Good day. Few years ago my sister bought a second hand HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor. Below is the spec for the PC:
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/hp/compaq_dc5800_small_form_factor_pc_ks738pa/225069/specs/
It originally came with Windows XP (downgraded from Windows Vista). Since the support for Windows XP has already expired, recently I installed Windows 10 on her PC. I noticed that it feels slow running Windows 10 on that PC.
I would like to replace the motherboard and processor of the PC, but I am not sure whether it is mini ITX or micro ATX. I tried to google, but so far all the website that I visited don't list the motherboard dimension for HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor.
Can anyone of you help me determine the size of the motherboard (mini-ITX or micro-ATX) that I should install in the HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor?
Thank you.
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Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
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From the link below, it looks like it's not a standard form factor so it's hard to say what will fit in there, but by the shape of that motherboard, it doesn't look like you can just drop in a standard format board without some modification to the case or other parts.
If it works, why not install a Linux distribution on it? Ubuntu or Linux Mint are easy to install and run very well on older hardware, and they are free.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Motherboard-for-DC5800-SFF-MT-Machine-461536-001-/140666855389
Linux Mint:
https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php
Ubuntu:
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
BTW, this thread will probably be moved to the desktop sub-forum.Faisal McMissile Damieya likes this. -
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Thank you very much for your reply. Thank you also for notifying that this thread will probably be moved to the desktop sub-forum.
All right, if the motherboard is proprietary and it is most probably impossible to install either Micro-ATX and Mini-ITX into the case, I think there is no need to proceed upgrading the motherboard and CPU. I will ask my sister whether she would like to do one of the following things:
1) To install Linux distribution on the desktop if she is willing to use Linux.
2) To buy a new case (suitable for standard ATX) if she still would like to have a new motherboard and CPU.
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tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...
If that decade old platform Core 2 Duo system is still running 1GB RAM and a HDD, yeah; that would be excruciatingly slow. Even with Win10.
Does she actually need a desktop? There are many mobile options that could be had for far less than a (quality) case, psu, M/B, CPU, RAM and a real O/S for users (i.e. not Linux) and the effort/time to put it all together.
Even a used older (mobile) platform has more appeal. Especially if you are then able to upgrade the storage subsystem to an SSD and at least 8GB of RAM or more.
Good luck on getting your sister a more functional platform (and don't limit yourself to any one form factor either when considering your options and hers).Starlight5 and Faisal McMissile Damieya like this. -
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Yeah, I just realize that the RAM is only 1GB. Before installing the windows 10, I actually installed my unused licence of windows 7 on that PC and it felt much more slower. I tried to upgrade the windows 7 to windows 10 (before the windows 10 free upgrade offer expired), but the PC hung while downloading and installing the upgrade halfway. I only managed to install windows 10 on that PC after discovering (from some websites) that we could also perform windows 10 clean install BUT using the serial key for windows 7 and windows 8 (serial key for retail version of windows 7 and windows 8, only applicable before the windows 10 free upgrade expired).
All this time the desktop was used by my sister and her 2 daughters mostly for surfing the internet (including youtube) and using productivity suite (Ms Office). With this kind of usage, I don't think my sister need a very high end gaming spec desktop.
Beside the desktop, my sister also has 1 netbook (lenovo) and 2 tablets (apple and samsung).
Somewhere around 2 years ago, the windows XP that came with the desktop became corrupted. the desktop became idle since that point onwards. I only tried to format and install the laptop with my unused windows 7 licence one week before the Windows 10 free upgrade expires (because I would like to upgrade my licence to windows 10)
Even if the desktop is not restored, I think my sister and her daughters may have no problem because she still has netbook and tablets.
However, if she still would like to restore the desktop, I will try to do whatever that I could (based on her requirement and budget).
