also have it as bluetooth, and with the arduino, I could add a networking switch that supports 100Mbps (not gigabit, but you are only sending music signals to the speaker). So, all that research on design and only now am I getting to the advanced techie stuff and having to solder developer boards and work with the software stuff. Plus, after I decide if I will use a constrained layer on the subwoofer chamber (I probably will and it will either be 2lb. mass loaded vinyl or a viscoelastic polyurethane in order to absorb vibrations in the cabinet aside from all the bracing in it). Then I will run a Finite Element Analysis on the box design. After that, hopefully plywood prices come down enough.

    Looking at a Scanspeak 30W/4558T00 ( https://www.scan-speak.dk/datasheet/pdf/30w-4558t00.pdf ), a SEAS U18RNX/P ( http://www.seas.no/index.php?option...rnxp&catid=44:utv-prestige-woofers&Itemid=461 ) , and a SEAS Titan 27TAC/GB ( http://www.seas.no/index.php?option...&id=556:h1825-06-27tac_gb&catid=45&Itemid=239 ). These are about 4'x2'x1.5' speakers. So definitely not small.

    The amplifier has 100W@6Ohms (so around 80-85W@8Ohms for the woofer, while the tweeter is 6Ohms) for 2 channels, then 200W@3Ohms (or around 150W@4Ohms) for the subwoofer, which is fine because these subs are high sensitivity. So the speaker will reach over 105dB across the frequency range. Put two in the same room, that is 108dB, plus the room gain from reflection.

    Enough of nerding on that, back to the regular tech talk.
     
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    I sometimes forget that people have a wide ray of varying circumstances. I had chronic ear infections from an infant up until around the 3rd grade. Was diagnosed as mildly retarded as a result though I dont know what the new PC term for that is. Due to that chronic issue I couldnt hear well so my speech was a garbled mess, they didnt know it was ear infections because I assume since having it from a very young age I developed a high pain tolerance and never cried wolf. It took multiple doctors over a period of time to determine that I respond to social ques and share toys as well as determine function of items around me (in practice) just couldnt speak or understand people to speaking to me. I was assured that I would never read or write at grade level, and that was true until around the 5th grade where my teacher was not made aware of my circumstances due to not qualifying for special education (as I no longer scored low enough) and forced me to participate at grade level.

    Life is strange, eh?
     
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    Wow, sounds like some challenging stuff. Do you have any long-term hearing issues now? Do you have trouble verbally communicating with others? I ask because my 6 year old niece is currently being tested for all sorts of possible diagnoses such as autism, but they are also testing her hearing and other sensory functions to determine if something basic like that could be the problem.

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    Reciever D! For Dragon!

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    No, no physical inhibitors to speak of was just an odd case of chronic ear infections which left me without all the tools available for infants to begin orienting their way around the world.

    Any long term issues were probably all social in nature, I am very observant and pick up on body language but on the flip side im also very introverted and outside of family probably havent had a social event / meet up in a dangerously long time lol.

    Best thing for your niece is time and patience, not granting either will only compound what ever potential issues your niece could be facing. Raising children in my mind is a full time affair and I applaud anyone who can do it and be proud of the results
     
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    Thank you for your feedback. I have two girls, 11 & 13, and I know there are challenging times but I also know that the triumphs outweigh the tribulations.My in-laws are committed to finding resolutions, whatever the outcome.

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    I didn't have hearing problems but had apraxia of speech. Think of it like a spoken dyslexia. I knew what I wanted to say, could write it fine, read fine, hear fine, but I could not speak what I wanted to say. I could only say 12 letters of the alphabet at the age of 4. Was in both speech therapy and physical therapy for fine motor skills (and a couple gross motor skills). Then was told due to insurance that I could only do one or the other. My parents chose speech therapy (was in it until 6th grade with my "R" sounds being the last one I had to work on). I speak slowly, but I have learned to use my pauses in my speech to disguise it so people think I am thoughtful, not speaking slowly because of a speech impediment.

    So I hear you there. Mine was my brain having to rewire and figure out how to speak, yours was not knowing how to speak because you were not getting in a clear auditory reference to mirror at a young age. Glad to see it was a teacher not knowing background that helped to raise you up.

    Edit: @SierraFan07 - yes, have hope. And depending what is wrong, it just means extra help. My parents would pull out thesaurus, dictionary, or the encyclopedia (back when physical encyclopedias were a thing, which they saw an extra value in with my speech impediment) in order to find words that mean the same, but that I could say. So I had a college level vocabulary in elementary school. It did alienate me with some of my peers because they couldn't understand what I was saying, but it also increased my scores drastically on standardized testing. I did eventually go to law school, something that has great amounts of public speaking. I had a classmate that was wheelchair bound and had numerous issues, but was smart as a tack.

    Give it time and do what you can. It may test your family. But it is amazing where things can go!
     
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    Anyone ever run a reservoir like this? Lol. It’s kinda funny. But it works very very well.

    I wanted my return line to be submerged at the reservoir, and this was the only way to set it up upon re-assembly. The (2) fittings side by side caused an issue. So I had to just screw this reservoir directly in to the radiator.

    I removed that little Ultra-Thin XSPC 20x360mm radiator in the bottom of my case. So I am going to just run my (2) EKWB 360’s and the (1) Alphacool 1080MM when it arrives.

    Water pressure is extremely high now though. And now that the bottom rad is gone, no hot air blowing directly on the 3090KP waterblock.


    GPU temps are down at least 3-4C. So my performance is better with only (2) 360mm rads VS. previously having (3) 360mm rads.


    I think this is because the Ultra slim XSPC 20x360mm radiator is very restrictive with water flow (My water flow before was ok but not very good), This ultra thin profile seems better suited for a small itx build, or space confined build.

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    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    I hope you're taking it easy bro. Great scores as always. As for my 5950X, I think I got a dud even though Clocktuner claims it is a golden chip.

    It idles at 35C at 4.6 whereas my 5900X sits in the mid 20's at 4.7. Identical settings. I tried remounting it twice. Same result. Going to do more testing tonight but this thing needs a chiller, lol.
     
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