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That stock throughput and latency at CL22 makes my eyes bleed. It seems Clevo went backwards with the X170 in certain aspects, instead of forward

This is the old lady P8 with 4 sticks on z370:

Spoiler

edit: hopefully you get the go ahead to share your mods, there are a lot of people hoping to squeeze more juice out their x170.

 

Brother @Rage Set have you seen or heard much on the EK-Quantum Momentum monoblocks and how effective/ineffective they are? Looking at this as an option, hoping the CPU stays as cool (with "as cool" meaning that it doesn't run any hotter than it does, LOL) as it does with the OptimusPC block. The stock VRM thermal unit is big and heavy, but it is a chunk of aluminum with shallow fins and tends to get saturated. I have noticed that I do have a little more overclocking headroom on the open bench with the radiator fans blowing across them than I did in the enclosed case with the heat build-up and less air circulation. The are still getting very warm under severe stress, but not crazy hot like they were in the case. It felt like I was going to burn myself touching the heat sinks in the case. Now they feel hot to touch, but not so hot that touching them is uncomfortable.

Coming from Intel, it feels really odd to consider 100MHz core clock increase like a lot of progress, but with Ryzen it is.

 

From Igors lab.

Realtek ALC 4080 with sound cuts and interference (random noise) also on the analog line-out and after the update - causes and a first workaround!

The problem is probably with the motherboard
Now we come to the actual problem, namely the dropouts, sporadic volume changes and even a (rather rare) unmotivated “pop” when the volume control is set over 50%. Here I used my manufacturer contacts and asked the producers and their development departments directly. If you believe the first findings of the FAE (Field Application Engineer) involved everywhere, the problem even lies outside of the audio chip, namely with the MCU (Micro Controller Unit), which is responsible for the RGB effects of the individual components.

In the first series of tests, for example, it was found that motherboards that offer a complete deactivation of the RGB functionality in the BIOS, the problem no longer occurred without RGB. The same applied to boards, where RGB can be completely deactivated via a switch. Another workaround, according to the manufacturer, is to synchronize all effects via software, e.g. RAM, motherboard and the aRGB header. If all outputs use the same effects here, the problem should occur less often or not at all. The motherboard manufacturers are now also working together with the manufacturer of the MCU concerned for the RGB control on a possible solution.

And of course we will stay tuned and will continue to report ...

 

Choose One:

• Pretty RGB effects
• Pretty sounding audio
• I only care how well it overclocks
• It only matters if my friends on Facebook say it does

In all seriousness, animated onboard RGB effects might get some folks excited, but it is system overhead no matter how you slice it. The best option is to use a discrete mechanical control device that runs independently from the rest of the system through molex or SATA power and has nothing to do with the motherboard. Having one less item in device manager that requires drivers and software installation is a win by every measurement.

The bloat that it requires to run buggy trash like Aura and Mystic lighting is a joke, and it is detrimental to system performance and reliability. Having to install utter rubbish like ASUS Armory Crate takes the situation from being a cruel joke to idiocy of an unprecedented magnitude. It was not nearly as horrible when you could simply install Aura as a standalone. It had only one service. Now there are at least a half dozen resource-leeching cancer Services running with Amory Crate, and it adds insult to injury with it being UWP feces.

Unfortunately, you'll need another added layer of UWP trash and services to use all of the features of the onboard audio and DAC. Unless you are really into listening to music on your PC and consider yourself to be an audiophile snob, you're going to be better of with a driver-only installation for the onboard audio and skip the rest of the malware payload.

 

I have five of their Quantum Velocity cpu blocks, two of their older monoblocks. I never had a problem with EK's actual blocks. I think the Quantum Momentum monoblocks uses their latest fin array from the Magnitude line but you don't get all of the improvements. I think OptimusPC blocks are still going to be better though.

 

Looks like the 3175X still has life in it. Intel CPU's still ruling the roost in certain areas but badly beaten in others.

EDIT: Maybe I should get a 10980XE for my X299 Dark. It is just sitting looking at me in the corner with the 7960X installed.

 

My P770DM had Prema bios and I didn't realize how amazing that was until I tried to help another user with their standard Dell BIOS. I couldn't find out exactly what laptops he works on and didn't want to bother him to ask about my new MSI, but at least with the hidden menu it seems pretty darn customizable so I feel fortunate.

