Toshiba A505-6965, C2D P7350, Windows 7 64, 4 Gigs RAM. Radeon HD 4570
External 1xPCIe set up. 9800 gt 1 gig.
Test results for x1 vs x1E
with my card on port 5 i have run test with x1 vs x1E speeds.
each benchmark was run at least 3 times, and the speeds noted.
all test were set at the default setting for the benchmark. all driver settings were set at default for the performance options in the control panel.
Devil May Cry 4 DirectX 10
DMC4 @ x1
1st= FPS: 62.36--51.87--81.27--35.56
2nd= FPS: 61.77--51.44--79.69--33.98
3rd= FPS: 61.15--52.61--84.05--35.22
DMC4@ x1E
1st= FPS: 71.70--58.08--96.60--37.82
2nd= FPS: 72.38--57.54--100.53--38.04
3rd= FPS: 72.87--57.12---103.17--37.82
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Resident Evil 5 DirectX 10
RE5 @ x1
1st= FPS: 79.7--39.9--32.0--40.2
2nd=FPS: 80.3--39.8--30.4--41.8
3rd=FPS: 81.3--39.0--31.4--40.1
4th=FPS: 80.4--39.5--31.1--39.7
RE5 @ x1E
1st=FPS: 84.8--43.0--32.3--41.4
2nd=FPS: 79.8--43.4--34.9--43.1
3rd=FPS: 86.2--43.0--33.7--43.8
4th=FPS: 85.3--41.8--33.2--42.5
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Edit: DMCDX10 at x1E and RE5DX10 at x1E. vs x1 info added
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Troubleshooting FAQ moved here.
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small power supply for a compact set up.
in the search for something that would sit nicely on my desk next to my computer i had to think small. that has led me to use a 300 watt 1U server supply. the 1I has the dimensions of 4" tall 8" long and 1 1/2 " wide. this is the perfect size to use in a small self made case of a small aluminium stand as i have done.
the metal was purchased at a local home depot and steel putty was used to hold it together. i was lucky to find the power supply at a local goodwill computer store for 10 dollars.
This power supply has a switch to turn the power on and off so you could use the paper clip trick to keep it powered or use the switch from HWtools. I have a switch attached to the 20pin connector.
as you can see the power supply is almost the exact same size as the card. i also have a 8800gt that i am using for testing and it is the same size as the card.
this is a great high power output option for any card that needs up to 300watt power for the card. newegg sells a 460watt power supply for 80 dollars.not the cheapest but for a watt to size ratio the 1U is the way to go.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104115
300watt at newegg
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1. When I run on External Monitor (cannot run on Laptop monitor for some reason) It works like a charm I noticed Crysis runs very fast on 1600x1024 (sorry dont have HD screen on External just 4:3 LCD) with All max settings 16QH AA , very smooth no lag no nothing.
2. When on external I can see my internal graphics card Geforce 330M in device manager with Code 43 "Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)"
3. I run driver update on Internal and it blinks screen and switches to internal card but still on External Monitor , GTX470 now shows "Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)"
4. so basicly I can use 1 of 2 cards at once with out modyfying anything at all with Vidock Boot disk (i didnt even use it)
Now I have 3 questions:
1st. How can I make GTX470 work with internal laptop monitor with out external?
2nd. How can I resolve driver conflict with 2 nvidia cards so I can use them both at once?
3rd. Is it possible to use 2 cards with my internal full HD screen at once? With hot swap option (by the way when I use internal screen I get Code 12 on GTX470)
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forgot to mention , I will make all screenshots and tests tomorrow , downloading 3dMark 2006 with both Internal and External card.
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Hey Guys!
Perhaps it is a stupid question, but if a laptop has a PC card slot and also an Expresscard slot is it possible to achive higher performance with a PE4H+EC2C+ECCB01(or something)? I mean to use PE4H with both Expresscard slot and PC Card slot?