P/S: The reason why I would like to suggest my sister to buy casing that can fit Standard ATX is because I think Standard ATX is one of the most commonly used size (but maybe I am wrong)
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OverTallman Notebook Evangelist
You probably have found out the truth about this desktop, but I'll add my 2 cents here:
The dc5800 SFF uses a proprietary motherboard, there's a cutout below the ports to accommodate the PSU, which is also proprietary. The expansion slots are arranged in BTX form (i.e. slots above ports). Forget about upgrading the mobo, you won't find one that fits except those from the dc-series SFF.
However, this thing does have some potential:
- The motherboard uses Q33 chipset, so you can definitely drop a Core 2 Quad into it. You may need to upgrade the CPU cooler (increased TDP from 65W -> 95W) but the stock cooler does look good enough to me, it even has a few copper pipes. Don't take the shortcut and buy a Xeon though, it'll mostly won't work, due to Q-series / X-series chipset limitation.
- The mobo has 4 DDR2 RAM slots, each slot can take 2GB at most so maximum memory is 8GB, just buy two pairs of used 2GB DDR2-800 RAM (from eBay or used parts shop) and fully populate the slots. 4GB is fine if you wanna cut cost.
- This thing should come with a fairly durable 300W PSU (it's a business machine after all), if that's true then you may even drop a GTX 750 Ti, then you'll get a very nice budget gaming desktop. However it must be low profile and preferably single-slot, double-slot one may probably not fit.
It all depends on how much you wanna spend on it. If you don't wanna fork out any cash then try running lightweight Linux distros instead, 1GB RAM isn't really enough for Windows since Vista. LXLE, Xubuntu, Bodhi Linux, Elementary OS, PClinuxOS... you have many choices.Starlight5 and Faisal McMissile Damieya like this. -
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@ OverTallman, Thank you very much for you reply. Instead of replacing the entire motherboard, you just remind me that it is also possible only to upgrade the RAM and CPU.
I have double-check the maximum RAM capacity at the following websites:
1) http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for//dc5800-series-(all-form-factors)
2) https://www.mrmemory.co.uk/memory-ram-upgrades/hp-compaq/business-desktop/dc5800-sff-microtower
Both websites confirmed that the maximum possible RAM capacity for this PC is 8GB (4 x 2GB). I will find out whether the DDR2 is still easily avaiable in my area (at reasonable price) or not. If not easily available, I will buy from Amazon, Ebay etc., provided that the price is reasonable.
I have also double-check the compatible processors with Intel® Q33 Express Chipset at the following site:
http://ark.intel.com/products/31917#@compatibility
There are even Core™2 Quad with 105 W TDP in the list. I think I need some time to go through the list. Will be back after I go through the list. -
tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...
Buying an 105W TDP processor that a sub 15W processor can outperform is not an upgrade (at any price).
The RAM might be worth buying (w/Win 10 x64 installed...).
Any other 'upgrade' to this system is $$$/effort/time down the drain (spend your sisters money more wisely).
Better yet? Don't spend anything right now at all (as she has other ways to get her compute fix, atm). Instead? Sell the system as-is (or better yet; donate it to someone less fortunate).Faisal McMissile Damieya likes this. -
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@tilleroftheearth, currently the PC feels slow while running Windows 10. The windows installed on that PC is Windows 10 Pro 64bit (because the serial key used for the installation is the serial key for Windows 7 Ultimate).
In your opinion, do you think the slow speed is caused by the RAM or the processor (or both)? If it is just the RAM, I am willing to upgrade the RAM to maximum 8GB. Otherwise, I think it is better to replace the case (and everything in it). -
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I wouldn't worry about the CPU as much as the RAM. It should come with a Wolfdale (45nm Core 2 Duo) which is still fairly usable nowadays. My dad's office still have two LGA775 towers as office machines (one with E3300, one with E7500, both with 4GB RAM and 250GB HDD, running Win 10 64-bit) and they do the job very well. But if you can give the CPU code then we'll see the situation.Starlight5 and Faisal McMissile Damieya like this. -
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@OverTallman, beside looking at the processor, is there any other way to get the CPU code? I thried to google, buy most of the website that I found only recommend to look at the marking of CPU itself. If there is no other way, I'm afraid that I have to remove the cooling fan, heat sink and thermal paste of the CPU just to look at the marking on the CPU.
