I tried fixing my problem last night, but I was unsuccessful. Trying the 258.96 drivers instead of the 259.12 drivers didn't change anything. Is there ANYONE else who has ever had this problem? Optimus just doesn't kick in and my keyboard stops working.
I can plug in the DIY ViDock and turn on my computer and boot all the way into safe mode or diagnostic mode and the GTX 460 shows up, but if I turn on my computer, put it to sleep, plug in the DIY ViDock, and turn it back on, the GTX 460 is not used (no external display and no "Unauthorized Optimus Configuration" on the internal display). I am on the verge of reformatting, but we all know how huge of a headache that is.
I'm on an X201 Tablet with Win7 Pro x64.
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So I've just been reading this thread for the past few days and will post results shortly with my setup. I have a ViDock4+ with HD5870 which I'm happy with but wondering if it is possible to get even more out of it? The first post mentions the Dell Studio 1558 and Dell D630 as having the correct setup for x2 PCI-e 1.0 and my system is the same in regards to their PCI configuration.
My system is the Dell D830 , T7300 @ 2.0GHz with 4GB RAM and Win 7/64 using the GM965 chipset.
The ports are:
#1 WWAN
#2 Wifi
#4 expresscard
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Is it even possible to use just the expresscard and get x2? I don't mind removing the wifi to do it. If it helps, I'm unable to boot with the card in till Windows is booted.
I'm guessing x2 is different from x1E? In that x2 requires two devices (expresscard and mPCIe card) while x1E only requires one device spread over two ports? Can I just follow the x1E tutorial using iport x2 or there is something better?
The variable test for RE5 is as so:
3DMark06
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Yes. You can get more gpu performance out of your Dell D830+HD5870 setup but that would mean using your mPCIe slots for connectivity rather than your expresscard slot port4.
If you use a hwtools PE4L+PM3N solution then could do x1E using port1, or if combine PE4H+PM3N+PM3N could do a port1+2 x2E setup, which see a significant performance increase. Consider JamesBond007's x2E results.
Unfortunately Vidock4+ has neither mPCIe connectivity nor x2 via two-ports capability so would require replacing it with the DIY PE4L/PE4H instead to see this performance improvement. Can you get a refund for the Vidock4+? [rhetorical question]
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Questions regarding the 1XE mode:
1.) In the original post it says this does not apply to 5 series chipsets.
a.) What are 5 series chipsets. Are these the Core i3, i5, and i7 chipsets? I have a Dell Latitude E 4310 with a Core i5-520M. Does it fall into this category?
b.) What does it mean that it does not apply? Do the 5 series chipsets not have the handshake issue, or does the 1xe mode fix not work on the 5 series chipsets?
2.) How do you tell if you are having the issue? Can any of the tools read which mode the video card is communitcating with the computer on?
3.) Has anyone tested the Radeon HD68xx series boards yet? Do these still suffer from this issue or have they been fixed like the GTX4xx boards?
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series-5 chipsets are the i-core ones like HM55/PM55. My testing with a HD5750 finding the x1E tweak doesn't work on them like it does on the series-4 or older core2duo chipsets.
When the HD6850 arrives, please post full benchmarks. I'll be able to compare it's relative 3dmark06 SM 3.0 performance to these ones from the first post.
* i7-620M+HD5750@x1=5085
* P9600+HD5770@x1E=5618
* T7500-2.6+HD5850@x1=5640
Relative performance sees
HD5750 = 64% of a HD6850
HD5770 = 73% of a HD6850
HD5850 = 105% of a HD6850
If ATI have fixed the problem then we'll see the equivalent of x1E performance with the HD6850 obtaining a 15% better SM 3.0 result. So it would be ~6500. If the handshaking issue is still present with Intel chipsets then you'll get 3dmark06 SM 3.0 result of less than 6000. -
I more planned to just wait for a expresscard 2.0 Laptop and continue using the ViDockI'll try out the DualIDA now though.
Thanks for posting, I understand it a lot more now. Maybe in the future I'll give the hwtools one a try. -
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Hey nando I read your instructions on how to use the 120W DC adapter with the splitter on the HD5750... As per your suggestion, I'm thinking of getting a GTS450 and running that in a similar fashion. Do you think it matters which variant I get? Or should I just go with the cheapest?