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DEVICE MANAGER :
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Here is GPU-Z
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Among shots you uploaded is a unsuitable shot of device manager about device-view.
needed shots of device manager are about view of momory allocation by system.
these been shoted through [device manager] >> right-click menu [view] >> about [resource] >> then, shot right window after expanding [memory] & [I/O].
so.. 2 shots are needed, one for [memory] term expanded, the other [I/O] term expanded.
everest shot is GOOD..
m..m..
"Vide" means "empty" in English.?
i think your system can do working with DIY_ViDock in x1 mode at least & quite possible to work in X2 mode.
hd 5750 is so good.. and 5770 is better..
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Yeah, "vide" means "empty", that's right
Alright, here are the Device Manager Screenshots !
Device Manager | MEMORY Screenshot
Device Manager | I/O Screenshot
I think the Radeon 5750 is the best choice I have for $130 ; 5770 is a little too expensive here.
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Guys I need help, how can I change IRQ or I/O ports on external card? I dont want to sit on external monitor I want external card to work on my laptop monitor (when I boot with out card and then put Express Slot inside it cannot use Resources) So I booted with Card in Express Slot on external monitor, and I got following resources for external card:
Memory Range 00000000E4000000 - 00000000E5FFFFFF
Memory Range 00000000D8000000 - 00000000DFFFFFFF
Memory Range 00000000E0000000 - 00000000E3FFFFFF
I/O Range 9000 - 907F
IRQ 0x00000011 (17)
I/O Range 03B0 - 03BB
I/O Range 03C0 - 03DF
Memory Range 00000000000A0000 - 00000000000BFFFF
Now how do I transfer them so when I boot with out External GPU and then plug it in Express slot I will be able to use it on laptop monitor? I know it has to be done with ViDock Boot USB disk but I booted it up and have no idea what to do next. Help please. -
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...51-diy-vidock-experiences-51.html#post6193337
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you can check the thing with PCI-ExpressCard insertion to the express slot, and check the port in Everest' chipset south bridge monitoring.
if ExpressCard port number is #1, then you can do with DIY_ViDock additionally in x2 mode.
if ExpressCard port number is #4, then you can do DIY_ViDock only in x1 mode.
Do You have any ExpressCard (for example, PCI-E to USB2.0, or PCI-E to E-Sata.. etc) for the PCI-ExpressCard slot.?
then, check in Everest after insertion of the Card.
And then..... ExpressCard slot's port number becomes clear in Everest monitoring.
that shot be uploaded !!
BE.. sure.. to.. happy !!
And.. 5750 is GOOD CHOICE.
My Machine Spec is BELOW..
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It's so GooD .. & So IDEAL for this FORUM in MY THOUGHT.
With nando4' HELP, i've set that configuration on my system.
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Hello,
I have a Compal GL31, and I just received my PE4H. I plugged a Radeon HD 3870 512MB into the slot, made the laptop sleep (it's running Windows 7), connected the PE4H to the laptop using the ExpressCard connector, and then when I woke it up again, it's as if I had done nothing at all.
At first I thought the ExpressCard slot needed some drivers. But I can't find a single entry in Device Manager that says anything about ExpressCard. I apparently have an ENE 714 that controls the card reader as well as the CardBus slot, but ENE's website says nothing about ExpressCard. Still, when restarting the computer with the PE4H plugged in, the LCD stays blank as if it's trying to output from the video card instead (but the card itself doesn't output anything either, so I have to boot it up without the PE4H connected and only when I reach the USB Bootdisk then I plug it in.
Speaking of the USB Bootdisk, it doesn't seem to detect the ATi graphics card at all. I say that because whenever I press F3 to scan for devices, vid_0 shows 8086 27a2 (Intel) which is the GMA950. In fact, I'm starting to think that the ExpressCard slot on my Compal GL31 laptop isn't connected to anything at all, although the Radeon does know when I've unplugged the ExpressCard adapter and turns off the fan. Here's what the DIY Vidock USB boot disk says:
Code:p1@x2 8086:4222x1 (Intel) - that's the Wireless 3945ABG p3@x2 10ec:8168x1 - that's the Realtek 8168 NIC p4@x1
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i think from your shot that your system have a north bridge of 945 chipset series & south bridge of 82801 ICH7.
and for more clear understanding about your system, several shots be needed.
