Want to buy my first gaming desktop...need advice.

So im thinking of building a new gaming desktop and have been looking at ibuypower. I am sort of new to this so i have a few questions. There are alot of different options when it comes to power supplies. How important is it to get a bigger power supply and is it needed?? I will be getting a 8700k with liquid cooling and will def be doing some overclocking. What level power supply would you recommend? Also just for reference i was either thinking of going with a gtx 1080ti or gtx 1080ti in SLI. which brings me to my next question. For now i will just be doing 1080p gaming but my monitor is 144hz and i want to maximize my fps to really enjoy that high refresh rate. Will a single gtx 1080ti get me there?? Overclocled with an overclocked 8700k as well?? Its pretty expensive to add a 2nd 1080ti so i thought id get peoples opinion on that.

Also for the 1080ti they say a couole different version...one is EVGA and the other is MSI. Whats the difference between the two and which do you think is better if one is better?? Also is 16gb ram enough or should i go to 32gb?? Thid will strictly be a gaming rig with occasional web browsing use.

Sorry for all the questions guys i just wanna make sure i get what i need to build the monster pc ive always wanted. Thanks in advance.

 

850W should be enough for that system if you are going for SLI. I'd recommend going for 1000W if you want it to run a bit more silently. Most important thing though is to make sure its of high quality, at least gold.

For a single GPU 750W should be plenty.

If you want a true balls to the wall system then go for SLI, certain games will see large benefits but many are poorly optimised for multiple GPUs. Depends on the games you are playing. For practicality though a single GPU will be enough for most games. What i'd suggest is you go for 1 GPU for now and spend the extra money on a high quality PSU. Then if you feel the need to add SLI in the future you'll have a PSU capable of running it.

 

Ya thats what i was reading about sli too, that most games are poorly optimized for it. Im most likely going to go for the single 1080ti. Ill spring for a good power supply too.

Question: since im buying a desktop i can upgrade the components later down the line correct? Like say next year when volta comes out i can upgrade ny gpu to a newer one correct??

 

It's probably true that a GTX1080Ti would probably kills most anything right now and two GTX1070Ti might be nipping at the heals of single 1080Ti but will play second fiddle still. But alot will depend also on the GPU RAM the more the better. Overclocking will work for some and not for others that is the nature of OC. Also make sure you PC Ram is at least 16G DDR4 all matching not mix. This could be two RAM for 16 or 4stick for 16 but I would go for 2sticks 16 then later upgrade with same match to go 32G RAM. So don't go less for RAM either. Also your case if you do go cooling make sure it is midtower that will insure good cooling. Anything smaller and you will have heating issue and wiring and plumbing issue how to reroute cable and hoses not a fun thing to mess with. Reason more GPU RAM is related to 4K and and multiple monitor setup to power those resolutions.

I like the MSI GTX1080Ti or MSI family line they have a good cooling design that only one or both comes out when needed. And my experience with MSI line is they are built heavy and does what it does without fuss. My current line is MSI GTX1060 6G not a 1080Ti-I don't game like I used to do but I do have Witcher I-III and COD WWII so those will push my single GTX1060 6G hopefully not to breaking point. As for monitor if you plan on 4K you will need to get a 4K monitor and two GTX1080Ti in SLI to get to that mode if that is your future plan. But make sure if I was you to get a MSI GTX1080Ti and then later get another MSI GTX1080Ti-I know that sounds silly but I rather have matching hardware incase you use OC software for both cards would insure they both follow the same step process embedded in their chipset. Most would say it doesn't matter but to me if you really want Oomph match the GPU less you have to worry about one not able to keep-up with the other when push comes to shove.

We give our build experience and opinions and what you take from that and do with it will be up to you. It's easier to learn from others mistake then to make them yourself when hardware can be a expensive as you go for the Gold. And last as anything this is from a Gamer now less of a Gamer...but I most gaming on Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3DS XL now. I plan to get a Gaming laptop in the future so I can go portable with my PC games that is the future plan. But do research what you expect to get out of it to know what you get in the end is what you want as well.

 

Okay so....