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US$170 GTX470?
Consider another option. There's a US$170 PNY GTX465. Very likely they are the black, not the blue PCB versions that unlock to be a GTX470 as discussed. If don't need portability then that there is your maximum bang-per-buck card.
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Will see if I will replace my hd5770 with 6850 depending on how it performs
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Hey nando thanks for the reply
Any tips on how to find a 12V 150W DC adapter? I don't see any on ebay that have a 2.5mm tip... There is a Dell adapter that keeps coming up, but apparently that has a "4-pin" connector (not sure what that is). -
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Hey guys,
I've read most of this thread and it looks like vidock is finally viable for me, thrilled even that i've got a studio 1555 which is capable of pci-e x2.
Just have one question, is this via 2x mini-pcie or 1x expresscard and 1xmini-pcie? Don't want to waste money ordering, and i didn't see it mentioned in the thread.
Also thinking of picking up one of the wifi adapters so i can plug in to my workstation at home when i'm not moving, and have proper gaming capability, but only need to worry about this if the wifi card needs to be removed...
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Also, the review you linked to is for the 1GB version. According to nvidia's specs, the 1GB version is rated at 160W and the 768MB version is rated for 150W:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB and 1GB Video Card Reviews - GeForce GTX 460 Brings NVIDIA DX11 to $199 - Legit Reviews
So if the MSI 1GB card does 153W max, then it seems likely to me that the 768MB version would be around 143W...
I think I'll wait a little longer to see if the GTS450 gets a price cut as well. Otherwise, the GTX460 really seems like the way to go... (But I would probably prefer the 768MB version over the 1GB, just to be safe that the 150W power supply can handle it) -
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port2=wifi
port3=unused mPCie slot
port4=expresscard slot
Meaning you could do a port3+4 x2 setup using a PE4H-EC2C + extra PM3N, but Intel's limitation means that port1+2 is x2 as a sideeffect, so your wifi could not be concurrently used.
You have a HD4570 Studio 1555 systemboard. Maybe you can find someone on here who would be glad to swap it for a 4500MHD systemboard so could do a Optimus x1 1.0 setup via the expresscard slot instead or x2 1.0 using a combo of ports? The first has been benchmarked giving impressive results.
Note too: your x2 setup would also be running what appears to be half-duplex speed if using an ATI solution. Ie: not x2E. You'd need a x2 port1+port2 setup to do x2E-ATI which is not possible. -
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Quick question though...
Does having 4GB of ram on a machine with a 32bit OS automatically mean a DIY Vidock will not work due to address space limitations?
The reason I ask is that my laptop uses 64bit Win 7, but my work laptop is locked down with XP. It would be nice if I could use mysetup as a dock for when I work from home, so I don't ahve to go reconnecting everything ever time... -
Hey,
I read the issues at the top of this thread regarding the >2.5GB problem.
I have 4GB and Windows 7 64bit installed on my laptop with the following specs:
Dell e4310
Intel Core i5-520M
4GB Ram
I am getting the "This device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code 12)" even though I am using the latest catalyst 10.10 drivers. According to the thread Catalyst 10.6 drivers enable 36/64bit addressing.
Do I have to do anything special in order to enable 36/64bit addressing in Catalyst drivers?
I would roll back to older drivers just to make sure they haven't removed this in the latest drivers, but I am using a HD6850, which I understand is first supported in 10.10 drivers.
Any suggestions which step to take next?
I assume it will be one of the reallocation steps at the top of this thread, but which would be the best to choose given that the newest Catalyst drivers have failed me?
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I removed one of my two sticks of ram to test at 2GB, and - as expected - it worked.
The funny part is, once I put the second stick back in and rebooted, it continued to work without me changing anything else.
I am wondering if once the system successfully booted with the desktop card installed, this triggered a address space remap, which held after booting back up with 4gb ram.
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Laptop:
Dell Latitude E4310
Core i5-520M
4GB Ram
Windows 7 Pro 64bit
Video Card:
Radeon HD6850
Connected via expresscard only. (I don't feel like having my covers hanging open...)
3DMark 2006 at default settings:
3Dmark2006-vidock by mattlach, on Flickr
Resident evil DX9 fixed benchmark at 1280x800:
RE5DX9_2010_10_27_18_16_01_665 by ]mattlach, on Flickr
So what do you guys think, am I suffering from the AMD 1x problem?