1) A shot of Everest ( system monitoring program) , Everest >> mainboard >> chipset >> [southbridge ] shot.
2) Device manager >> right-click menu [view] >> about [resource]
(1) one shot for [memory] term expanded view.
(2) 2nd shot for [I/O] term expanded view.
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But I've got many MINI PCI-EXPRESS (mPCI-e) slots. I've got two mPCIe cards (for WLAN and WWAN), I can check the mPCI-e slots numbers with those ones...
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Ok for the ATI 5750 ! -
My PE4L with PM3N arrived today - super fast shipping only 4 days from Taiwan (HWTools) to little Denmark!
Within half an hour the whole setup was running perfectly:
Lenovo Table x61
L7300 CPU @ 1.4Ghz
2GB DDR2 - 667 Mhz
GMA 965 GPU (I think) + external HD4870 1GB
Just had to start up the pc with the wifi-card and whitelist the port. Then swap the wifi-card with the PM3N and install drivers.
A few minor issues however:
-only one mini pci-express slot but space and soldering points for a second so I will try to add another one for the wifi-card
-the ATI and Intel video drivers does not seem able to co-exist. Each time I swap I will have to reinstall drivers.
-internal screen goes blank when using the external gpu (is that normal?)
But that is just minor issues because now I can game on my laptop!L4D and WoW were both very playable. 3DMark rating is here: ORB - World of Performance
I am considering a low wattage HD5750 with a 80w/12v adapter as described before in this thread. But I really want the OC Vapor-X version of the HD5750. But will I be able to run it without melting the PE4L if I can find a 100W or 120W adapter? And will I gain something in performance switching to the HD5750?
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After seeing this on Engadget, I got very excited, as this is something I'd been wanting for a while.
Today I received my PE4H card (1.0 instead of 2.0... I knew I should have written a note in there) to accompany the Sapphire 5750 2GB card I got in on Friday.
I had initially planned to put it all into a Silverstone SUGO SG-05 Case/Power Supply combo however it's just a tiny bit too small to hold the 5750, so I ended up ordering the SG02 Combo instead.
For now, I'm trying it out with a regular power supply I had hanging around, while I wait on the case.
The two notebooks I'll be trying it with:
Gateway P-6825
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Dell Latitude e6400
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If your second mPCIe socket allows a port1+port2, port3+port4, port5+port6 setup, then I'd suggest a PE4H+PM3N+PM3N to do x2. Ensure you can do anti-whitelisting without having to bootup with wifi in the mPCIe slot using the DIY ViDock Setup's save/restore port before trying through. -
AggieTallBoy, there are no 57xx 2GB cards in existence right now. You linked to a 2GB 5850.
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been looking at the usb boot and trying to get X1E mode working. the pic attached seems to show that it is ? for some reason i can not get a screen shot of the DX 10 benches. its just a black screen. DX9 SS's work fine though.
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You should be seeing a noticable improvement in performance. Please provide x1E benchmarks here + 3dmark vantage. Very interested to see how much more performance NVidia gives with that extra bandwidth. Techpowerup rate a 9800GT as delivering 68% of a HD5770 or 78% of a HD5750 or 110% of a HD5670 on a x16 2.0 link. -
added the new benches to the post i made before. not much better really. will play around and see what else i can see.
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Can you produce a set of benchmarks for @x1 and another set @x1E for direct comparison? Likely you will find RE5/dx9 and dmcv4.dx9 have had measurable and visible improvements when running x1E, at least it does using ATI cards. Based on the results posted:
variable RE5-DX10 show NVidia does well in RE5. Probably optimised for it:
- P9600-2.66+HD5770 (at x1E-equivalent) = 51.0 here.
