*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

I'm just focused on the Crocs!

 

HaHa. Let me tell you. I spent well over 200$ on a pair Viking Anaconda 4x4 Boa GTX shoes a couple of days ago. I feel cheated But yeah, a fast photo of my old prefered cheap in-house shoes, LOOL

 

That is so sickening. I often forget as I'm complaining about the sales tax in my state of Commifornia that there's entire countries saddled with outrageous import costs. Do you speak Norwegian or Sami? My ancestors are from Norway, I'd love to visit some day.

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Yep, I talk Norwegian. Sami is more as here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igloo More North in Norway/Northern Scandinavia and colder If it's possible

 

And here I just wear converse.

Finally stopped being lazy since Amazon encouraged me to look elsewhere. They wanted 120 USD per pair which is nuts, so I went to the outlet store and bought 3 pair for what I wouldve gotten for a single pair.

I couldnt live in California, recession hit as I got out of high school, couldnt get a job anywhere, quite a flip to where things sit now in Texas.

 

Yeah we moved here from Washington when I was 5 and now I'm 39. Even if the recall is successful I'm tired of being here. Texas is one of the places we are looking at. I hate being another Californian invading another state but I can guarantee my family and I are certainly the opposite of what people complain about when they think of what a Californian is.

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Well if your city kid like myself but dont really enjoy living IN the city, I would look at Arlington, Mansfield, Grand Prarie. Close enough to still have fun on the weekends but far enough to not be in the high congestion/drama of a dense city like Dallas. Im vague on Ft Worth, stopped going over there because too much construction and not all that much interest just generally speaking. Houses have been climbing a bit in price so if your putting some serious consideration into this I would give it some serious thought over the next 6 months, people are moving now and while development has been steady for additional houses as this area has already been growing quite a bit.

My sister is happy with the schooling she could get for her daughters and we both went through public schools in 805 California, her husband had a little trouble transitioning but got into IT and while its not perfect they finally seem to be living the American dream. They own their home, raising kids and both have healthy incomes. Cant say it would happen just like that for you but the potential is there, not to mention the job market is huge especially right now.

 

Texas is a great place. I was born and raised in San Antonio. I like the Dallas area better. The per capita rate of idiots is still low and it's still a " let's all live right and do what makes sense" place. Those places are getting fewer and farther between and the nutjobs are invading their space as well. Texas also has the best food on the planet, especially if your favorite is Mexican (and mine is). I think could eat eat Mexican food 7 days a week if it is Tex-Mex style. There's no substitute for that anywhere. It's a gift from God LOL.

The second half of my life I lived in Washington and Oregon. Loved, loved, loved it. Breath-taking and most gorgeous places in the USA. It was like living in heaven back then, but now they are overrun by those nasty woke Marxist Commifornians. They've literally destroyed Portland and Seattle and their sickness has spread to the point that it has ruined things for the normal people living elsewhere that are stuck dealing with the influence of their insane nonsense. We need to finish the wall on the southern border then build one around Cali, LOL. Sadly, I have lots of wonderful friends and family in Cali that haven't been corrupted. For the life of me, I can't understand why they stay. It's a beautiful state, but there's literally nothing good about it otherwise from what I can tell. I am not optimistic the recall is going to make a dent in fixing the stupidity, but it's a place to start.

As far as shoes go, I buy three or four pairs of cheap Walmart shoes that I can throw away after a few months and replace them with something new again and still have tons of money left over compared to the expensive shoes that wear out just as fast as the crappy ones. (I am very hard on shoes. Somehow I manage to destroy them quickly no matter what quality they are.)

For about half my life all I wore was Red Wing boots but I got tired of spending so much money on expensive footwear. I'd rather spend it on something else LOL.

Years ago (in that 1995-2005 range) I owned several of those Chieftec Dragon full tower cases. They were awesome at the time and it was my favorite. I still love how they look on the outside, but the internal design is best suited for air cooled systems. In the early days of water cooling we had to be very creative with pumps, tubing, fittings and reservoirs. It required more ingenuity. The biggest question was always where you could manage to fit a radiator with no place on the top and all of the drive bays stacked in front. It would still work nice with external radiators and pumps, though.