1. I would definitely recommend a single GPU over SLI myself. I do not use SLI and have not actually owned a computer with an SLI setup but the results are very mixed. Some games have bugs and issues and do not work correctly with 2 cards, some it does not make a difference, some you will notice a significant difference. It's worth noting that there may be games that actually run worse in an SLI setup, or are unusable or unplayable with SLI turned on and needing to be disabled for certain games. A 1080TI is an extremely powerful card and should be able to run most games at 144 or above 100 FPS even at the highest settings, especially if you are using 1080p. If you really need SLI and want a second card you can add it in later, but I would 100% recomend a single card. For SLI you are usually spending 100% of the price, for MAYBE 50% of the performance in most games.

2. For a PSU I would recommend 750W or higher, I prefer getting a bit more powerful of a PSU than I need so if I add things in later that may require more power, I have the ability to support it without having to upgrade my whole power supply and rewire my computer. If you are looking at or thinking about doing SLI in the future, especially with 1080TIs I would recommend looking towards a 1000w PSU. I think it is also good to have "extra" power in the PSU so if you are running at full load on all of your components, your PSU is not pegged and running at 100% as well and still has wiggle room.

3. 16GB is definitely enough for memory, and again you can buy 2 of the same sticks and upgrade that to 32gb down the line if you really want to or feel that you need the extra memory but for gaming and web browsing 16 should be more than enough to start with.

4. As far as GPU brand, to be honest I don't think it matters a whole lot. Some people prefer different brands and like to stick with one and support them, other people buy different brands depending on the design and style and color scheme of the card and how it fits with the rest of their build. For the most part they should all be very similar in clock speeds and perform fairly evenly, with some of them potentially having a bit better cooling. If you are adding water cooling to the GPU, then the stock air cooler is kind of irrelevant for you.

Lastly, why are you buying a desktop? Do you not know how to build one yourself or have any experience with it, or know anyone who can build computers and help and or teach you how to do it? Reason I ask if you are going to be paying a premium and more expensive prices to buy a pre built machine vs building one yourself. You also will have a lot more limited part selection on a pre built machine than a self built one. Another thing I would be concerned about is shipping a fully built machine like that. I know it can be done and these companies make livings off of it, but I would be very weary of the stress that can go into a machine when it is getting shipping around and constantly moved around. Especially if you get it with water cooling and they have everything filled and ready to go for you, I do not know how comfortable I would feel with something like that being shipped to me, especially if it is using some sort of hard tubing and getting bounced around.

If it is at all an option I would highly recomend building your own machine instead of buying a prebuilt one. The hardest part about you building a computer right now would be actually getting your hands on an 8700k CPU, everything else is a walk in the park. If you want liquid cooling you can buy all in one units, or if you feel comfortable and really want to do it right you can try and do your own custom water cooling loop. I wouldn't recommend this for your first build though. I've built many computers for myself and friends and feel extremely comfortable working inside of a computer however on my new build I am going to attempt my own custom loop and while everything else in the machine I am fully 100% sure in myself that I am capable of building it, my own hard tubed custom loop is definitely giving me anxiety about delving into.

 

Out of curiosity, any update with what you ended up doing?

 

So i havent really made a decision yet. Im most likely going to wait until my birthday in April. Ive been going to ibuypower and building the pc i want. Its nice because they give you a 3 year warranty. But i also like the idea of picking the parts out myself at micro center. Im not really sure what to do. But im waiting because i want to see if the rumors are true about the new intel cpus coming out in early 2018 and the new nvidia gpus getting announced supposedly in February. Not because i necessarily want to wait for the new stuff but because then an 8700k will be cheaper and hopefully a 1080ti will be too.

But to be honest im not really waiting for that. Im waiting cuz my wife wont let me buy until my bday haha im man enough to admit it. But hey at least im getting it. N now i have time to reasearch and really put some thought into what i want.

What would you do?

 

I would do what you're doing... Make my wife happy by doing what she wants me to. Good wives are far more important and harder to come by than good computers.

I've had mine 31 years and love her more than when she was brand new. Computers never last anywhere near that long, and after a year or two you're ready for something better even though it has plenty of life left in it.

Waiting when you want something sucks. Patience might be a virtue, but it is always inconvenient. (Never pray for God to grant you patience, LOL.) But, it does offer the advantage of better prices (usually) and a better selection of options to choose from when the time comes to drop a bunch of cash on new hardware.