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AMD USB issues is the thing which is really making me tremble. I read so many stories by so many folks on r/AMD at this point that I'm pissed off at AMD on handling this issue. This is the exact reason I keep on having that optimistic thinking about X570S like is the chipset Matisse die a new stepping revision and/or the new B2 Ryzen 5000 stepping is a new revision, combining both would be the best possible fix for AMD to do silently. Also they already relaxed the boost clocks a lot vs release quarter. I noted this on OCN WHEA thread. Forget the rest of that CO / Corerecycler loop etc that one needs to go through OCD to make sure their CPU is not a dud.

Thanks Bro Papu. I do not know about what this MCU is but from my basic understanding the ALC4000 series is not HDA type Audio chip. It's an onboard USB chip, these all new mobos almost every single one of them has this, like 85% of the new boards. I wonder how the RGB trash is effecting this, it's really a BS problem that shouldn't exist, top class Audio capacitors and all sort of advertisement these guys do, esp the fact about how the Audio is shielded away from the PCB of the mobo so there's less interference and EMI issues. Somewhat relevant information here about the onboard audio EM issues, ASR forum (They overdo and rely too much on numbers but somewhat on subject)

I agree, no questions esp about the RGB junk. But the only reason I asked about Crosshair VIII Extreme is about that new X570S chipset. About the RGB software I keep hearing so many people saying issues about ASUS Aura and GB's RGB software is outright real dumpster from many folks. ASUS is really doing UWP trash for the damn drivers is really insane. It's like Alienware's new trash ACC on UWP garbage level but on a freaking Desktop hardware, really they need to be kicked in nuts. Also Corsair iCue software is another mess, then there's the Razer Synapse trash.

About that new ALC4000 series is Win10 only like the new 10G LAN controllers from Marvell. no drivers for Windows 7, I think they are brand new & nobody at Win-raid has experience with them on top to make things worse Audio chips have EMI issues and all sort of hardware / firmware issues. I'm not going to get that board at all, too many quirks. Thunderbolt was only attractive to me because that works as USB4.0 which is upcoming tech nothing much to lose sleep over and esp TB chip initialization takes time for BIOS and POST iirc. But was just wondering since the board Extreme has everything one needs felt somewhat compelling esp the tons of USB ports, but then again no ASMedia SATA ports a red flag, however the PCIe slot HBA cards can be used for more SATA ports, but that's another thing again.

Finally I like good quality sound, not an Audiophile per se that blows $$$$ on Audio gear, modest spending here that's it. But I did some research, my LG V30 is really a great device when it comes to audio. I know exactly how even LG implemented their DAC modes, here's my write up at XDA on the same. LG phones also compete with all DAPs which are insanely overpriced at over $1000+. It's a powerhouse that bests a lot of competition plus there's basically no noise floor on their phones as their ESS SABRE DAC implementation is top class.

That said, I was only wondering the audio circuitry would avoid me using another DAC (which I currently have, $99 Schiit Modi 3 AKM DAC good quality and best value for money) and use the onboard audio when I'm spending on that motherboard. Anyways I think these onboard Audio cards are not great due to above reasons. So I may use the simple desktop gear ultimately.


By the way, I think many folks will love this info - The X570 DARK is probably close, since Z590 DARK caught up it seems with the queue..not sure why they painted the copper black on this AMD board. It looked superb with it's original color on Z590. Basically 1:1 as the Z590 nothing probably new, the guy doesn't know the extra 2SATA are from ASMedia which are useful for XP and Win7 for benching and etc.



EVGA X570 DARK official spec sheet

Notes - The press release says 2xM.2 PCIe4.0 so both the M.2 slot 1 and 2 are PCIe 4.0 on this unlike what we heard that only one slot is 4.0 ?

And more important part is see also see 8x SATA are coming from X570 chipset only, not ASMedia unlike Z590 DARK. Okay there's one more, Z590 is 21 phase (evga language in reality it's just doublers) vs X570 DARK is 17 phase only. Then the heatsink is not as beefy and massive like Z590 DARK either, so this board is not 1:1 like Z590 DARK it's a slightly cut down version in terms of Heatsink and VRMs.

Damn I really hope Luumi installs Windows 7 on his Z590 DARK and X570 DARK. Really this gen is going to be last for Windows 7, I seriously doubt ADL and Zen 4 will have CSM.