It's lower than my Core i7-920 Desktop with a GTX470 which gets 17623, but really not bad considering the laptop only gets 2082 with internal graphics. -
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T410s: i5-520M+HD5850.2GB@x1=12765
Dell E4310: i5-520M+HD6850@x1=12994
Comparison to [email protected]
[email protected] gets 3dmark06=13910. It's SM 3.0=7227, which is a 15% faster than your HD6850's 6320.
We do see that the 1280x800 RE5 fixed on a [email protected] gets 58.9, a good 29% more than your 45.7. I'd expect a maximum of 15% of that is due to the faster i7-620M CPU, which means the GTX460 is still at least 15% faster.
EDIT: I see you have a GTX470 in your desktop. Consider using it to do back-to-back of the HD6850@x1 versus [email protected] on your E4310 to confirm for yourself that the NVidia Fermi Optimus setup is the superior performer. The NVidia Optimus driver's peformance and internal LCD mode enhancements would also engage on your Intel HD equipped E4310. This opens up the possibility of a GTS450+120W or GTX460+150W portable AC adapter NVidia solution for gaming-on-the-go. -
Keep in mind - however - that the 6850 replaces the 5750, not the 5850. (AMD decided to free up more space in the low numbers for mainstream cards)
I'm actually really surprised it performed on par with a 5850, unless - of course - this is as a result of being bottlenecked by the AMD 1x problem, making the system unable to take advantage of the full potential of the 5850...
It would be interesting to pull out the GTX470 for a comparison, but I doubt the poor old little power supply I am using could handle it, and it wouldn't be a fair comparison. The GTX470 is on par with the 6850's older brother, the 6870, when on a 16x bus. -
Hey nando, what do you think of the Dell DA-2 adapter? It's 12V and 220W. It seems to me that it should be able to easily power any card... The only problem, of course, is the connector. But it seems that other people have successfully modded it:
SPCR • View topic - Antec NSK1300 with PW-200-V DC-DC and Akasa Evo-120
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And btw mattlach, how did you hook up your HD6850? Did you use an ATX power supply or a DC power brick?
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I have thought some more about this, and what really surprises me is that the 3DMark score is so high, and the RE5 score is so low...
Other cards in the test archive have lower 3DMark scores, but higher RE5 scores...
Does anyone have a good link on how Nvidia Optimus works? It looks like it really does wonders. Maybe I'll try to replace my HD6850 with a lower powered GTS450, and still get better performance, at a lower power envelope...
Maybe I'll see if I can pay a restocking fee and switch
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Hmm, I've tested my GTS with Fallout New Vegas. About 40fps under heavy carnage on 1280x1024 and Ultra settings ;d
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I'd be going a GTS450 or GTX460 if it was my Optimus <strike>cable</strike> capable E4310. An overclocked GTS450 at x1 Optimus would very likely outperform the HD6850 at a lower price and power usage. Benchmarks show a GTX460 would outperform the HD6850 at ~ the same pricepoint.
The 8pin plug has 3 12V/GND pairs, each which can deliver ~72W. So if prepared to splice in heavy gauge wiring could adapt it to so two pairs can drive up to two 6-pin pci-e sockets and the remaining pair provides the slot power via the floppy molex plug on the PE4H/PE4L.
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I chose the fixed benchmark as I thought it was more repeatable, and thus better for comparisons. Didn't realize you had gone with the variable.
Here are my new numbers with this setup, but with the variable benchmark instead:
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I should post DX10 benchmark results too.
It would also be nice to see some DX11 benchmarks.
Civ5 has a free demo/benchmark in steam I believe. I wonder if there is a Metro 2033 benchmark, as that would really show what these DIY Vidock setups are capable of...
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I'll take a 15% restocking fee hit, but I feel its worth it seeing what Optimus can do...
This will all have to wait until next payday though. This was a Mortgage week.
I will miss the 6850 though. It is amazing how low power it is for its performance. Maybe this is just because I am used to the loud GTX470, but going through the RE5 benchmark it never went above 65C, and was never audible over the HVAC duct in my office. -
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An OCed GTX460 benchmarks at GTX470 levels so you could certainly use your GTX470 to do comparative benchmarking. The cheapest option to do that would be to remove the PSU and GTX470 from your desktop, connect them up, load the Optimus drivers and do back-to-back benchmarking of the HD6850 versus the GTX470 with your favorite games. If you didn't get a SWEX, use the paperclip trick to power the ATX PSU.