In the days before Dell acquired and destroyed Alienware, they also used the Chieftec Dragon case and supplied it in Cyborg Green, Conspiracy Blue (I think those were the names) and a few other colors. It was just an ordinary dragon case with a alien head badge and the Alienware name embossed on the left side. But, it was still cool, and so was Alienware back then. My, how things have changed. It seems like yesterday, but it was a helluva long time ago when you start doing the math. We're so old now, LOL.

https://forums.overclockersclub.com/topic/204872-ogkwon-chieftec-dragon-modding/

 

@Mr. Fox @Reciever Thank you both for your insight. What you talk about is exactly something my wife and I would enjoy as well as my two children, somewhere with some property and not being able to reach out my window and touch the house next to me. I don't know what the forum rules are here about talking politics so I'll try to continue being respectful, but I can't agree enough about the destruction I have seen take place in my home state of Washington, as well as Oregon and California. They have created a pact and are enacting agendas that specifically target the constitutional freedoms that this country was founded upon. I'm tired of open borders, out of control homelessness, rising crime rates, the most expensive housing and taxes in the nation, the regulatory garbage that makes it so hard to run a small business, and the pressure to conform to ideologies that I refuse to embrace. My parents and a few of my siblings moved 5 years ago and it was the best thing they ever did. I have about 6 months left of college (I went back to school at 37!), and then we will be ready to begin the search. No state is perfect because humans are not perfect, but Texas has always been a beacon of light to me in their attempt to push back against the powers that would seek to erode our freedoms and see us shackled and stripped of those rights endowed upon us by God.

 

YEP! That's about how they looked, although you were a true enthusiast by the looks of it. This is the ERA when I got in to PC gaming lol. I was born in 1990.

I was like 14 years old when it all started, I talked my older brother in to 'US' selling our (Shared) OG Xbox on ebay, so we could buy the newly released nvidia 6600GT for our computer. The GeForce 6600GT was like $140 bucks and blazing fast at 1020x768 or 1280x1024. 30-40fps was the ticket! And yeah, I removed its tiny cooler and zip tied the biggest CPU cooler I could find. It was overclocked to DEATH!

I haven't stopped since lol. I don't know what it is that I find so fascinating about a computer and computer parts..

Do you remember when people wouldn't let go of AGP? And manufactures of video cards were literally making newer generation graphics cards on the old AGP interface and charging a premium for it.

So ridiculous lol.

 

Very nice! I remember those cases, they were great too!! I remember getting my first expensive case around this time, this was when NZXT was literally first becoming legitimate too. (They were a lower brand) but up and coming.

And I purchased a NZXT Nemesis for my build. It was full aluminum construction, and all of the fans were 120MM sized. PSU still in the top of course. But, it included about 3-4 sensors that you could place anywhere in your PC. and get a read out on the mini LCD screen it had on it. Pretty fancy tech for 2006. My mom bought it for me as a birthday present.

When I look at it now in 2021, it is the ugliest thing I have ever laid my eyes on lol.

 

I try to hedge my statements as my perspective is limited, may have taken me more time than I would like to admit to get there lol.

There is always a balancing act, its not as if its perfect here either. People tend to forget because its yesterdays news, but creationism and intelligent design used to be the hot button issue in the 2010's and Texas couldnt seem to pull away from that. But you are permitted to work and provide for your family with jobs just about anywhere I go. The gas station, pizza delivery, IT, IT service providers. Almost anyone I come into contact with is hiring, even if its not your permanent home you can be in a better position to provide for your family. Making decisions under duress would be less than ideal, so please consider all the options and even if Texas isnt for you. Just avoid Austin lol.

 

Hey guys what is up with 10900K overclocking? When you attempt to research them, the voltages that everyone is using is just all over the place lol. I see silicon lottery claiming 1.190-1.21V for 5.0-5.1Ghz or something. And then I hear 1.300V, then I see people say below 1.500v is dangerous.

