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    Fujitsu in talks to merge PC business with Vaio, Toshiba

    Discussion in 'Fujitsu' started by hirobo2, Dec 6, 2015.

  1. hirobo2

    hirobo2 Notebook Consultant

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    But I couldn't care less. Don't get the wrong idea, I would buy a Fujitsu laptop made in Japan in a heartbeat if I had the cash.

    The thing that's really killing off the laptop segment for me is Intel and their corporate greed. Soon, you pretty much won't be able to buy a laptop that doesn't emit hazardous 60Ghz from the WiGig units (as if 5.0GHz isn't already dangerous enough!) You can't just buy the laptop and throw out the WiGig card b/c it will be embedded into the CPU.

    Laptops are end games for me. I personally couldn't care less if Fujitsu or Lenovo or HP or Dell flounder b/c I can't see myself ever owning a device with WiGig in it.

    To hell with streaming 4K videos wirelessly. 1080p is more than sufficient for a high quality cinema-like experience, even on a really big TV screen.

    To hell with 2TB/4TB HDD's. As if you can squeeze more bytes into the same area and not expect operational errors as a result (I never buy an HDD larger than 500GB b/c of this).
     
  2. hirobo2

    hirobo2 Notebook Consultant

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    Oh, I get it, Fujitsu wants to get together with Vaio and Toshiba b/c of this:



    They want to one up the new Surface tablet. Personally, I don't think Fujitsu can do it alone. They've got the tech and reliability factor, but Vaio has the form factor and Toshiba has the marketing reach. Surface looks cool, but I think together, Fujitsu + Vaio + Toshiba can produce a superior product. Japan makes the best things.

    But it won't be enough to convince me to buy. What they need to do is convince Intel to make the WiGig unit something completely removal (as in I don't want anything that emits radiation at a frequency > 5.0GHz!)
     
  3. Kent T

    Kent T Notebook Virtuoso

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    I don't want to see LifeBooks which don't last. VAIO used to be well built, but PITA to repair, Toshiba today I find not up to standard for me. Not a merger of Equals.
     
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    King Midas Notebook Guru

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    The resolution as usual is : Vote with your wallet!
     
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    Kent T Notebook Virtuoso

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    Mine is Fujitsu makes good laptops. Much better than VAIO and Toshiba put together. Why don't those two merge with Asus or Acer and improve those brands?
     
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  6. King Midas

    King Midas Notebook Guru

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    I don't know. :p
     
  7. Maru

    Maru Notebook Consultant

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    The Fujitsu Celsius H760 (~40cm mobile workstation) has been announced, specified, and reviewed, so Fujitsu is clearly continuing on its own. Nicely, they haven't fallen for keyboard navigation-key layout fads (unlike Dell's missing home/end or HP's tiny up/down). However, at this time an individual H760 is priced extremely high, at least in Japan. Maybe the price listed is intended to discourage individual sales, so they can concentrate on large deals with enterprise and government IT departments, which may be easier and more profitable to support. (For U.S. readers, the Celsius mobile workstations do not appear to be sold in the U.S. at all.)
     
  8. Tom at PW

    Tom at PW Newbie

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    Thanks for pointing to the review. At the time of the review, pricing was not set & I have not seen a pricing update. But as a mobile workstation, the pricing won't be at consumer or even enterprise levels. What is nice about it is the capacity - 64 GB or RAM is great if you need it - and the GPU + display. I prefer the 4K display with an anti-glare display compared to the glossy displays. The Quadro M2000 has nice, stable perf.
     
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    I used to favor IBM thinkpads for durability and upgrade ease, but fell in love with an older Fujitsu N6410. Build quality, gorgeous screen, easy to work on, features; what's not to like? You make good points for the argument of a merge with Sony and Toshiba. My only concerns would be the possibility of compromises in reliability over time(Sony) or quality of components and build quality(Toshiba).
     
  10. Maru

    Maru Notebook Consultant

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    The Fujitsu Celsius H760 has started appearing on retailers' web pages in northern Europe, often with more reasonable prices than their Japanese site linked earlier. I wonder if it is actually imported from Europe to Japan. A Polish review ( english via Bing).
     
  11. hirobo2

    hirobo2 Notebook Consultant

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    I fell in love with a Windroid tablet I bought off eBay for real cheap ($100). Hardly use my laptop anymore except on Fridays when I download stuff (don't want to destroy the write cycles of my tablet's eMMC drive.

    Just for the record, I own 2 Fujitsu laptops that I plan on running on Fridays for the next decade or two. But I fell out of love with Japanese brand electronics after my made-in-Japan USB enclosure that was very expensive ($75 just for the enclosure bought from Japan online not the hard drive) went kaput in a very short amount of time. The reason was it's one cable that handled both data and power leading to a high failure rate. You'd think the engineers would have thought to split 'em power and data separate for such an expensive product! Found a Chinese "adapter" (actually the whole enclosure electronics minus the HDD casing) that did just that for $3 on eBay. I'd wager since power and data travel on separate cables on it, it could last pretty much forever!

    Nobody buys PCs/laptops anymore when a tablet could do the same. Also above why I'm tending to avoid Japanese brands these days. They will charge you an arm and a leg for a product that fails sooner than those cheap Chinese eBay counterparts. My current favorite brand of computer electronics would have to be Huawei going forward, no longer Fujitsu. In China Huawei is now the top dog at #1. Apple has even fallen below #5 th place in the Chinese market share. Times are a changing. This century belongs to China, which is a good thing since Chinese products are cheaper than Japanese and in certain cases like ext USB enclosures for my laptop the Chinese ones are better engineered to last longer.

    Also you just have to take a look at the incredible stuff China is doing like grand-majestic artificial islands and even a new 5th gen stealth fighter. Also top two fastest supercomputers in the world currently are Chinese. Also says a lot about the kinds of stuff (consumer products) I'm seeing emerging from China...
     
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  12. Maru

    Maru Notebook Consultant

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    Notebookcheck has now reviewed a Fujitsu Celsius H760 configuration ( E3-1505Mv5 CPU 16GB, M2000M GPU 4GB, SM951 PCIe SSD 512GB, ST1000LM HDD 1TB, LGD046F IPS FHD).
    No throttling while plugged into external power, though it throttles on battery to protect the battery from high current draw (tested without the second modular bay battery). The tested FHD screen was reported to have some screen-door effect (lines between pixels) and off target sRGB color space, so try the UHD screen if you need accurate colors.

    Keyboard layout for editing keys looks reasonable: Dedicated home/end keys for text line editing and spreadsheet row navigation are above numberpad. A convenient Tab key is added to the numberpad for navigating spreadsheets and forms. For touch typists with fingers over the home keys, both Alt keys are easily reachable by thumb, and Ctrl keys are reachable by pinky fingers. One issue is the Delete key is not on corner above backspace, moved one key left. (Is the pause key on the corner used frequently in some application? Or is Delete moved left to be away from the Home key?) Hopefully these keys can be easily remapped to put Delete on the corner to give it more space and make it a faster target (Fitts' Law).
     
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    KLF NBR Super Modernator Super Moderator

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    Seems that also in older workstations pause button is in top right corner. Including nordic layout so it's not a german thing.