 

Haha always. I was asking more of where i should buy from as in ibuypower or micro center...i would never cross the wife...shes of asian descent and has quite the temper lmfao. I dont mind waiting. Im learning about what to get n what not to get. I just cant decide to order from a company like ibuypower or go to microcenter n pick out the parts myself.

 

Price it both ways and see how it compares. Ideally, build it yourself. Definitely more gratifying. But, if it is not going to save you any money, it is nice to have a full system warranty in addition to the manufacturer warranty for each individual part.

 

Most importantly, with wives there are no more sells of the same model if you miss the first promotion. And finding another compatible model usually means doing the hard work all over again. Standardized mass production was revolutionary indeed.



Jokes aside, to answer OP's question, when playing titles where you can benefit significantly from a high fresh rate, latency would become important as well. And assuming equal throughput a 2-way SLI/CF system would have at least twice the average rendering latency, if not more, than a one GPU system. Therefore, if you're not sure, always go with the one GPU solution.

 

Im only looking at a 1 gpu system. Most likely a 1080ti unless there is something new from nvidia by april of next year. I have an asus 144hz 1080p monitor so u want to be able to push as many frames as possible at 1080p to really enjoy that 144hz refresh rate. I think a 1080ti plus an 8700k slightly overclocked with a really good liquid cooling solution should be perfect.

 

I love SLI (always have because I am an overclocker/bencher and love chasing numbers) and I can hardly wait until I have the money needed to add a second liquid cooled 1080 Ti to my system. I am using the time I have with one GPU to rack up all the points at HWBOT that I can because I know as soon as I add the second GPU I will never be interested in running single GPU benchmarks again, LOL. That's the only real down side to having SLI. You don't care about single GPU performance any more because it doesn't matter.

But, I can tell you that what you are saying is 100% correct for playing games. I have an ASUS 144Hz 1080p monitor and my desktop with 8700K running 5.0GHz on all cores, RAM at 3400, single GTX 1080 Ti just running stock, I am seeing an average of 175-200 FPS in BF1 with Ultra graphics settings. Everything I play is as smooth as silk on this beast. CPU maxes out about 68-70°C and GPU maxes out around 38-42°C.

 

I would like to have my 1080ti liquid cooled as well. Where did you get a liquid cooled 1080ti?? I remember that you ordered your system from ibuypower correct?? But when i was on their site the highest liquid cooled gpu was a regular gtx 1080. Did you do it yourself?

 

Yes, I bought the kit and added it myself. As long as the 1080 Ti has a reference layout (EVGA SuperClocked 2 Black Edition does) the EVGA Hybrid Cooler (AIO) fits perfectly. I bought mine from B&H Photo.

In order to hold boost clocks on Pascal, you really need this. Otherwise, you will have diminished performance LONG BEFORE the GPU even gets warm. "Thermal throttling" starts at an asinine temperature like 45-50°C and by the time you hit 70°C GPU boost essentially doesn't even work any more. Extremely retarded how NVIDIA did that. And, with the AIO I almost never see even 50°C, even with a massive GPU overclock.

Anyhow, for $149 you can't go wrong. Here is a link to it: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1351746-REG/evga_400_hy_5598_b1_gtx_1080_ti_sc.html

 

Thanks for the link!! How hard was it to install?? Also do you think micro center would sell this?? Because if i decide to have them build it for me i could just purchase it there and have them install it with everything else.

And i would absolutely love to build this myself but i have never done it before. This will be my first gaming pc as i have always been a console player. Ive def considered it but im just afraid of spending almost 3 grand on this only to have it not work because i screwed something up during the build process. My plan is after this purchase to later on buy some cheapo parts n practice putting it together myself.

By the way u said you had asus 144hz monitor??? Is it by chance the vg248? Mine needs some color adjustment from the factory settings. Right now i only use it for my ps4/xb1s until i get my pc. So i was looking for some decent settings to make the color accuracy better.