Additional points after editing this post: I think I will ask my sister to proceed purchasing 2 x 2GB first. If it shows some improvement, then I will advise her to purchase another additional 2 x 2GB.Last edited: Sep 2, 2016 -
OverTallman Notebook Evangelist
Otherwise BIOS should also help identifying the CPU it has.
Going from 1GB to 4GB should give you quite an improvement on the responsiveness in Windows, 8GB isn't necessary for everyday tasks. Remember to fit the pair in slots with same color to take advantage of dual-channel memory capability. -
Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?
@Faisal McMissile Damieya what @OverTallman says. You should start with upgrading RAM. Core 2 Duos run Windows 10 pretty well except for bottom of the line models, which is not the case with yours - they just need more RAM. I suggest upgrading storage to 256GB SSD instead of upgrading CPU, which will improve responsiveness much more for less than $60; adding some used dGPU may indeed be a good idea too, but only if the machine is used for gaming. Bottom line, while quad-core would be great, I believe SSD is much more important.
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Noted. The first thing that I will do is to upgrade the RAM. After that SSD will be added (if necessary). The CPU will be the last thing that I will consider to upgrade.
I will update the result once the RAM (and also the SSD) has been upgraded.
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tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...
If this is the processor installed;
See:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E6750+@+2.66GHz
See:
http://ark.intel.com/products/30784/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E6750-4M-Cache-2_66-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB
Then I would suggest that it is both the CPU and the RAM that is limiting Win10's performance.
What is the price of the RAM for that old platform in your area? I wouldn't suggest testing with just 4GB (only). I would test with 8GB and see if the system becomes usable for your usage (or specifically, your sister's) then. For this to be worthwhile to me, I would be looking at spending less than $50 to $80 for the RAM, max. As I know the system will still be slow on a Core 2 Duo platform.
Adding an SSD would make it feel much more responsive but without one iota of extra 'performance' gained though. If an SSD could be added at a reasonable price for a reasonable capacity (min. ~500GB) and taking OP'ing into account, it may be worth it for you. But I do not see any SSD in that same $50 to $80 price range to consider putting into this system with those attributes.
Especially as the SSD will only help in responsiveness. The rest of the system will still be as underpowered as ever (it is still a decade old platform).
Hope this helps.
Good luck.
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Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?
@tilleroftheearth 256GB MLC SSD costs $53. 2x2GB DDR2 desktop sticks cost working with Intel cost $17, while 2x4GB will cost exponentially more. People run 10 on Atoms with 2GB RAM and 32GB eMMC - and this old machine will run circles around them after proposed upgrades.
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The photo above shows the information about my CPU and RAM. The information about the CPU is available here:
http://ark.intel.com/products/33925...r-E2200-1M-Cache-2_20-GHz-800-MHz-FSB?q=E2200
Meanwhile, the CPU benchmark is available here:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+E2200+@+2.20GHz&id=1136
Please advice if you think it is not worth it to upgrade the RAM to maximum 8GB (because the CPU is still too slow).
I will proceed upgrading the RAM if it is worth it. The DDR2 sold in my country is quite expensive, probably because it is a rare item nowadays. The brand new Kingston DDR2 2GB 800MHz is sold at my country for roughly USD29.84 per unit (USD119.34 for 4 units). I think it is not worth it to spend USD119.34 just to upgrade an old PC. However, I found a brand new Samsung DDR2 2GB 800MHz is sold at USD36.88 for 4 peices (4-piece kit) at the eBay link below:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Samsung-8GB-4X2GB-DDR2-800MHz-PC2-6400U-240PIN-DIMM-RAM-intel-Desktop-memory/391519251199?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=38530&meid=e1aac88a87fe41438acc824c671bca25&pid=100034&rk=1&rkt=8&sd=391519251199
So far I haven't consider purchasing a used RAM, because I'm not used to buying used items. Please advice if I should buy used RAM instead of new ones.