 

I really wish this had been available at the time of my build. I would have so loved to have spent my money with EVGA and not spent money on anything from ASUS. Given my experience with 5950X thus far, I probably won't spend money upgrading to what I anticipate will be a vastly superior motherboard (X570 Dark) compared to the ASUSTeK Crosshair VIII. It is going to be expensive, and at this point I don't think it will do anything remarkable to make my CPU and platform any less hot, less buggy or more resistant to heavy overclocking. Otherwise, I would jump on it. I say "probably" because I plan to watch all of the details and pay attention to the experience of others that do buy it. If it does more for them than I am expecting that it will, then I very well may bite the bullet.

Edit: I think this might be the first AMD X570 board with multi-BIOS, and it has 3 in typical EVGA fashion. That actually might be the reason I would buy it. It really sucks that ASUS doesn't have at least dual BIOS, and Gigabyte's version of that is a joke. It's more like a backup rather than an alternate BIOS selection option.

It has a PS/2 port, so there is the easy un-modded W7 installation path if you have a SATA optical drive. (I had to use a PCIe PS/2 add-in card and SATA DVD drive on the Crosshair.) But, I now have a fully working W7 ISO modded with both Z490 and X570 drivers integrated. I just tested it this evening and clean installed W7 on both systems with no hassles.

 

I’m going backwards! If you add a 11900K with a 10900K, you end up with a 7980XE lol.

18 cores to 10 cores to now 8 cores!

NO REGERTS at all.


No matter how fast the IPC can become on a 7980XE, and no matter how low that latency is. The gaming performance still isn’t as good as these lower core chips.

Hopefully my 11900K is a good one! Ready to get off work and pop this thing in. I am actually really excited over this 8/16 chip!

 

Looking forward to your review. I have the 11800H and I'm blown away by its performance in a laptop. Yes it's not socketed desktop CPU etc. etc., but for what it is it performs well beyond my expectations after really tweaking it.

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So you tested the new memory yet?

 

It won't be here until Wednesday according to the tracking info.

The IPC of newer processors is very high and delivers good performance in situations where thread utilization is low.

Gaming is generally not a particularly high demand workload, especially in terms of the CPU. In fact, some games and many older benchmarks perform poorly with a high core count CPU because it doesn't know how to process things correctly. You can sometimes see a huge increase in performance by changing affinity or disabling cores and threads in the BIOS on those games and benchmarks. Games are not typically designed to use all system resources at their disposal. Having too many cores and threads available can result in under-utilization of all of them because of how the game software is coded.

While things like ray tracing are starting to change how demanding some games can be on the GPU when they are using maxed out settings, if you look at the minimum system requirements for most games, most perform at an acceptable level with hardware most of us would consider antiquated and even somewhat pathetic. This is probably by design to some extent. Game developers would lose a ton of money if most titles required cutting edge hardware and high core count CPUs to be payable. Lots of PC gamers use old and slow hardware by current standards.

 

Based off the leaks, I already knew this board wasn't going to be the 100% equal to the Z590 Dark (you can argue that the board doesn't need 21 phases for Ryzen)...but it does surpass the Z490 Dark which many did pay over $500 for. In my head, if I want EVGA to continue to make Dark boards for AMD, I'm going to pick this up.

I hope yours performs better than mine. I have a SP83 and I am not a happy camper. I know Ryzen has a lot of issues but this is the first time in a long time that I actually regretted an Intel purchase. This is definitely my last "mainstream" Intel purchase for a while. I am going back to HEDT and I'm staying there.

 

Yes, that has crossed my mind as well. The best way to ensure good behavior continues is by rewarding it. If it turns out great for early adopters from how things appear as an observer, I may get one for that reason. I just hope availability is not as limited as things usually are with EVGA. If it is, then I probably won't end up with one, and my support won't even be relevant because they will sell out on the limited quantity they make available.

While I do have some degree of regrets about moving from Z490 to X570, not everything is bad about Ryzen. Nothing is perfect, but the 11th Gen Intel CPUs seem like the worst product they have released in a long time. In stark contrast, 10900K/KF is a pretty amazing CPU unless you get a really horrible silicon sample. Nothing about downgrading to a newer Intel 11th Gen K processors interested me and I would still choose the 5950X over that. Newer isn't always better, but it's always newer. I hope Intel learns from their mistakes and corrects them, but it doesn't seem like any company involved with technology does that anymore. They make excuses for their sucky garbage and just keep on doing stupid stuff. I don't know if it is because they just don't care, are too prideful to admit when they make bad decisions, or too damned stupid to recognize them, but it seems to be status quo for the industry now.

 

Welp, I have been tearing and re-tearing down my Precision 5820 and 7810 and despite both supporting bifurcation they refuse to boot with my pcie x1 to 4-1x pcie/usb expansion cards. Was hoping to consolidate things and lower power consumption but that looks to be out the window.