- P7350-2.0+9800GT@x1E = 49.0
- T6600-2.2+HD5750@x1E = 45.3 (my testing - unpublished)
- T6600-2.2+HD5750@x1 = 39.3 (my testing - unpublished)
dvmc4 scene4 has ATI showing better performance
- P7350-2.0+9800GT@x1, dx9 = 35.7
- T6600-2.2+HD5750@x1, dx9 = 44.7
- T6600-2.2+HD5750@x1E, dx9= 66.7
- P7350-2.0+9800GT@x1E, dx10 = 37.8
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x1 vs x1E on toshiba first 2 are x1 and x1E are the others.
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for furthermore advance..
U need
1) check it out all the pci-e port numbers with their corresponding PCI-E types, & shots to upload if possible...
2) use BarEdit for checking registry,
for download, CLICK
for usage, refer to front page of this forum.
3) make a DIY_ViDock USB Bootdisk ,
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Ok Im new hear but over the past 3 days have read all 78 pages of this thread.
I currenlty have a Dell v13 with core duo ulv and GMA X4500mhd with an expressport 32. Inside i have two mpci ports one is loaded with the wifi the second is free but do to the aluminum housing of the v13 it would be way to difficult to consider to use that open slot regularly.
I was thinking of buying the PE4L because of this situation.
I wanted to know if I would be able to use the PE4L in x1E mode with my laptop. Was also thinking of going with a 5570 or 5670.
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You could get x1E by using the wifi mPCIe slot port5 - Everest appears to have mislabelled it. Otherwise to get x1E on any port petition Dell+Intel as discussed here to explain how. Intel-crippled x1 1.0 will not really benefit much beyond a HD5670/HD5750. x1E on the other hand does see benefit from the faster cards something I wish I had known when I purchased my HD5750!. See performance benchmarks x2 versus x1E versus X1 here. -
Nando4, have you read my previouse comment? I was curious if it is possible to achive higher performance if we would use somehow expresscard slot + PC card slot at the same time. I doubt it, but I think you know it better...
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Your expresscard slot is port3, so can switch it to x1E as recommended previously.
You would get you more performance also by upgrading to a HD5xxx series (yes, I apologise for suggesting a HD4870 originally) as they are more pci-e bandwidth efficient. See HD4870.2GB versus HD5750.1GB benchmarks here where the HD4870 does quite poorly on Intel-crippled x1 1.0. -
Come on, don't need to apologise! I owe you a lot for helping me use my laptop for playing!
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My 480 Watt power source came in today, which should cover for the 225 Watt requirement of the 5870. Now I'm waiting for the PE4H, and the Mini-HDMI Cable.
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Sooo guys, I have good news. I finally got the tracking number for all the Hwtools stuff. Should arrive friday morning.
I also orderd a GAINWARD Bliss GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB and a CLUB-3D HD5870 2GB Eyefinity 6 Edition. So we can do some little benchmarking on the brand new X201 with i7 620M and the X200 with P8600. With X2 mode.
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Does anyone know if PE4H ver 2.0 is capable of a connection to a slot PCIe on a desktop motherboard with 8x or 16x bandwidth (I mean PCIe to PCIe expansion system without loss of bandwidth)
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Whoah! That's like the best setup that could be asked for atm to see just how fast x2 1.0 is on current-gen tech. Will also put in perspective what expresscard 2.0 will offer. DIY ViDock Setup v1.0d will be released by the time your goodies arrive. Will have some small updates to the mPCIe whitelisting and x2 switching code relevant to your setup.
Time-sharing video card b/w desktop and notebook: Require HP1A update for x4 link to PE4H
I've just sent an email to hwtools to update the HP1A to supply 4 mPCIe lanes to connect to PE4H 2.0, so could have 4 mini HDMI cables trunked to your PE4H. An x4 capable HP1A product when used with 4x US$6 DX 1.5m/5ft cables would provide the ability to use your desktop video card externally, and swap within seconds for use with your notebook via the EC2C/PM3N. The DX mini HDMI cables are reasonably priced to do this. -
hi nando,
Instead of messing around with so many mini hdmi cables to get PCIe x4, why can't we get a cost-effective one cable connection capable of x16 (no idea what kind of cable) to make a PCIe to PCIe connexion? Do you think such setup is hard to implement? Why? Too much money? Too dificult on the adapter side?