Now, I have my 10900KF at 5.3Ghz all cores the ring clock is x49. And I have the memory at 4800CL17. I am using auto voltages with 90% Vdroop allowed. And this is so reliable its amazing!

Auto voltage on the Z490 Dark KP actually works very well up to 5.3, although load voltages get a little out of hand. However, once I enable the V-droop it fixes all of this. And I am essentially guaranteed a stable CPU. Because the motherboard just feeds it what it desires, and that's voltages, voltages, voltages. lo.

Now, here's the thing. What is Dangerous? Yes I have sent 1.6V core already ( It was an accident) but it survived numerous R15 runs without any issues at all. (But even that was only in the 90's) I was wondering why it was so warm lol.

These chips seem to be some voltage loving things though! Anyways, it gets up in to the 1.500's on all cores during 100% all core loads. And it idles down to the 1.320's. Chip runs very very cool! And I am happy with the performance, and especially the power consumption.

So far 5300Mhz on every core is 100% stable! I cannot quite get 5400 stable. This CPU runs in the 70's under unlimited amount of R15 runs at a 5300 all core with 1.500+volts. Does this seem high? It sounds high to me lol. You can see my max voltages in HWinfo. Temps great either way. as @Mr. Fox (It isn't your typical Zombie gamer boys AIO cooler lol) Highest package temp is 80C. And the cores are in the mid to high 70's. Normal thermal paste on the direct die contact, I am going to get those down some more with LM though.

PS, I just saw my timings, I will fix it.. lol I have been playing in the bios too long. I am seeing double its 2:45AM. Type it in and it boots lol.

 

You have a good chip sample and I am glad you were able to snag it. The silicon quality is all over the board and that is why you see so much inconsistency with talking heads on the web. Just tune it, manage the temps, and enjoy. I ran 5.2GHz on all cores, 48x cache and 1.325 - 1.350V as a 24/7 daily driver. Did you try my 5.5GHz, 50x cache and 1.550V saved profile yet? I used that only on the chiller, so it probably won't work without it. But, it might on things that are light on CPU load, like Fire Strike and Port Royal.

The other thing about the stuff posted on the web is the fact that most of them are talking heads that have never seriously been involved in overclocking at a higher level. Sure, they do the gamerboy stuff and undervolt instead of overvolt. They are gamers that play with overclocking, not overclockers that play games. There is a huge difference. They use old knowledge and apply it to current tech and it doesn't make sense. It used to be that 100°C and 1.500V meant you were going to kill your CPU and that is no longer true. People that are still preaching that are heretics living in the past. Nobody wants to see 100°C and that's why we go to great lengths to avoid it. But, the implications of the higher temps and voltage are not the same.

Do what makes sense and you will be golden. Establish a reasonable but awesome (like 52x) daily driver and gaming overclock and let it rip when you're benching. That CPU will be obsolete long before you kill it.

 

Yeah I have been keeping it at the 5.3Ghz all 10 cores daily now. It is on auto voltage with 90% load v-droop.

It’s stable at 5.3Ghz. The voltage jump from 5.2Ghz is pretty drastic. But that’s ok.

Tonight I am gonna try and tune some cores to move faster than others. So 53 all core, maybe 54-55 on just a few cores. (if that’s even possible)

I’ll finish up with the CPU, and then move on to finding the best memory setting.

When I loaded your profile, it has everything set to auto in 50% of the fields for some reason. But neither will work lol. It just has an error and goes crazy. Not sure why either. It certainly should post.

How do you unlock those extra menus in the bios?

 

There are three different BIOS versions on the board. Only one has the toggle switch to unlock the extra menus, but I did not really find anything on them useful. So, there was no benefit over the stock EVGA BIOS versions. Most of the settings can stay on auto and the K|NGP|N BIOS will apply the correct values.

The saved profiles might be conflicting with your memory. Try applying one of them and set the XMP profile on your memory or set default memory profile (stock, not XMP). Save and exit, and that will probably boot just fine. Then you can apply your memory settings. The profiles I created with the 16GB Patriot Viper single rank memory kit were not compatible when I installed my 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws dual rank and it would not boot at all. It wouldn't even try to train the memory. Even though both were B-die, there was too much difference between the design and architecture of them. That is how I dealt with it... apply the saved profile, remove the saved memory settings, then save and exit. Then apply new memory settings for the new modules. Save/overwrite the old profile with the old memory settings with your new memory settings.