P/S: I just realize that the CPU fan for this PC is very noisy. After I switch on the PC, the fan is still not noisy while it is in BIOS. It starts to be noisu once the Windows 10 is loaded. I suspect that the generic drivers that come together with Windows 10 is not optimized for some of the hardwares. I will do one of the following things in order to update the drivers:
1) Use DriverMax (or other equivalent softwares) to upgrade necessary drivers one by one.
2) If still doesn't work, I will try to install the drivers for Windows 7, because the latest drivers available for this PC at HP's website is for Windows 7 (somebody suggested me to use drivers for Windows 7 if the dedicated drivers for windows 10 are not available)
If the noisy CPU fan problem cannot be solved, I think it is not worth it to proceed purchasing the RAM. I think it is better to advise my sister to purchase a new PC (or at least a new casing/chassis with new motherboard, PCU, GPU, RAM, PSU etc.) instead.
Thank you.Last edited: Sep 3, 2016 -
OverTallman Notebook Evangelist
Don't buy new DDR2 RAM in this time, they're way too overpriced. Go for used ones, the one you showed may be used but should be fine. I bought 200+ used RAMs throughout the year of fixing laptops and I only got a few duds, and most bad ones are SDRAMs. Seriously US$37 for 4 x 2GB DDR2 RAM is a damn nice deal, I bought two pairs of 2GB DDR2 RAM for £40 a year ago.
Speaking of the fan, have you cleaned the fan and replaced the thermal paste? Clogged fan and hardened thermal paste will do nothing but impede cooling efficiency. That's a very important maintenance for any computer, if not done then the fan will be loud even if you have a Skylake i7.
For drivers, yeah Windows 7 drivers will work in Windows 10, even Vista drivers and some XP drivers will work. Install them if available. Also check if there's some unnecessary background tasks running. A clean Win 10 installation does need some further updates and it can also temporarily contribute to CPU workload, thus heat and fan noise.
If possible, also do yourself a favor and buy a cheap used Yorkfield Core 2 Quad, a Q8300/Q8400/Q9300/Q9400 won't break your bank while still give you a big jump on processing power. Combined with 8GB RAM should cost around $70-80 and honestly you can't buy something that powerful for this money.
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Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?
@Faisal McMissile Damieya since you have 4 RAM slots, just buy 2x2GB from eBay for $17, you will have 6GB RAM and it will be enough. Also you definitely need other CPU, old Pentiums do not cut it because of very small cache. They run very cold for that very reason, so if it runs hot - repaste is required. You can get some better dual-core within $10 e.g. E6750, or get a Q6600 for $20. Since you have other machines as well, I suggest you don't cheap out on thermal paste, and get the best non-conductive one - Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, so that new CPU doesn't run too hot.
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For the same money ($10) can even buy a better E7500/E7600/E8300/E8400/E8500, at least in UK.
Q6600 is a cheaper quad core option as it's a Kentsfield (65nm). Just to remind, Q6600 has two mass-produced steppings: B3 (SL9UM) and G0 (SLACR), the earlier B3 has 105W TDP while the later G0 has 95W. If possible get the G0 stepping one. For the money of a slightly faster Q6700 (more expensive as it's one of the best C2Q for most 965 chipset mobos) I'd look for Yorkfield instead.
So basically there are a lot of choices for the upgrades.Faisal McMissile Damieya and Starlight5 like this. -
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All right. Thank you very much for the advice regarding the RAM and processor. Please give me 1-3 weeks to solve the noisy CPU fan problem (because currently I am busy with something else). If this thing is solved, I will proceed upgrading the RAM (and also the CPU if necessary). I will be back and update you guys once I solve the noisy CPU fan problem and upgrade the RAM.
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Good day.