 

Micro-Center probably does. To me it was not difficult even a little bit, but if you are not comfortable doing the work or tend to break things, then have them do it for you. What seems easy to me might not be very easy for the average person. I'm just an old motor-head that decided computers were better to work on than cars. Lots cleaner, too. There are about 30 really tiny screws (00 size Philips head) and a few wires to unplug. Pretty straightforward procedure, but be gentle. If you try getting too rough with any of it something could end up broken. The instructions are poorly written and some of the pictures in the instructions are such lousy quality and so small that you cannot tell what they are trying to depict. However, if you follow the steps and re-read some sections 3 or 4 times until you can figure out what the person meant that wrote it, I don't think you can go wrong. The instructions are also written for multiple GPU designs and you have to skip over the paragraphs that are not relevant to your GPU design. It took me a few minutes to figure that part out, and before I did some of what I was reading did not make a lick of sense.

 

GTX 1080 is more than enough..

 

Unless you want more, and then it's not. It does do a fine job for playing games.

 

He's 1080p gaming with a 144hz monitor.. 1080's in SLI may be the sweet spot, but SLI 1080ti.. that's for 4k ultra and we know it!

 

I thought tho for sli its more dependant on the game and how its optimized for sli if it is at all. I was told with the pascal cards a single 1080ti will be as good as sli with todays games.

 

1080 in sli is just marginally(10-25% depending upon the optimisation of sli) better than a single 1080ti at 4k ultra.

 

SLI is generally awesome for overclocked benching. For the most part, having a decent game playing experience does not require high end hardware or a lot of horsepower. The exception is 4K, but whole idea of 4K gaming is pretty much hokey gimmick fad crap, too. A lot of people with 4K displays run 200% scaling, which gives you the same usable screen space as 1080p so there is no point in it unless you need it for professional work related to things like imaging. It is a total waste of money for gaming and actually degrades the experience.

 

@mr fox, by an chance can you post your color/brightness settings for your asus 144hz monitor?? Mines still at the factory settings and i want to try and make it look better.

 

Hi bro. Happy Sunday.

I am just using the monitor defaults for sRGB mode over DisplayPort. I haven't changed or tweaked anything else as far as color or brightness, and I think it looks great. I also have SmartView disabled and Adaptive-Sync turned off. All of these settings are adjustments native in the monitor controls, set using the OSD UI.

 

Ok cool thanks. I cant wait to get my gaming pc so i can really enjoy this monitor and 144hz. April isnt that far away but its gonna feel like an eternity lol.

 

This is why you see a lot of workstation machines with 4K while gaming machines focus on refresh/latency. But for some reason you always see complaints that such and such a gaming model still has FHD.

 

Yeah, I don't get it either. Probably a lot of that mindless blabbering is from people that want whatever the fad happens to be with their friends on Facebook or to feel like part of the schoolboy clique that loves 4K.

I really despise 4K. I know there are legitimate business purposes for it, but it's miserable (my opinion) for normal use. Having a pretty picture with screwed up scaling and such does not impress me at all. I think 1920*1080 and 2560*1440 are ideal for gaming and normal use. My preference is the latter, but I will take 1080p over 4K 100% of the time and never complain unless the panel is horrible quality and a real eyesore to look at.

 

A big 4K screen displaying native 4K content, great. A tiny 4K screen displaying upscaled content, what the heck is the point?

 

Exactly. With a nice big screen you can run 100% scaling and it is beautiful, text is still easy to read. It's a framerate killer for gaming, but a joy to look at in terms of picture quality and clarity.

On a laptop panel... even the biggest available... NOT!

 

And here we go again and again and again... There were plenty of threads dedicated to this topic on this forum. The answer was given every time, which gets ignored the next time this topic pops up.

Eyesight as well as reading habit can vary significantly among people. Some people run default scaling on 15"/17" 4K screens just fine. If you prefer lower resolutions, there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't question people who can utilize something you can't/don't and therefore demand it.

Games vary as well. Given the same limited GPU power Battle Field and Cities Skylines players will go with different compromises when it comes to resolution vs refresh rate.

 

Yup, and because it varies widely and many find it truly miserable, a person with no 4K experience needs to be particularly cautious about spending a butt-load of money on something that there is a really good chance that they will regret. They need to figure out what their tolerance for it is before buying and/or buy from a vendor with a very liberal or no questions asked return policy. It is never a good idea to buy anything expensive simply because it is a popular idea.

 

Unfortunately it's very difficult to filter actual human differences from post-purchase rationalization.

 

LOL. Probably darned near impossible. 4K is definitely recommended as a "try before you buy" scenario, especially for a laptop. Much easier to return a monitor to a local retailer than dealing with regrets on a laptop purchase.