 

@custom90gt was inspired by my post about my older pc setup and created a new thread #Post your old-school setup#. Maybe post in the thread if you have some nice pict of your old computers. The older the better A great initiative from our bro and mod custom90gt

 

This was the first thing I tried. No matter what settings I cannot get a post with these settings. I went through each thing and tried everything lol. I actually did all of this on the 2nd or 3rd day of owning this.

However, its ok. Because I can see what settings you ran on the CPU. And that 5.2Ghz all core with 1.365v and 25% less vdroop works really really well. CPU runs in the mid to high 60's on each core. I have the memory at 4500 CL15-16-16-36-450-1T @1.600V. This board over shoots the memory voltage a little, which I actually really really like, its like an OCD thing! So the memory voltage is actually 1.633V per dimm. On my X299 Dark motherboard the dimm voltage was different on each side. And it was a little annoying. One side of the CPU would be 1.480V and the other side would be 1.5V lol.

Anyways, CPU runs great! This platform is quite fast, and I really really like it.

Oh, and no black Primo chill SX test benches in stock anywhere. I am on standby to order one as soon as I see one though.

 

Check out these 3090KP temps.

With the memory overclocked, the memory hot spot Tjunction doesnt exceed 58C.

If I run the memory stock, it runs SUB 50C on the memory Tjunction temp. Obviously the memory modules them selves r super cool. I think I might just need another D5 pump, and push/pull fans on my 1080MM external radiator to obtain full potential.

This was a gaming session, full GPU usage.

 

@Mr. Fox

See if you can extract some tidbits from Skatter for your 5950x adventures. I find his videos sometimes have a few nuggets for both AMD and Intel from time to time:

 

Awesome, that makes me super happy.

Thanks, bro. I will take all the help I can get.

Speaking of which, I went back to it this morning. Some things are just meant to be. Constantly tinkering with a system assembled in a case sucks real bad. I already knew that. Should have stuck with a proven system.

I went back together with Liquid Pro instead of KPX. Idle temps are about 10°C lower. Hopefully, load temps will maintain that improvement. I hope the top row of fans from the MO-RA 360 blowing on the crappy Crosshair VRM heatsink helps with the VRM thermals. ASUS should be ashamed of their lackluster build quality. This expensive motherboard doesn't seem much better than the low-budget Z490 Prime or the Z490 Strix... shameful. Maybe my bar is set too high based on Rampage, X299 Dark and Z490 Dark ownership, but the Crosshair VIII Hero is pretty pathetic for a board that costs $400~. Nothing about it feels like a high-end mainboard. Personally, I think they cheaped out on it because it is built for AMD, because the Maximus boards I have owned were also better build quality.

I'm just going to have to accept the dust as part of living here. The Praxis Wetbench was squeaky clean when I started and before I finished assembling everything, the damned thing was already dusty, LOL. Later on I will migrate the parts from the Neo Qube to the Corsair 5000D and sell the Qube on Craigslist. The Qube is a gorgeous case, but it's too small. I don't like small anything where computers are concerned (call me Captain Obvious, LOL).

 

Have you considered building a Big box with lots of ventilation/filters? Just put it over all HW when you do not need max performance / cooling. Just take it of with ease when you bench or need max out of your machine. You normally don't max out the power 24/7/365.

 

That could work. I need to do something.

 

I finally managed to do a clean install of W7 on the X570. It was a pain in the butt, but I am hoping it works better than the Z490 installation that I used to get it working for the 5950X. I have never liked the idea of importing a Windows installation to a different platform, but I could not get slipstreamed drivers to work on the X570 to install Windows 7 using USB media. I could not get any keyboard and mouse functionality no matter what I tried, so I did it the old-fashioned hard way.