How are you? I would like to inform that I have successfully upgraded the CPU of my ASUS A52JK laptop from i5 430M to i7 640M. Before that, I tried to upgrade the same laptop from i5 430M to i7 720QM, but the laptop could not be switch on at all. Assuming that the i7 720QM, I concluded that the laptop is compatible with Arrandale but not with Clarksfield. The detail of the upgrade can be found on the following link:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...40m-both-rpga988b.790773/page-6#post-10498685
After taking a break from this upgrade madness/obsession for a while, now I'm considering to upgrade the CPU of my sister's HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor. The current CPU is Intel® Pentium® Processor E2200 while the new CPU that I would like to install is Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9300. Below are the price of some of the CPUs that I found on ebay:
1) Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q6600 - US $13.00
2) Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q8200 - US $12.50
3) Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q9300 - US $21.00
I have checked the CPU ID and K0 stepping at CPU World website. However, I think the CPU IDs and K0 steppings are not the same, which are available in the following link:
1) Intel Pentium E2200
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Penti...57PG0491M (BX80557E2200 - BXC80557E2200).html
2) Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_2/Intel-Core 2 Quad Q9300 EU80580PJ0606M (BX80580Q9300).html
However, the website in the following link does mentions that HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor also have variant that comes with Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300:
https://h10057.www1.hp.com/ecomcat/hpcatalog/specs/provisioner/05/AK818AW.htm
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Now your HP has E2200 installed and working well, moreover the manual does say Q9300 was available as an option, so we can deduce Q9300 M0 should work straightaway.
Now about newer stepping CPUs, usually that means a newer BIOS is needed (microcode for newer CPUs), luckily there's already a successful case before: Q9400 (R0 stepping only) works in dc5800 SFF after BIOS update. Since R0 stepping CPU works after BIOS update, it makes sense the update also adds support to other steppings between M0 and R0, therefore Q9300 M1 should work. Theoretically Q9500 should also work after BIOS update as it's an R0 stepping CPU.
Make sure you update BIOS with your original CPU installed, or else you'll get "Microcode Update Error" in no time.Faisal McMissile Damieya likes this. -
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Thank you for your reply. By the way, I discovered the following link and it shows that the most powerful CPU that can be fitted on this PC is actually Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650:
http://whp-cpq.extweb.hp.com/cpq-products/quickspecs/12863_na/12863_na.pdf
However, the price of a used Q9650 on ebay is roughly 3 times the price of a used Q9300. I will proceed with Q9650 if I can afford it (and go for Q9300 if Q9650 is too expensive for me).
While searching for Q9650 on the internet, I found people selling Intel Xeon Quad Core X5460/E5450 that is modded into Q9650. I think I need some time to study whether this modded CPU works on my sister's PC or not.Last edited: Apr 25, 2017 -
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Speaking of Q9650, I have one unused but never got to sell it... well...Faisal McMissile Damieya likes this. -
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All right, understood. I will stick to the unmodded CPU.
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I know it works (pulled from my sis' LGA 775 desktop which still works) and I've never overclocked it in more than two years of use, hell I can even test it right now as I'm still running two LGA 775 systems in my home.
If I can sort out the payment and shipping method we can make a deal for sure, I'm happy to sell for a bit cheaper as long as you want one and you know your computer can use it.
P.S. This is the Q9650 I have, besides a few stains and marks on the lid it's in pretty good shape, no missing chips underneath, since it's always in a protective case when not in use.
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Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
May I know how much is the price that you would like to sell and which country are you in right now? You may PM me if you wish
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Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
Good day,
This time I would like to ask about RAM. I tried to search for DDR2 1066MHz RAM on ebay. So far I the only well known brand that I managed to find is as follow:
1) Samsung 8GB 4X 2GB DDR3 PC3-8500U 2RX8 1066MHz NON-ECC DIMM Memory Desktop RAM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-8GB...517438?hash=item51e9b8407e:g:Y2YAAOSw65FXtWxa
All this time I only have experience using Kingston. Is the Samsung kit above is enough for my old PC (HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor)?