 

Ive never really seen a reason to game at 4k. At least not now. I still game at 1080p n its more than fine for me...and once i get my gaming pc and i can utilize the 144hz refresh ill be in heaven.

 

Put this way unless you really stare hard at a 4K laptop screen or Desktop you will not see the subtle difference. I got a 1060 6G running a 27" 2556x1440 and I be hard pressed to see difference as 4K and the hardware require might burn down your house doing it. *pun* But doing everything 4K comes with a heavy cost and you might play one or two games that do 4K and the rest 1080p so what did one really gain? Nida....you could've enjoyed more at 1080 and got more hardware for that price like going 1080Ti and 27-30 IPS that would more then suffice your game adventures. But if you don't compete or do say HardCore then going 4K will give very little in return. One has to factor there is more then just oh hey I got 4K there comes a heavy cost to do it and unless you got $$ to burn you might get burned yourself in return.

 

Ya im planning on building my desktop in april. Unless something new comes out im nost likely going with a 8700k and vtx 1080ti. Im thinking i dont really need to wait for the new stuff tho. 8700k will be great for gaming for years and the new 8 cores coming out in 2018 probably wont do much in terms of performance for gaming. And that's all this is for is a gaming beast. I dont do multitasking or vid editing so 8 cores would be pointless for me. If the new nvidia gpus are lightyears ahead of the current pascal lineup than i might consider waiting for them but other than that i dont think ill need to.

 

Some people prefer slide shows over full-motion video.

 

Serious question. If you guys could only order from either ibuypower or from cyberpower which one would you pick and why?? Thanks

 

I agree with most of these members it all depends on what you are going for but ATM I WOULD NOT recommend going SLI too few new games actually support it I have a customer with dual 970 in SLI and just had to get rid of them and go with a gtx 1070 because of such little support from current AAA games for SLI along with 1x 1070 smashes 2 970 in VR If I were you I would get one TI atm just leave room for the second in the future and one ti will play 1080p max settings no problem. And if you are looking for the fastest boot/load times make sure you put a 128gb m.2 NVMe Samsung 960 pro or evo as your OS drive, and if you can put a m.2 NVMe 500 gb 960 evo for your games

On a side note, 2 rx 480 in crossfire has way more support and is just about as fast as a 1080 in stock clocks So in theory you can get 2 580's and beat it and be inbetween 1080 and 1080 ti in performance for like 3/4 of what your going to pay for that TI (depending on what you pick and if you get it on sale ect.) I just saw a 1080ti on new egg for sale for 699
http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemai...50091&et_p1=&email64=Z25wZmF0dEBnbWFpbC5jb20=

if you watch these two benchmark videos youll see what I mean
rx580 CF vs 1080

RX580 CF VS 1080 TI


the RX580 CF beats the 1080 in just about everything but dosnt quite beat the ti but its all up too you is that 200+ extra worth the 7-15 fps the ti is giving you? personally I don't think so and at only 1080p i doubt you need that much power id rather take that and get another or a bigger 960 evo or more ram ect

 

I would go cyber only reason is because not that I am a expert on their builds but from the few I have seen from both companies cyber uses higher quality parts but then again that could just be because the ones I saw were higher tier systems vs ibuypower, and to be honest your better off building it yourself or buying the parts and having a local shop put it togather for youi if you do you will save quite a bit of $$$

 

I like cyberpowers options better and and price is about the same between both companies. I actually think i might just wait until i go to micro center in march. I travel to ohio about every couple months and theres a micro center like 10 min from my hotel. I like the idea of picking out every part on my own anf theyll build it for like $150. I would build it on my but ive never done it before and i dont want to **** this build up cuz im spending about 3k on it. I want this to be my gaming beast and then later on ill practice my first build on something with cheaper internals. Maybe build something cool for my wife. Im trying to get her into gaming haha.