• Installed SATA DVD drive and used Windows 7 Pro CD-ROM
• Installed PCIe PS/2 card and purchased a PS/2 keyboard and mouse
• Did a bare metal installation on a SATA drive without any USB or NVMe support
• Manually installed KMDF, NVMe Hotfix and SHA updates
• Manually installed modded/signed AMD drivers for Windows 7 from Win-Raid forum

Everything except ASUS Aura seems to be working flawlessly. I am not sure if any Windows 7 drivers are available for Aura, but at the end of the day I don't really care... would be nice, but not necessary.

I am definitely going to create a Macrium image of this before I install any software because I don't want to have to go through this rigmarole again if I can avoid it.

 

I know for a fact that ASUS has Aura drivers for Win7 on some older systems and hardware (2016-2017 era,) but I don't think their newer products have support for Win7 sadly.

 

There may be one that works, but I tried the W7 drivers for my older motherboard (X299 Rampage and Maximus boards) and I think the hardware ID or something was changed. Those drivers did not work.

 

Hope you all had a great weekend...

Finally I took a dip, the wait is over... Got myself a BFGPU, 3090 FE. It was a long haul wait and Overkill for my need. AIBs were out of equation since pricing / availability etc.. FE cards are built like a tank this time around, made in Taiwan as well.



So here's the story, Bestbuy had a drop of Founders Edition cards on 26th. I reached there by 2AM after 1.5-2hrs of travel there were already over 90 folks there was totally shocked. I lost my hope of getting a 3080, 3080Ti and 3090. Literally thought to go back...glad I didn't. In the morning they started unusual approach by saying first lower priced cards, my position was too risky thought I would be going empty handed If I want the big cards since the first ones will get top cards last folks can get the cheap cards and middle will be screwed, fortunately they started with most popular one 3080, and it was already done at top 30 positions, next they asked 3090 and 3080Ti was next, many folks didn't get the GPU in front of me, so I had to take the jump. Also the Ti was a castrated card for the cash in terms of specs, cooler (nvidia used a 3080 chassis for a 3090 silicon wtf, it will run louder and spin more) and LHR for the price diff vs 3080 and 3090, seemed the big fat one would be better also it's probably the last NVLink/SLI GPU for consumer (not that I would use it) and last powerful GPU on the planet for Windows 7 driver as well. All of these pushed me. Many said 3090 would be easier to get but I was the last 2nd to get the ticket.

Nvidia is also going to abandon Windows 7 by October Driver release.

So any GPU launched after (SUPER refresh ?) is going to have no drivers for Windows 7 and LHR. I do not care about much of the next gen games except a few (STALKER 2, Atomic Heart for now are the only ones I'm waiting and the only game I cared/played for 2020 and 2021 is DOOM Eternal), don't like my games to have politics forced and shoved down my throat. So a bit of a soothing aspect to digest the huge amount premium literally 100% over a 3080 poorest value tbh for me personally in addition there's a small futureproofing with 24GB VRAM for 4K on these old games at high 100+ FPS. This much of cash if spent on a 2022 GPU would reward even more performance/dollar and value. And waiting for another 3080 picking up would be insane...nobody even knows if these cards will be come in stock again for the rest of the year.

Now... I'm waiting for EVGA Z590 DARK, ASUS Z590 boards will get A5 BSOD on Windows 7, only a beta BIOS 0070 runs Windows 7 without any issue for Maximus Apex XIII, but probably a modified acpi.sys would do it. A guy at Win-Raid got Apex XIII running on Win7 gonna ask him about the BIOS version and how did he do it successfully, but the ALC4080 codec which is latest from Realtek on that Apex is brand new and probably doesn't have a Win7 driver either (?). On the side waiting for info on X570S, esp USB reports if I want to go to AMD platform for that upcoming Zen 3D V-Cache upgrade. But the mobo options on X570 platform are too limited, now that X570 DARK is coming it's a great option but going that for NVMe future ready is bad vs the X570 traditional offerings, EVGA used the same board for X570, as I guessed. Literally same 1:1 - I/O, Audio, LAN, PCIe slot placement, fans on CPU VRMs and everything they went the PCIe SSDs for 3.0x4 too instead of the X570's usual chipset lanes 4.0 for NVMe, not a biggie but tbh that's too much of sacrifice, esp given the AMD platform doesn't even have OC potential like Intel CPUs.