If the Samsung kit above is not okay, then the only remaining option for me is to purchase GAMING RAM kit (ADATA, G.SKILL, HyperX, OCZ, Patriot, GEIL etc.). However, I'm not sure if this GAMING RAM is too much for an old PC
Thank you.Last edited: Apr 26, 2017 -
Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
I would like to inform you that I have received the CPU few days ago. Below is the results before and after the upgrade:
Before
After
So far I think the PC still feels laggy. I will proceed upgrading the RAM if necessary.Last edited: May 14, 2017OverTallman likes this. -
Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
Never mind. Take your time.
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Good day,
I would like to inform that I have received the used memory module that I bought from @OverTallman. The modules are 2 sets of 2 x 2GB DDR2-800Mhz from 2 different brands, which are:
1) Samsung
2) Elpida
The photos of the memory modules are shown in the photos below:
Below is the result after I installed that modules:
This is the first time I install multiple dual channel memory modules. At first, I mistakenly installed the modules based on the following configuration:
1) Samsung (Slot 1 and 2)
2) Elpida (Slot 3 and 4)
After reading the user's manual of the desktop however, I realised my mistake and correct the configuration as follow:
1) Samsung (Slot 1 and 3)
2) Elpida (Slot 2 and 4)
Even though the memory modules has been upgraded the CPU from Intel® Pentium® E2200 to Intel® Core™2 Quad Q9650and the memory modules from 2 x 1GB to 4 x 2GB, the desktop still feels sluggish, especially the first 5 minutes after Windows 10 startup.
After the memory modules have been upgraded, I immediately opened the task manager immediately after the windows startup and discovered that the memory usage is 2.2GB, as shown in the photo below:
At the same time, I noticed that the hard disk usage during the first 5 minutes of the Windows 10 start-up is almost 100%. Below is another photo:
Below is the information of the hard disk:
I think the speed of this hard disk is 7200RPM. I'm thinking of replacing the hard disk with SSD, but i need to check whether the SATA that comes together with Intel Q33 Express is SATA I or SATA II. If only SATA I, I'm afraid that the speed of the SSD will be reduced too much.
Thank you and have a nice day.Last edited: Jul 5, 2017 -
OverTallman Notebook Evangelist
Take a look at "Startup" tab in Task Manager and see how many startup programs your PC has, disable the ones that you don't need.
P.S. Most (if not all) 3-series motherboards have SATA II so no worries on the read/write speed.Faisal McMissile Damieya likes this. -
You could consider purchasing a small SSD drive for your PC. It will speed things up considerably regardless of whether your computer supports SATA1 or 2 speeds. I used to have an 80GB Intel SSD which I purchase used for $100 at the time and the random read and write speeds just blow mechanical drives out of the water.
Idle CPU usage of 20% is a bit high. As previously suggested, try check out what is running at startup in the background. Also, I really think that Windows 7 would run better on a Core 2 Quad.Last edited: Jul 6, 2017 -
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100% disk usage on startup might mean a single program is having/causing problems, task manager /performance monitor should give you percentages for how much each program is hitting the disk.
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Good day everyone. Sorry for a very late reply because I am a little bit busy all this time.
However, the photo above also indicates that the hard disk is no longer in good condition. I decided to do diagnostic using Western Digital's own diagnostic software, and below is the result:
Even though I only performed a quick test (as shown in the photos above), it still took more than 45 minutes to perform it (but still failed in the end). I think the culprit that cause the desktop to be sluggish right now is the hard drive, but I will perform the diagnostic one more time.Last edited: Oct 16, 2017 -
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Would be better if we can see all SMART readings, but yeah the hard drive may be on its last leg. If you can, back up important files ASAP.Faisal McMissile Damieya likes this. -
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Btw, may I know how to perform the SMART test?