DX9 is slower on NVidia cards in the non-Optimus setup. 3dmark06 result inwould suggest that DX9 on an Optimus setup outperforms the HD5xxx/HD6xxx though your benchmark results would confirm that. Such comparative benchmarking would be appreciated by the community and show you firsthand if it's worth taking the 15% restocking hit. I expect it is.
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I've added a section ATI versus NVidia back-to-back benchmarking on the first post giving you an idea of some volunteered benchmark comparisons. So you could consider providing a HD6850 versus GTX470 on x1/x1.Opt links (i5-520M 2.4, mattlach) article to link from there. Based on existing posted results I'd expect:
DX9: GTX470 x1.Opt > HD6850 > GTX470 x1
DX10: GTX470 x1.Opt > GTX470 x1 > HD6850
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Im having a problem getting my system to work i have a radeon r4850 with a 300w power supply and a toshiba satellite lap top. and im using a pm3n plug to the laptop mother board and when i turn it all on its giving me a black screen, do i have to use a monitor or can i use my laptop screen?
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Wow, so much has happened since last I looked for external video card solutions. (ViDock 2 hadn't come out yet). I'm not going to lie, 200 pages of replies is overwhelming.
I've been reading but there is so much information that I can't find the info I wanted again.
My question is going to be a very noobish question which is:
Given that I have a HP HDX16t laptop with windows 7, what is the best options for me to get. I've been reading that maybe the GTX 460 or 470 might be ideal with the optimus setup. Although it would be fine if I haev to get a powersupply, I would prefer just the regular adapter plug if possible. I'm at work right now so I'm not sure if I have the mPCIe slot. I would LIKE to run mPCIe and expresscard to maximize bandwidth if that is possible.
I would like to use the internal LCD but I may switch to external since I saw that it had noticably better results.
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I will run some DX10 benchmarks on the 6850 today during lunch, and try to get the GTX470 tests done after work today. It's going to be a little tricky, as my Shuttle SFF case uses non-standard motherboard and power solutions, so I am not sure how to do the paper-clip trick on it. I may just leave the desktop running sans video card, with the power hooked up to it for the test. -
The only exception to this is to use a Nvidia 4xx board coupled with Nvidias Optimus drivers IF you have Intel HD based internal graphics. If you do this, the Nvidia graphics can write directly to the Intel HD frame buffer over the PCIe bus and allow for internal graphics, but there will be a performance hit compared to usig an external monitor. -
From what I have read here, Geforce 460GTX 1GB + Optimus is an ideal solution. You will need to have a power supply either way, there is no way of getting out of this. You can easily mod an external 12V AC adapter though, or use a small form factor PSU, so there is no need for a large bulky ATX power supply with Medusa-like power cords sticking out of it.
If the 1GB GTX460 is too much for you, I'd go for one of the 1GB GTS450 overclocked versions. My somewhat educated guess is that the 768MB GTX460 is going to take a much larger performance hit over vidock than it does on a desktop due to the 1x bandwidth... -
I am trying to setup my computer for a x2 link, but I am having trouble getting the DIY ViDock Setup 1.0e4 working on my usb bootdisk. I am using Windows 7 64-bit.
I followed all the directions listed here http://forum.notebookreview.com/6295529-post630.html, and redid it numerous times, but something seems to be missing. I set my USB drive to first in the boot order, but it never loads. I forced the USB to load, and all I get is a Win 98 message and a DOS prompt. Is there supposed to be some sort of GUI?
After doing this "1. Choose Create a DOS Startup Disk [your USB thumbdrive] using System Files located in v:" it appears as if there is nothing in the usb drive's root directory. After doing "2. Copy the contents of v:\ to your USB thumbdrive's root directory (eg: h:\) using Windows Explorer" a prompt asks me if I want to copy and replace IO.sys and MSDOS.sys. Am I supposed to?