And I was not aware of the GDDR6X temps, these Ampere cards heat a lot on the backplate, I always noticed you folks mentioning about the backplate, now I got it. Thankfully it's fixable by Thermal pad modding. These 3090s having that high speed memory on the backplate doesn't help at all, it is a real space heater - 110C peak and throttle the GPU Core hard. Micron datasheet says it's operating temp is around 105C but damn that's insane, given how much of engineering went into these G6X memory chips and having more than 50% of transistor density on the Ampere silicon from the Turing, esp 3090's fat GA102 on that Samsung 8N node. Nvidia should have really went into cooling these cards on the backside in some way or at-least improve the out of factory Thermal padding. Also that rumor on 3090 SUPER feels crazier now, how did Nvidia fix the memory throttling / heating to clock that card over 1TB/s. 3090 OCed can already hit 21Gbps, so on that full GA102 there wont be any OC room...can't wait to see if it's real or a joke.

It's about time...excited, at the same time got a lot to learn. Also I got Seasonic TX1000 ready, snagged it when it came in stock.

 

Congratulations, bro. I am excited for you.

Screw 'em all. I'll just use older drivers, or use NVCleanstall to make them compatible. I'll continue using Windows 7 for as long as I can hold out and fight them on it. I burned a ton of calories to make this happen, (probably 20 to 30 hours in total farting around to figure out what would work,) not to mention spending money on parts for a one-time use. And yes... totally worth it to have Windows 7 working. Yeah, it worked with a W7 image from my Z490 Dark, but I wanted to prove to myself that I could force the issue with a complete lack of support from the Redmond Retards and AMD.

There is NO EXCUSE for newer versions of Windows not being as crisp and clean as Windows 7. They are so loaded up with trash that it is totally inexcusable. Every time I boot into Windows 7 it instantly makes me hate everything newer.

My next project is to clean install Linux on the X570 system. Probably next weekend.

Windows 11 is so crappy I won't even put it on a permanent drive. I have it on a PCIe add-in card with an old Samsung Enterprise NVMe 22110 SSD so I can just unplug it and set it aside when I am not using it. Totally disposable and expendable (hence named my "crash test dummy" OS).

 

So my 256 GB boot drive Samsung 960 Evo just decided to straight up and *die* while in windows idle today on my MSI throttlebook. Went to open a website and nothing happened. Tried again nothing happened. Tried to open task manager and it said "Steam was not responding." (Steam is on the 1 TB 960 Pro). Ok so um, I force shut down, turned the laptop back on and it just froze on the MSI logo. Couldn't even get to BIOS.

Suspected maybe the spinner 1TB Hitachi drive died but nope, put it on a SATA to USB adapter on my 11900k and it came right up after saying "Press X to get permission to read this folder".
So I removed both NVME drives (the 960 Evo and 960 Pro) and the laptop booted directly to BIOS. Put in the spinner and it booted to BIOS again. Put in both NVME's and it froze on MSI logo.

So I figured if any drive was going to die it would be the Evo first. So I took the Evo out and threw it into a Gigabyte Z390+9900k board sitting around (the boot drive for that was another beater spinner) and it froze on the Gigabyte screen for like 45 seconds with the "boot" red LED Logo (even though the post code said "A0") then it booted to BIOS and I "Saw' the drive. But in windows, there was nothing there. Tried again, nope. Drive was dead.

Didn't know a SSD would just instantly decide to kill itself. And since when does a 1 TB Hitachi HDD outlive a NVME 256GB boot drive that's sitting idle most of the time?
Are SSD drives supposed to just instantly decide to end it all without any notice?