Time to buy an actual "mining" motherboard I guess, was really hoping to not have to buy more stuff. I AM an out of the closet cheapskate but with PC's I like to repurpose until I really cant think of a reason to hold on to them since I dont like contributing to e-waste.


In other news I have been disheartened with MSi again lol, I didnt even realize but the Gaming X Trio 3080 comes fully equipped with a plastic backplate :/ Which now makes sense as to why its been thermal throttling and why an EPYC server heatsink did nothing for the temps attached via double sided thermal tape.

Also after repasting and re-padding the Asrock 5700 XT Taichi the mem temps are still garbage. its not connected to the heatsink at all, just a plate that covers them.

 

Yeah, I would always run a specific setup per which game I was playing. I could get some pretty good performance out of my 7980XE with HT disabled. It wasn’t too difficult to run a 5.1Ghz to 5.2Ghz with HT disabled.

Power usage, temps, and performance all go down right at 30%, once you disable HT. This allowed running high frequencies much easier. It certainly helped with the crappy optimized games. It was just annoying to boot in bios, switch profiles. Check if it’s on or off etc.


Usually the non-AAA titles do not have these well tuned game engines.

Anyways, 11900K is up and running. I hope I like it.

 

11900K is up and running! I switched over to bios 2.01 and it came right up.

However, while I am in windows I have this horribly annoying electrical interference noise coming from the motherboard. I noticed this same noise on the 10850K too (Only while using this bios though)(Bios 2.01 for Rocket Lake support)

The electrical coil whine noise is generated when moving the mouse only. And it’s driving me crazy.

Something off with this bios. I moved around some usb devices, and no luck at all.

 

I'm really zoned in on EVGA's foray into 5000 series motherboard land. That combined with the Zen refresh(ish) might prove to be the killer combo.

With 11th gen, SP rating doesn't carry as much weight depending on what you are looking for in terms of performance. You need a good IMC, a low leakage chip and hopefully not a gas guzzler. You routinely only get two out of three and sometimes zero. Reports of 80+ SP rated 11th gen chips having that one inferior core causing chips to stall at 5.2 all core or a garbage IMC stalling at 3733 (well, it isn't even really stalling as that is above spec of 3600) are well known in gear 1.

Which one of the three are putting you in the unhappy camper crowd?

 

I am actually very happy with this 11900K already. The stock boosting algorithm goes very hardcore on these little things. Hitting 5.1-5.3Ghz with simple windows opened. The strangest thing though, I noticed the IPC immediately (When I hear people say this l think BS sometimes lol), Although, after opening Evga Precision X, and R15. I felt the difference. (It was a moment of………wow that opened extremely quick.. What in the world. I am very accustomed to opening these applications very often.

R15 hit 2,450 stock (High priority) with XMP on the memory only. No additional tuning at all.

The most surprising thing ever.. Was actually noticing that it’s faster.

Ok, I’m going to play rust with it and run it stock for a bit. Will tune it up real good later though. Too tired tonight.


This was all stock, with auto voltages, HWinfo was showing 4,800 on all 8/16 during R15.

 

That's really strange. Did you figure it out yet? If not, maybe check EVGA forums to see if others experienced this and found a solution.

Sheesh, that list of RL issues sounds worse than I thought.

Glad you are happy. I hope your exploration reveals you got a strong chip. That picture is very blurry for some reason.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...from-motherboard-behind-cpu-backplate.273740/


This post and video with a different brand board describes the issue exactly to a T.

I know it isn’t a motherboard problem. Because it only happens with the Z490 Dark
KP 2.01 bios. And it also did the same noise on a 10850K too. So it’s certainly something up with this bios. I’m gonna see if there is a older Rocket lake bios to try out.

My motherboard is on a test bench directly beside me, so that amplifies the problem.

 

So my 11900K is in TVB 24/7. It runs very cool what can I say. I thought the stock all core was 4.8Ghz. The stock speed is 4.7Ghz all core.

Based on reviews with a 360AIO these chips run 82C under heavy load. I haven’t gone past 57-61C. So they run very very cool on my setup.

(Awesome Cooling parts)= (Money well spent)


It’s actually really cool to see this. Intel advertises thermal velocity boost as a “Performance boost for light work loads, for a quick period” but it’s always running TVB no matter my work load. Voltages are skyrocketing because TVB is always on regardless of an all core load or single core load.