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Alright,
Here are the DX10 benches for the 6850:
3DMark Vantage (I'm going to run out of email addresses to use for free trial keys if I am going to test many more configurations):
HD6850 3DMark Vantage by mattlach, on Flickr
Devil May Cry:
DevilMayCry4_Benchmark_DX10_2010_10_29_12_20_12_246.jpg by mattlach, on Flickr
DMC seems surprisingly low compared to the other results on page one. I wonder if I have the settings wrong again. I couldn't find what was used for the comparison tests here, so I just changed resolution to 1280x800 and ran everything else on default settings. -
Hi guys, I started a thread (and link to this forum) in Tomshw.it for external graphic cards. Before I found Nando...should I try to translate something???
... after I can get out a shoestring or s.thing... I Just want to make sure at this moment I'm not doin' some big mistake.. with my DIY-ing...
OK...
I just ordered a PE4H + EC2C v.2.0a
HP Elitebook 6930P
CPU Type Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T9400, 2533 MHz (9.5 x 267)
Discrete graphic ATI 3450HD 256 mb
OS Microsoft Windows 7 Professional
North Bridge: Intel Cantiga PM45:
PCI-E 1.0 x16 port #2 In Use @ x16 (ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450/3470 (HP) Video Adapter)
South Bridge: [ TRIAL VERSION ]
PCI Express Controller
PCI-E 1.0 x1 port #1 Empty
PCI-E 1.0 x1 port #2 In Use @ x1 (Intel WiFi Link 5300 AGN)
PCI-E 1.0 x1 port #3 Empty
PCI-E 1.0 x1 port #5 Empty
I Will start with the basics :
Download >> DIY ViDock Setup v1.0e4 << (2.47MB, 2010-10-21) >>>>>
- encounter WinXP/7 error 12:cannot allocate resources requiring automated PCI Reallocation or IGP relocation.
- want to use x1E/x2/x4 higher performance pci-e links
- require mPCIe anti-whitelisting (HP/Lenovo mPCIe slots)
- want to enable/disable the IGP or dedicated graphics in a hybrid graphics system to free up resources
Than I don't really know know which graphic card I will go for, maybe the GT460 or The Gigabyte ATI5750... I would get the MSI Cyclone 460... and a ext. PSU... but is it worth my caseCould I get significant improvement enabling - I still dont know how - the crossfire option (Everest says not supported ) linking the 3450 to a 5750 for ex.
The price for the Cyclone it's ~70$ more ex. > HD5750
Any helps? I am not sure what is the best choice for my pci-e 1.0 ports , it looks like three of them are free in the South Bridge...
but it would be just great to have ONE working for good...
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DX10: GTX470 x1.Opt > GTX470 x1 > HD6850 x1E > HD6850 x1
NFS Shift a good example of how this translates to real life. It's very choppy on the HD5750@x1, smoother but still choppy with HD5750@x1E (which series-5 chipsets can't do), yet buttery smooth and very playable on the GTX470 with or without Optimus. GTX470 x1.Opt DX10 FPS will be 2-3 times faster in dmcv4. You'll see this with your own eyes when you test your desktop's GTX470 or review the links below:
ATI versus NVidia back-to-back benchmarking
HD5750 versus GTX470 on x1 and x2 links (i5-430M 2.26, nando4)
HD5750 versus GTX460 on x1/x1E links (T9300-2.5, ithildin)
HD5750 versus GTX470 on x1, x1E, x1.Opt and x2 links (T2050/U7600/T6600, nando4)Last edited by a moderator: Jan 29, 2015 -
Has anyone had any success with the ViDock on a Dell Precision M6400/with
T9900 @ 3.07g? I am using the following steps but no luck:
-unplugged ViDock
-boot with USB
-Compact onboard video which is NVidia FX2700 in (have tried both Bridges and 32 mode)
-Plug ViDock in and F5 to discover
-Compact ATI HD 2400 in (have tried both Bridges and 32 mode) I get (256)
-Apply Startup.bat
I am not sure what to do from here but I have:
-unplugged ViDock and rebooted then plugged vidock in after loggin in
I get Code 43
-I have left ViDock plugged in and still get Code 43 which also appears on Richo PCMCIA adapter in Device Manager as well
Any help would be appreciated!
DIY eGPU experiences
Discussion in 'e-GPU (External Graphics) Discussion' started by master blaster, Sep 18, 2009.