I threw an old 860 Evo m.2 SATA drive into the same slot the 960 evo was in and I guess that was the "combo" slot since it detected it fine and I had windows on there already.
Surprised windows actually booted successfully, since that was a Z590 chipset + 11900k test bench drive.
I guess I'll have my work cut out for me getting most of the basic MSI utilities installed again. What sucks is I lost my batch file for RW Everything for the 330W power limit and don't remember how to do it right now. Oh well I'll get it up and running.

The laptop's steam drive is intact (the 1 TB 960 Pro) and my chess database and books on that drive (a copy of the one on my desktop) and my arcade emulators are fine on the E: spinner.

 

Nice. Atleast you got one! I'm literally staring at Amazon and even 3060 costs almost 1000$ and even RX 6600. You can imagine how the prices for 3080/3090/6800xt/6900xt will be!

I never knew you went with AMD system, I thought you said AMD 5950X lacked OC potential and 11900K already had good performance with your RTX 3090.
I got rid off my Linux partition on my BGA due to nvidia driver causing black screen issues after every kernel/driver update. I did come across Elementary OS 6 which has touchpad gestures and UI looks clean and consistent across all system apps and user apps. If you already use Mint then you can skip Elementary OS. Do note, Elementary OS doesn't support fractional scaling out of the box even with 20.04 LTS ubuntu base which turned me away since 1x scaling makes it hard to read text esp. on Linux.

Did face similar issue on PM951 where it occasionally ends up in black screen during sleep and never recovers even with force power off. I simply replaced it and disabled all power management from IRST.

 

It has been less than a month. It is a powerful CPU, but does lack CPU and memory overclocking potential, it runs very hot, and isn't stable when you start pushing the CPU and memory hard. Ryzen memory and IF overclocking blows more than I thought it would. 4000 CL16 is at the edge of functionality and the latency compared to several of my recent Intel systems is quite poor.

I am not sure going down the AMD road was a good idea. At least I am not bored for the time being... But, I am a little frustrated. I hope I am able to get better results as I figure things out, and I hope the frustration does not end in dissatisfaction. For now I am staying optimistic and working through the learning process.

I have never owned 11th Gen Intel. I had two desktops with 10900K/KF. I still have one of them. I sold the better CPU and mobo to @tps3443 a couple of weeks ago.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4808308_

https://hwbot.org/submission/4808420_

 

Yes, overclocking Ryzen is/can be frustrating. I learned a lot from Steve on GamerNexus in his LN overclocking sessions. I also experimented like crazy.

These 5950X's are furnaces when pushed. There is no going around it. As you pointed out, the 7980XE was equally hot. You can technically delid it but there are no direct die systems out there for Ryzen.

I honestly thought you would get at least 5.0 with your chiller. Keep pushing bro, you got this.

 

I think trying to push the FCLK/UCLK too hard is causing some of my stability issue. I am trying to see if there is a way to unlink them. Some of my benchmark scores are higher when set "Auto" for FCLK and that makes the UCLK half the speed. Auto makes FCLK 1800 and UCLK 1000. So far I have not found a BIOS menu to set them separately. I think I could push the FCLK harder if the UCLK were set lower, and I think that would improve the benchmark results.

 

And if this is true you'll have a lot of fun with oc'ing in the Christmas holidays Double fun. Two different type cores to tune in, LOOL

The only downside will be Win 11 if none find a way to get same performance from Win 10 (if this is or will be the case).

Intel XTU Update Adds Full Support for Alder Lake Chips tomshardware.com - 1 hour ago

Alder Lake’s power saver cores could be unlocked

If true, then we can expect both Intel’s power saver cores and high-performance cores to be fully unlocked, which could be a whole lot of fun for overclocking enthusiasts that want to push the limit on all their cores.

Bro @Ashtrix congrats with your new setup. And have fun when you get it

 

I had two Samsung NVMe SSDs and one Eluktronics (Intel) SSD "killed" by an automatic update to 20H2 and @Prema had one Samsung die under the same circumstances about a week or two later. I was able to use Linux to fix the Samsung NVMe drives, but the rebranded Intel was a no go. Not sure if you are facing the same scenario or something else. The Intel drive was no longer recognizable and caused the BIOS to hang while it was installed. The Samsung drives were visible but not accessible to the OS and the drive capacity was reduced from 1TB to 1GB of unusable space.