1) The SSD can be detected by PNY's own firmware (as a proof that the product is genuine)
2) The health condition of the SSD (if the PNY's own firmware cannot display this, I told him to use a 3rd party freeware like Crystal Disk Info).
3) The total written byte of the SSD (if the PNY's own firmware also cannot display this, I told him to also use a 3rd party freeware like Crystal Disk Info).
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Below is the info regarding the used PNY CS1311 960GB SSD that a guy would like to sell to me at half the price. I plan to install this SSD to my HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor.
Crystal Disk Info did not display the 'Total Host Reads' and 'Total Host Writes' values, probably the SSD was put in an external drive enclosure instead of being connected directly to the motherboard via SATA cable. I hope the 'Total Host Writes' value is not too big (based on the quite low values for 'Power On Count' and 'Power On Hours'.
I have emailed PNY to verify the serial number - the PNY staff told me that the serial number is genuine.
I hope this is a good offer. If the speed improvement is significant (after the SSD is installed), I will add a graphic card to this desktop.Last edited: Oct 17, 2017OverTallman likes this. -
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Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
Guys, I have a problem. My HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor's fan produces a very loud fan noise. I can't recall whether this thing started before or after I upgrade the CPU.
At first, I just ignore the loud noise, hoping that it will slow down later. However the noise level maintains at the same level, plus the room temperature where I put the desktop increases to an uncomfortable level. I used to have a gaming customised laptop with an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ and people always make fun of how much heat does the AMD CPU generates, but I never notice/complain about my room temperature while using that customised AMD 2000+ gaming desktop.
There are 2 fans inside the control unit's case, which are the CPU fan and the power supply fan. When I open the control unit's cover, I notice that the onw that make the very loud noise is the power supply fan. The CPU fan is not noisy.
Now I suspect few things:
1) The Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9650 is faulty.
2) The Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9650 generates too much heat (95 W) versus the original Intel® Pentium® Processor E2200 generated (65 W)
3) The Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9650 is draws too much power from the power supply.
4) The power supply is faulty.
5) The chip set is faulty.
6) Other parts are faulty.
7) This computer is an old relic and no longer suitable to be used with Windows 10.
Below is the some of screenshots from the Speedfan:
The second photo was screenshot more than 10 minutes after the second photo. even though the temperature displayed in the second photo has dropped compared with the first photo, the fan noise is just the same.
Can anyone here please help me? Thank you. -
Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
1) The hot air is also coming from the power supply fan.
2) The air coming through CPU heat sink and fan is OK. -
A faulty disk drive can cause the CPU to work harder - this can be tested when you receive the SSD drive. TBH, an extra 35W TDP like-for-like is almost certainly going to make the fan run faster under use (Perhaps also under idle).
Interesting thread - I have one a similar system (DC7800p) sat around doing nothing - I was considering shoehorning a newer motherboard inside it for a project. Looks like the space inside will simply be too small though. Given there is no PCI expansion possible, upgrading it seems to be a lost cause. Buying a compact Micro ATX case seems the most sensible course of action. Shame, it's a wretch throwing things away but I can't really find a use for this system. -
Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
I just installed the PNY SSD and and install windows on that SSD today. Previously the desktop uses a no longer good Western Digital HDD - the noisy fan and thermal discomfort was already like that even before I replace the Western Digital HDD with the PNY SSD.
I still keep the previous CPU, maybe I can reinstall it as confirmation. -
Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
So far, I've been doing the following things, but the PSU fan is still noisy and overheating (BUT the CPU fan is OK):
1) Removed the upgraded Intel® Core™2 Quad Q9650 and put back the original Intel® Pentium® E2200 (just in case the upgraded CPU is the one causing the overheating).
2) Removed the upgraded 8GB RAM and put back the original 2GB RAM (just in case the upgraded RAM is the one causing the overheating).
3) Remove the DVD and floppy disk drives (just in case this drives are the one causing the overheating).
4) Removed the PCI wireless network card (just in case if the card is the one causing the overheating).