^This is actually pretty cool, and explains why the cpu felt so fast for me.

 

Nice! Sounds like you got a good chip. Are you running 5.1Ghz all core 24/7? What voltage required under load for that?

 

That is with stock speeds. My cooling is very good, and the Intel Thermal Velocity boost is just always on. No matter how heavy the single core or multi core loads may be.

The R15 score is 4.8Ghz all core. This is with the default auto voltages. Which load voltage says 1.285V based on the debug LED readout on my motherboard under R15 load. HWinfo does report all cores running 4.8.

haven’t tried to OC yet. But I will after work today.

 

Alder Lake looking good.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/c...n-9-5950x-38-percent-ashes-of-the-singularity

 

Too many unknown variables to make that comparison really worth looking at.

 

That beefy cooling can really help. If you throw in a delid, it will get even better.

Stock all core is 4.8. Every chip across three motherboards on auto running CB23 is 4.8. 11700k is 4.6. I've never had an 11900k default to 4.7 all core ever on auto stock.

What's the watts under load?

Some of the other 11900k's I had pulled 1.26 (203w), 1.264 (208w), 1.285 (214w) and one pulled 1.305 (228w).

The one that had similar pull under load as yours (1.285) hit ~68c on my EVGA 360mm AIO for a stock run 4.8 all core running CB23 pulling ~214w under load. It also needed 1.444 for 5.1 all core and pulled 317w. It "fell of the cliff" at 5.2 all core needing 1.518 and pulling 368w (!) and absolutely stomped my EVGA 360mm AIO.

Run CB23 for your test runs, make sure AVX offset = 0. That's how I run all my tests.

Even though my cooling isn't even in your ballpark, this is a stock 4.8 CB23 all core run on a Arctic LF 420mm AIO. Under stock CB23 load, it pulls ~1.236v. Fans don't even go to max (1341rpm (1800rpm max)).I plan on undervolting that even more when it ends up in an X170KM-G. It is already running at stock under the PL limits of the X170KM-G, so I know it is going to be an excellent sample for it when I get one eventually.

 

EVGA X570 Dark Review: A New AM4 OptionThe X570 Dark brings EVGA to the AMD fold, with an overclocking-focused flagship tomshardware.com | Today

 

Good portend of potential overclocking:

"The X570 Dark’s 90A Vcore MOSFETs handled our Ryzen 5950X without issue at both stock and while overclocked to 4.4 GHz. The VRMs peaked at around 44 degrees Celsius on the probes during stock operations, while the integrated sensor on the board peaked at roughly 48C. This is one of the cooler results we’ve seen, an expected outcome from an actively cooled VRM. While overclocked, the VRMs peaked at 47 degrees Celsius, another result on the cooler side of things. The large finned heatsinks and active cooling did their job and kept temperatures low. As far as fan noise, I could only hear them ramp up when powering on. Otherwise, I couldn’t hear the fans(even while overclocked) over the AIO and system fan. Noise is nothing to worry about, nor are the VRMs"

This looks like it may be the bees knees plus I love the consistency of the BIOS interface as I really love EVGA's BIOSes.

 

They priced it too high, it's almost $700 for this. I think it's really unfair pricing. Compare it to Z590 DARK we get a PCIe bus bump - PCIex4 length x1 4.0 interface and an M.2 with PCIe4.0 that's the only extra engineering cost for BOM but the rest of board got lesser copper and phases and one less PCIe M.2 SSD slot (Z590 version has 3xM.2 slots), I/O is same. Now if we look at top passively cooled AM4 boards - Aorus Xtreme X570 is same price. That board has more features and 10G LAN, USB ports and more sophisticated power delivery system too. Crosshair VIII Extreme is $800. Yep, this is purely OC board and no frills no BS and no drama unlike Gigabyte and ASUS. I was expecting $650 at max a $50 bump over Z590 DARK. Probably they see Zen 3D has a good potential for the 2022 ? since Ryzen 5000 OC seems like too much work for less reward vs Intel i9 10900K. If Intel launched 10900K with PCIe 4.0 my decision would have been made already lmao.

Also this is probably the old Matisse die silicon chip only from X570 same like Dark Hero and Xtreme passive cooling unlike the X570S silicon. Also note, funny part Tomshardware says no latest Audio codec lmao that bugged garbage ALC408x also note they say the DRAM is set to 1:2 by default and there are 2xASMedia SATA ports (while the official spec sheet lists as all are directly from chipset only).