I followed the instructions posted here to resuscitate the Samsung NVMe drives. Both are still being used and it happened about 6 months ago. The Intel drive is a desk ornament. I haven't thrown it away yet because I was hoping I might find a way to bring it back to life, but that's probably not going to happen.

https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...963-960gb-m-2-to-1gb-issue.21405/#post-248129

It appears the Windows Update writes some kind of crap to a protected area of the drive that manages the controller firmware and the Linux fix restored that area of the drive.

 

Next time... Once in a while then take a look into smart info in the ssd software/Crystal Disk Info and see if all is ok. All tech can die. My Cpu can die tomorrow or 10 years later. None know. Its a reason all suggest you all have make an backup. Not only because Microsoft screw up their OS several times a year. But it sucks have to buy new HW before time.

 

Since I have a 5800X and 5900X available, I can loan them to you for a couple weeks so you can bench those too with your chiller. I'm very curious to see how these "Golden Chips" do with better cooling.

 

That would truly be great to see how they perform under the chiller.

I'm ridiculously meticulous about staggered backups across numerous media depending on immediacy needs.

 

Yep. All should. But avoid the Big wolf If not, then be sure you put some pictures in another place before it hit you in the face as a hammer http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-automatically-x.836611/page-5#post-11115950

 

Cool. That would be nice, especially once I have a better idea what I am doing.

Does your firmware have a way to set FCLK and UCLK independently? I can vaguely remember seeing it, but I can't find it.

 

Thanks a lot to all of the awesome folks here for your good words, amazing small community.

@Mr. Fox
Your Ryzen installation steps are as clear as they can get. These are my steps for X570 platform from what I learnt on win-raid.

 

Canonkong's driver mods are always good. I used his AMD driver pack this weekend. It worked where others failed. It even includes a driver for the AURA device (but I still cannot find software that functions).

I used his instructions to mod AMD USB Type-C drivers to make the USB Type-C port on my 2080 Ti work under Windows 7. I was even able to rebrand the port as "NVIDIA" in Device Manager. Take that, Green Goblin!

 

It's a desk ornament.
It appears in the BIOS as a 256 GB Evo drive after a 45 second cold boot to BIOS, but windows won't see anything, and that old Samsung magician program you linked to on the other forum says "No Samsung drives detected." After a second reboot it's not even in BIOS anymore. So there's no "Errormod" to recover since I can't access it.

Windows PCIE sees "something" in the slot. But not a "drive."

device manager says "Standard NVME controller: Error 10: An I/O Adapter hardware error has occurred." "This device cannot start."

Going to throw it in the trash unless someone else has any ideas.

 

Can you see it in an USB enclosure intended for this drive?

 

Slightly off topic but I have a question for you guys, I have noticed lately that 2 cores are fully pegged for no reason, only happens when the PC is seemingly unattended for maybe 15-20 minutes.

As soon as I open Task manager to investigate, the load disappears immediately. Only reason I can even determine this much is because what ever is pegging the 2 cores doesnt seem to mind Throttlestop reporting but as soon as Task manager is opened is immediately disperses.





Nevermind my high idles, I have a high ambient due to mining in my bedroom (1320w)

Are there other means for me to investigate this? I dont mind doing my own reading so if theres a general direction I should go then by all means.

Thanks fellas

 

Check if Windows Maintiance cick in. Let the Maintenance tab be open and check forwards.

 

I tried with a PCIE to m.2 x16 card or whatever it is adapter. Didn't work.
I saw the card light blue for a split second then went off. And bios hung again.

I don't have a USB Adapter.

 

This is what mine looks like as of currently.

 

All I know is that Microsoft screwed up this feature for Win 8.1. It started up regardless of settings. Still worth check it. I use a reg hack to stop it. I start it myself when I want it to start (enable or disable).


You find simlar tweak in Winaero Tweaker I think.

See also https://winaero.com/how-to-disable-automatic-maintenance-in-windows-10/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ware-edition-win-10-pro.791852/#post-10260992

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-875#post-10624441