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2010/6/9
PE4H 2.1 and PE4L 1.5 under development now. My idea is use adjustable component to delay 1~30/sec. It may have engineering sample about July/E/2010
New item HP4A for PE4H 2.x. Please check attached file. The engineering sample about June/E/2010 the price should be $25.
HP4A_dimension.pdf
hp4a_2010may25_draft.pdf
So could have your video card external, allowing a 4 2.0 link to your desktop using a US$25 HP4A + US$22 for 4x1.5m mini HDMI cables OR connect it to your notebook via EC2C/PM3N. So can easily time share the video card.
Also, the PCI Reset Delay feature he mentions above (1-30s) is a convenience feature worth waiting for. It means the BIOS doesn't get to see the DIY ViDock at all, so it doesn't try to allocate it. Meaning no hangs during bootup NOR are any other onboard devices wrongly allocated due to interference. ATM need to poweroff, pass bios, then poweron if affected. -
be quiet! Pure Power L7-300W, 80 plus Bronze
1x 20+4-Pin, 1x 4-Pin (ATX12V), 3x SATA, 2x 4-Pol Molex, 1x Floppy
Will I be able to use the mPCI adapter because of Lenovos whitelisting problem?
I am not sure if I should take the Sapphire HD 5870 TOXIC 2GB instead of the CLUB-3D HD5870 2GB Eyefinity 6 Edition?!? what do you think? -
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1. there's a 6.7s PCI reset delay jumper on the PM3N to overcome BIOS halting on encountering vid:dids not in the whitelist. [New PE4H 2.1 will have adjustable 1-30s delay].
2. if the port is clobbered as an additional whitelisting step, like it is on the HP 2510P, save the port state with wifi/turbo memory installed 'iport scan', 'iport whitelist save [port]', reboot without wifi/turbo memory inserted and restore a working port with 'iport whitelist restore'.
Can test if (2) is required by booting up without turbo memory/wifi installed, standby (not hibernate!) Win7, insert turbo memory/wifi, resume and see if the turbo memory/wifi appears in Everest->Southbridge port listing. If not, then (2) is required.
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Okay, the Sapphire Toxic is a bit more expensive but I think it will be fast. Because on the reviews its almost as fast as a GTX 480
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I'm ordering a longer HDMI cable, and working on getting the drivers set up.
On the P-6825 I've had to MacGyver the expresscard to stay in -- the card slot keeps self-ejecting; so a few strategic pieces of cardboard, and I've got it to stay in. This showed up as PCIe #5, once I got it booted, and I'm showing problems similar to the HP - where I get a single long, and three short beeps, followed by no video at all if the card is in place at power-up.
I ran diagnostics all the way through from the boot disk there, but accidentally started them again (it wipes the results)
On the Dell, I've got it recognizing, with an error 12 before I ran the boot disk... it's just wrong to see an nvidia card in my ati control panel
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My experiences with hooking up a 5770 to my Lenovo X201s:
- The card exists on Port 4, while my wifi MiniPCIe takes up slot 5. I think I'm stuck in x1 mode with the -20% performance loss, no workaround for me.
- Left 4 Dead 2 Heavy Rain still runs mostly maxed at 60fps with 2xAA. Haven't benchmarked much, just gave it a test run last night.
- Dirt 2 is funny. Setting ground effects to low hurts framerate more than it helps. I guess I'm going to be experimenting with lots of games to see what works and what doesn't!
- I can't boot the system with the card plugged in. I need to boot, sleep, plug in, and wake.
It's still beautiful though.
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Hello Nando,
This PSU was the one I got, but I don't see any way to connect it to the graphics card...
Newegg.ca - Sunbeam PSU-BKS-480-US 480W ATX12V Power Supply - Power Supplies
Is there anything I'm missing?
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12V molex to 6pin pci-e
12V molex to 8pin pci-e
DIY eGPU experiences
Discussion in 'e-GPU (External Graphics) Discussion' started by master blaster, Sep 18, 2009.