All in all a fantastic board to the X570 platform, going to wait for reviews. All in all this board probably seems like a better choice over Crosshair VIII Dark Hero.

 

Seems a little late since AM4 is pretty much on its last legs.

 

I guess it pays to be on the top, that mobo is probably half the cost of my desktop lol

 

As much as I love EVGA, that's their modus operandi. Always very late to the party with the best hardware that is soon to be obsolete. But, since newer is often a downgrade rather than better (GPUs generally excluded) that's not necessarily totally bad. But, I do wish they would bring their badass products to market closer to when new products launch. Being more than fashionably late to every party is their Achilles Heel. I don't know why, unless the fact that they are comparably very small market share in the enthusiast component space makes them a low priority for their fabrication partners.

Yeah, it's stupid expensive. But, it does (at least in theory) seem to be the best option available. It will probably be the most stable overclocker (since that is what Dark boards are born to do) and the triple BIOS sets it apart from the gamer trash with a single BIOS.

I signed up for notification, but I am not 100% positive I want to spend $700 on an AMD motherboard when the technology itself isn't giving me many warm fuzzies. It looks as if it is going to be awesome though. I totally agree with you on the audio. I am glad they didn't include the latest trash chipset.

I hate that it has WiFi. I'd gladly pay less to not have it wasting any system resources, lowering performance and wasting space on the rear I/O shield. I have absolutely no use for it, and it will probably be an incompatible piece of crap with no W7 and LTSC driver support. I never once used the WiFi on the Z490 Dark. It was totally worthless to me. I didn't even install the drivers or take the antennas out of their sealed plastic bag... disabled it in the BIOS.

 

Brother Fox, I think you can remove the M.2 WiFi chip by removing the I/O and installing an old Intel 8260 card. At Win-Raid, a Crosshair VIII Dark Hero user did the same, so no more Intel AX200 or other crappy non Windows 7 compatible chip anymore. Also Luumi will definitely make a video on this board soon, it will be mighty interesting to learn about AMD AM4 Ryzen 5000 on an all out motherboard.

Last time when I signed up for Z590 DARK on 7/15 I got the notify just 2-3 days before the add to cart came lol. I think since AM4 is too hot for grabs, this will probably be 1-2 months more easily.

I actually got the Z15 replacement from Newegg and the new one is packed great, doesn't have any wobble or etc issue with the metal logo anymore and the KB is packed well. Played some DOOM Eternal and it feels awesome as It was before with first experience.

I forgot to mention, thanks for that pic. I figured out that RGB per-key works with that method, only downside is custom layers need the Unleash to run in background. I just came to know that all KBs including Corsair do the same (thankfully Unleash is not some NZXT or Razer Synapse level bloated trash). Apparently my guess is they use some programmed micro controller which has a hardcoded presets with small customization to them. And the custom ones are controlled through the software for each OEM. Small note - EVGA forum also got some info on the RGB SW and how to use by some folks. Plus there are some minor quirks with SW but I didn't have any of those (probably Windows 10 garbage exclusive issues), this KB even works in BIOS here that too with a Hub.

Anyways happy with my first Mech KB and that too an amazing value for money and even performance too. Esp in longevity terms for standard layout unlike Corsair for the keycaps, and hotswap switch.

 

It looks like ELEET X1 for X570 is going to be the only truly good Windows overclocking software for the X570 platform. TurboV Core is fairly decent except that it does not allow you to set anything per CCX. It only does all-core multiplier changes, even thoug the UI gives the impression that you can set a per-core ratio. TurboV Core also does not allow you to change from adaptive to static voltage. Ryzen Master sucks because it is so badly bloated and requires reboots for too many things for settings that don't stick in the BIOS, so either of these are a better option that RM.

 

I don't want/need WiFi, and ESPECIALLY NOT using PCIe lanes. Without PCIe WiFi you can install another M.2 in the 4x slot. With WiFi, you can't. If I needed WiFi I would just use a USB micro-dongle. I have one, but don't use it. It's for "just in case I do someday" and it's all I need.

Awesome, glad to hear that.

You can run the layers and save them to the keyboard as a profile, but I figured out you have to click through each of the 4 tabs (General, Lighting, Assignment and Macro) under the keyboard graphic before saving the profile or it does not stick. If you only go to the lighting tab without clicking on the others, several things do not save correctly. You don't have to make changes on those tabs, just click through them sequentially before clicking on the Apply button.