 

For sure I completely understand but if I were you I would have a local shop vs somewhere far jic you need tech support would suck to have to pay and wait for shipping when if you had a local shop build it for you you can drive there plus your going to get your parts a lot cheaper online vs microcenter

 

What model monitor do you have? I have an Asus VG248Q or whatever, and I found the colors to be quite a bit lackluster when I got it. I was able to find an ICC profile for this monitor to apply to it with instructions for what monitor color settings to have along with it. Once I did this it got better, but definitely still looked faded and I was not completely happy with it. At the moment I end up running the ICC profile for my monitor and I turn on "Digital Vibrance" in Nvidia control panel to about 85%. This is a pretty good set up that I use throughout all of my games and desktop settings. I love this monitor, the performance of it is great but the color quality, especially out of the box really is not/was not the best. Everything looks very faded/washed out but using ICC profiles and digital vibrance I am able to get it looking pretty good. If you have the same monitor as me there are definitely ways to fix it, and I am sure your monitor does as well if it's a different model. I would google "Asus XXXXX color profile" and you will probably find threads with people talking about it and providing their own windows color profiles. Start with that and then look into digital vibrance.

As far as online vs Microcenter being cheaper, I think that is debatable and I would definitely recommend checking out a store first. I got my Aorus Gaming 7 motherboard at Microcenter for over 50 dollars off, only a week or 2 after they released. I did not expect any sales or see anything online and with everything being so new I did not expect any sales so I went to the store just to pick one up and not deal with shipping and it ended up being cheaper. I also got my 5820k there a couple years ago for quite a bit cheaper than they were going for online. That being said, the power supply I am looking into for my new PC (Corsair AX860) was about 50 dollars more expensive when I bought my motherboard than it was online. Microcenter typically has good prices from what I have seen in store to compete with online retailers and usually has a lot of sales going on.

I understand the want for a full system warranty, or the piece of mind of having someone else do everything for you but I highly recommend thinking about building the machine yourself and picking out the parts yourself. It will (should) save you a bit of money, and it will allow you to get specifically everything you want. Get parts from brands you want instead of potentially being limited to founders edition cards, or whatever version of the card they put in their prebuilt machines. You will also be able to really get something you like. Find a case and color scheme you like along with parts that match the color scheme etc etc. It is also very rewarding, and it will teach you a little bit more about computers as you build it if you do not have a ton of experience with them. On top of that, going forward when you have issues it may help you be able to understand your system and trouble shoot problems instead of having to call someone and take your PC somewhere. I was very nervous when I built my first desktop back in high school but now I would never imagine not building a new computer for myself when I needed one. I also realized once I got into it that it really is all just like a giant leggo set with more expensive parts. When I first started too I had to worry about PCI slots vs AGP and if I had a video card issue or needed to replace it or upgrade it for whatever reason and I'd have to deal with finding compatible parts for my setup...things have gotten much easier and streamlined now and it is (should be) a fairly easy process.

 

well generally from my experience I buy refurb or used, ive never had any problems and have been doing it for years, even when you save 5 here 10 there it adds up when your getting 10+ componets the PC in my sig I traded the alienware laptop in my sig for and the alienware laptop I got for a 500 kaby lake desktop build i made I just tweek and customize the system so they run way better had like 100 into the laptop it and put in another 7 between graphics card and 960 evo ect and I have that 1070 that's up for charity in the marketplace that came with this tower so for 1300 I have like 2600 in parts

well let me explain the back story, so I was watching my buddys dog he broke my laptop my buddy gave me 500 to replace it I took that 500 and build a g4560 gtx 1050 ti build, put it up for barter, had some guy trade me a ps4 psvr and games for the PC, traded that psvr bundle for that alienware in my sig tweeked it, purchased a 1080 and a graphics amp put it up for trade, this guy traded me that tower for the alienware + graphics amp so here it is 6 months later and I traded up to where I wanted to be with a total investment of right around 1300

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CPU: Intel - Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($220.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($245.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($95.03 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($95.03 @ OutletPC)
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi - Deskstar 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($159.48 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB TURBO Video Card ($534.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa N21 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Thermaltake - Smart Pro RGB 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - Archer T6E AC1300 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master - Devastator II Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($28.33 @ OutletPC)
Headphones: Logitech - G930 7.1 Channel Headset ($92.99 @ Amazon)
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Mine's not a gamer but I'm likely going to build her a media center / file server hooked up to a TV pretty soon.

 

If you can't give specs wanted how would you expect those whom do Serious Gaming laptop to reply??

 

Specs have nothing to do with that question. Im asking which site is more reputable and in terms of which has better tech support etc. I dont need to list specs for someone to tell me which company they like better and why. Thanks for your input tho...