After being powered on, the PSU fan start to be noisy while it is still in the BIOS. The PSU fan becomes noisier once Windows 10 is booted.
I narrow down the possibilities as below:
1) The PSU itself is faulty.
2) Something wrong with the BIOS.
3) This computer is already too old for Windows 10.
The BIOS version is the latest version (v01.60 Rev.A, Nov 27, 2015). I think it is not possible to install previous BIOS versions, so I cannot test the previous BIOS version just.
The driver for the latest version of windows available from the manufacturer's website is Windows 7. At this moment, I still don't have time to test the performance of the desktop from while running Windows 7. However, my other PC (a laptop) perform better while running Windows 10 than Windows 7. -
Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
I suspected that the power supply was faulty, so I brought the control unit of the desktop to a refurbished HP desktop shop yesterday morning to get a new power supply. The shopkeeper requested permission to check the control unit before judging whether I should replace the power supply or not.
Co-incidentally, there was no overheating and noisy power supply fan at that time. The shopkeeper told me that both power supply fan and CPU fan are connected to the same controller on the motherboard. If the power supply fan is noisy and produces too much heat, that means the CPU is the one that is overheating.
I told the shopkeeper to try to connect the control unit to the internet to see whether the power supply fan is overheating and noisy during that time. Unfortunately, the shop only have wireless internet and I removed the PCI WiFi card from the control unit before going to that shop.
The inlet fan of the control unit was clogged with dust, so the shopkeeper cleaned the dust on the inlet fan (an also in CPU the heat sink) for me. The shopkeeper also advised me to downgrade to Win 7 if the desktop is still noisy and overheating.
I posted the same problem in a HP forum. Last night, one of the forum members replied explaining that after the desktop is formatted with Win 10, the Win 10 will communicate with Microsoft until it gets the latest drivers. As long as there is(are) still uninstalled driver(s), Win 10 will keep on contacting Microsoft to request for drivers. This continuous communication between the desktop with Microsoft to get drivers might be one of the reason why the desktop became noisy and overheating. To prove this, the forum member told me to disconnect the desktop from the internet and see if the desktop is still noisy and overheating or not. I didn't try it, but I think his explanation makes sense because in the paragraph above, I mentioned that co-incidentally the desktop was not noisy and overheating while being tested at the refurbished HP desktop shop (when it was not connected to both wired and wireless internet).
So far the desktop is no longer noisy and overheating. If everything is going on fine, I will replace the current Intel® Pentium® E2200 with Intel® Core™2 Quad Q9650 again. Thank you. -
Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
I have replaced the Pentium E2200 with Core2 Quad Q9650 again and am monitoring the noise and air coming out from the power supply fan. So far, the fan is is not noisy and doesn't produce hot air.
If everything goes on well, I will add a suitable graphic card to the desktop. -
Faisal McMissile Damieya Notebook Consultant
The PSU fan for my HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor is still noisy 70% of the time, depending on which website that I surf. However, this time the fan only make a noisy sound without heating my room to a non-comfortable level.
Ath this moment, I made assumption that the Intel® Core™2 Quad Q9650 that I installed on the desktop has too much TDP (95 W) compared to the previous Intel® Pentium® E2200 (65 W) that comes together with the HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor.
I'm planning to put back the Intel® Pentium® E2200 (65 W). If the noise level is managed to be reduced to a comfortable level, I'm planning to install Intel® Core™2 Duo E8600 (65 W), which is the most powerful 65 W CPU that is compatible with HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor (according to HP Compaq dc5800 Business PC QuickSpecs).
P/S: The guy in the following video claim that the CPU fan for his very old desktop with AMD Athlon 64-bit CPU also becomes noisy when it is running a 32-bit Windows 10 (he suspect that it might be worse if he installed the 64 bit Windows 10. I also suspect that this might be another reason why my HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor is still noisy up until now.
Would Like to Upgrade the Motherboard and CPU for HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor (if possible)
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