 

I will check the power draw again tonight on R23. I don’t have R20 or R23 right now. Only R15 installed. I was able to get a few minutes from work, and run R15 with HWInfo opened up.

I disabled MCE, and set a fixed all core of 4.8Ghz. Then I ran R15, and saw voltage around 1.272-1.275. My power usage was 215 watts. Radiator is passive

^ This is not looking good so far. Might just have to enable extreme voltage mode and blast it to death lol.


Should I get another one?





aleister crowley poems

 

With all of these "refreshed" X570 mobos, I think AM4 is here to stay until late 2022, so technically EVGA isn't late to the party. I do agree with you @Ashtrix and @Mr. Fox about a couple of things. First, I wish they have included a 10G NIC and I don't use WIFI on my benching rigs (unless retired). My house is setup for 10G and I don't really need all of those SATA ports (who's going to really use this board with massive amounts of storage?). I also don't need the ARGB headers. With all of that said, I am excited to see this board in action.

 

Even nearer the EOL date for this AMD platform. Just hope that AMD push a new chips that can beat the coming Intel Phone core chips

Test the OC potential before you decide what to do.

 

Definitely test the OC potential, but that one is tracking just like the one sample I had at lower frequencies (~215w) but pulling a little less under load; its V/F curve can change for the better (or worse) >5ghz.

Rerun with CB23.

You can go yolo as I said before and set to 1.425 and try 5.3 all core CB23 and see how it handles it.

 

More recent Corsair boards have adopted standard layouts. Even the "budget" K60 with Cherry Viola switches is this way, though the caps on the SE version you can get from Best Buy are pretty high quality so unless you want a custom color or something there's not much reason to change them.

I've got a couple Razer boards in my basement because right now I'm rolling a Logitech G915 TKL. While its keycaps are (for all intents and purposes) not replaceable, I'm really digging the low-profile switches. Not that I'd want to change them because the white board I have looks amazing.

 

@electrosoft


If I can post at 4,000Mhz memory gear 1 with a 1:1 is that a miracle?


Also, I ran R23 all cores 4.8Ghz. The voltages and temps are practically identical to R15. However, power usage has hit 228 watts. I do have “Multicore enhancement enabled” (MCE) apparently, I thought I turned it off.

I’m messing in the bios, and reading information about it all right now. But I have a screen of R23 with HWInfo up. Unfortunately it was a 228 watt max on the CPU package. Voltage still between 1.272 and 1.277 range. PS. My rad fans are all turned off with zero stop fan feature, this radiator has a pretty low FPI so it works extremely well with no fans or barely turning fans at all.


Does MCE enabled affect auto voltages on these? It essentially enables unlimited power limits, and a few other things. But I am still not that knowledgeable in Z490/Z590 platform yet.

 

My approach is to just max out the power limits so I don't ever have any reason to have fart around with them and then I can concentrate on voltage. A processor will use whatever power it needs and I can't think of a reason to limit that unless you enjoy throttling. If you set it high enough to avoid throttling, you're removing the limit even though you're not making it "unlimited" which is nothing more that silly semantics. So, IMHO trying to set power limits is a monumental waste of time. There shouldn't be any. Max 'em out and burn calories on something else.

 

Are you posting or booting at 4000mhz and what voltages?

As @Mr. Fox said, MCE on and let your CPU have all the power it will ever need. No need to gimp it. 11th gen is crazy hungry for power and can run pretty hot (understatement of the year).

228w max isn't the end of the world but that is not great; you're going to overclock it so the real test will be when you start pushing past 5ghz but I have a feeling you have a gas guzzler but it might run cool so you never know.

Acid test really is leave mem/cache on stock and try 5.3 @ 1.425 and see where it lands and if you have to scale up or down. Just know when you push cache and mem those temps and pull are going to climb too but if you can't even get it to run taking mem and cache out of the equation, that takes care of that.

For my approach to 11th gen:

I initially gave all my chips auto runs at 4.8 scaling by a bin till they crashed to at least get an idea of what they did on auto leaving cache and mem stock. When they finally crashed, I scaled by .25 till it either passed or I hit an uncomfortable heat/Vcore level then pushed on. Once I had that mapped out, I started where I gave up the ghost and tried to dial that in. Step down dial that next bin down in. Which each bin dialed in I then went back to stock and worked on ascertaining my IMC strength with loose timings in gear 1. You know your kit won't be the problem for gear 1 so that isn't part of the problem.

Then I picked a priority. Optimal memory settings or clocks? I would do both. Making memory the priority for seeing how high your chip can go then flip the script and see how high your chip can go with looser / slower timings while running benchmarks and AIDA for kicks to see what landed me in that perfect place.

Then you pick each approach and push cache but it will fall off too somewhere and push temps/pull and add instability.

But that was a Q&D guide to my approach to 11th gen. Everyone else has their own methodology.

 

Really excellent down and dirty tutorial, and explained very well. I like the approach. Especially the acid test. If it doesn't pass that, do not pass go, do not collect $200... you lost in the silicon lottery and your CPU sucks.

 

Alrighty, so I have been very busy. So tinkering with this new toy has been something I have been itching to do. This platform runs like an animal box stock! Something I have just never really experienced before. And it’s that IPC that helps so much. However, after actually getting some time to play with this platform, and run some benchmarks, tune it up! And make sure it’s actually performing properly. Turns out, it isn’t performing properly. There has been some new discovery after getting a chance to mess around with it for more than a few minutes at a time. Nothing particularly wrong with the CPU though, or the platform. But there may be a bad combination going on here.

Getting back to the original R23 post first though,

Evga bios has a setting called Vcore guard. So I disabled that, and then ran R23 again. Vcore guard enables a setting that forces Intel voltages guideline standards. Same all core OC of 4.8Ghz with just auto voltages. After disabling Vcore guard, the bios voltage also reports 1.007-1.010 on the cpu idle voltage.

R23 is around 1.257V now reported by HWinfo. However, my motherboards debug reports 1.227-1.230V while the test is running under load. Maximum power consumption is 204 watts. Last but not least, this CPU failed [email protected] pretty dang hard. But that’s ok, not the end of the world.

The largest issue is making sure the entire platform is running correctly. I’m struggling in the OC department with this 11900K. It runs fantastic stock. But when it comes to overclocking/XMP/ and memory tuning. That’s a whole different story. The biggest issue at hand, my memory bandwidth in Aida 64 is reporting 30-32GBPS bandwidth. Yes I am in dual channel. I have tried Gear 1 and Gear 2. I understand that Gear 1 is odd numbered mem freq, and gear 2 is a even number memory frequency. Even though the bios says it’s running gear 1, several apps within windows10 report gear 2. I reinstalled the bios with the 11900K installed, just to make sure nothing wonky happen, because I originally installed this Rocket lake bios 2.01 with a 10850K installed.

I don’t know if it’s the Z490 chipset with comet lake, or the 2.01 bios that is very pre-mature. (Newest bios available as of typing this, 2.01 added rocket-lake support and it was released 5 months ago)

I initially thought I was running a Gear 1@ 4000Mhz on the memory. The bios said I was, I knew better though of course (I was thinking average silicon, and a good IMC good enough for me). Then I go run a bandwidth test through AIDA64 I see my memory bandwidth is 32GBPS, and I confirm Gear2. It is possible the test is wrong, but I doubt that. I cannot get gear 1 to stick for some reason within windows. I have tried auto memory mode, XMP memory, manual memory. Even the native DDR4 3200 speed which is supposed to run Gear 1. It is always gear 2.

I have tried reseating the cpu, and the memory. And a few other general things. I wish Evga gave us another option here for the bios.

I can usually get things running pretty well. There is a small learning curve with anything. But something isn’t quite right here.

Not to mention. My dropped memory channel LED’s are always on lol. (Yes! This is a first for me) usually that means you have a dropped channel. I stare at them religiously when I overclock things. It’s interesting how they are on even in windows while doing things lol. Stock, or not. Those red Dimm lights are on.

 

This may not be an appropriate comparison, but I have the 11800H MSI with 3200 Crucial Ballistix Memory and I couldn't get it to run in Gear1. The solution was to use manual memory settings and then just punch in the exact same XMP settings and it worked. Not sure why that would make a difference but it's what worked.

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It could be that. The firmware more likely than the hardware. If that is the case you can't pass judgment on the CPU 100% because the results might be skewed by buggy firmware. It may turn out to be fine after another firmware update.

Or, it could be that the architecture is just another sucky bugfest, like Ryzen, if you try to do anything impressive with overclocking. I am really getting sick of having to fart around with a system that won't POST every morning unless I power off the PSU, enter the BIOS in Safe Mode once, then save and exit. I didn't have to do it this morning, but it is very rare that after it has been turned off that it will POST on the first attempt. Sometimes it takes 2 or 3 attempts. I didn't buy this to run it stock with BIOS defaults.