Heatingproblem or bad drivers?

Hey i have a Xi 1526 with Vista Ultimate 32bit and i have some mayor rendering trubbel i think? screensavers and games in openGL works good but the Direct3D games is totally messed up u cant see whats suposed to be a a tree or a mouse! the drivers on F&S homepage is over 1½ year old and i cant install the drivers from Nvidias homepage (ofcourse) so i was wondering if anyone has a solution for this?

//r3g

 

go for the drivers in l2go make sure you use the modded .inf

 

so where do i put the modded .inf file? sry for asking stupid questions

 

you download the drivers unzip them to a folder (on the desktop) and place the inf in that folder.
then go off to control panel and uninstall your previous drivers. reboot.
next step run a driver sweeper nvidia drivers only.
then right click my computer / manage / device manager / display adapter / update... / browse... / let me pick... and then point to the specific inf you have placed in the driver folder.

when all done reboot and you should be good.

 

I managed to install the drivers. but it still tells me the drivers are from 2007/02
and i installed the latest 2008/9 drivers
this problem is making me mad.. i still have the same rendering trubbel after i installed the drivers!

 

try the same again but this time run the driver sweeper under safe mode (while booting tap f8 before vista starts) and run driver sweeper twice.

 

Ive now tried to install diffrent drivers, and i still get the same render problem.
some drivers even crashed! soon this laptop is flyin out trough the window!

 

So. have you checked if it's overheating problem?
First make sure system runs at maximum performance (Windows power settings...) even when idle. Also turn off screensavers and any such background programs.
Then, Download Hwmonitor, install it, run it and let your computor idle for atleast half an hour (preferably more if you just turned on the computer). After that before doing anything else, write down the temperatures on HWMonitor's 'Value'-column for each component (ACPI, CPU, GPU, HDD..) and post them here. These are the idle temps and they should be very low, but we'll see...
This page might also interest you: http://www.playtool.com/pages/artifacts/artifacts.html

 

ACPI-THRM : max 78C/172F min 74C/165F

Intel mobile core 2 duo T5600: Core#0 max 80C/175F min 73C/163F
Core#1 max 80C/175F min 73C/163F

Geforce Go 7600 - GPC core: max 74C/165F min 71C/159F

seems it goes hot just idle
anything to do about a laptop going to warm?
but the plastic over the graphic card isent warm at all

 

Yes, those are definitely way too hot for just idle temps. I'd suspect it's dangerously overheating during heavy load, so I wouldn't recommend you doing anything too demanding, like gaming, until you get those temps down. Otherwise you might permanently damage the components.

Have you checked if the fan vents are choked by dust, hair, dirt or such? There's a good guide here in NBR of how to clean the vents. Note that it will not void your warranty if you just open the back panel and clean the insides with compressed air. Actually this is something you should do quite regularly. Just carefully follow the guide and you'll be fine. And never ever use regular vacuum cleaner, since it produces static electricity which can damage the components. However, battery powered hand vacuum cleaners are fine to clean any remaining dust after done the blowing with compressed air.

Also note that the cooling unit might have become a bit loose, so the cooling unit might not be taking good enough contact with the CPU/GPU cores. The relatively low ACPI temp compared to CPU/GPU temps would indicate to this. ACPI temp should be slightly higher than CPU temps. You should try tightening the screws holding it. Also check that the fan is actually plugged (the red circle on that picture). However, in worst case the fan is broken and not spinning as fast it should or at all. There's not much you can do about that, so you should take the laptop to repair service.

You should also definitely undervolt the CPU to lower the temps. There's Undervolting guide here in NBR. It's quite easy and totally safe to do. It can lower the CPU temps between 5°C to 25°C, which again reduces the overall heat build-up in the system and therefore also helps other components (graphics card, HDD, RAM, etc.). E.g. I got 7°C off from my CPU max load temp just by a slight undervolt (from 1.2625 V to 1.0625 V).

I got 6°C off from my Xi1546's (which uses the same chassis and cooling system as your Xi1526) CPU idle temps and ~12°C from max load temps by completely cleaning the vents and fan, replacing the thermal paste and undervolting the CPU. And my laptop wasn't even overheating. I just did it for fun and to be safe. Note that before those steps my idle temps (CPU idled at 45°C) were still way lower than yours even though my T2400 CPU and ATI MR X1800 GPU should be producing more heat than your T5600 and Go7600. So there's definitely something wrong with your cooling.

 

Ok thx alot for the tips ill go trough em and let u know after how the temps are.
and thx for taking ur time to help me, my support helped me much less then u!


After 20min stress test with a lowered volt at .250v my max cpu temp is now 84C and min is 57C!! thats amazing!
and i took out like a ton of dust!

 

ok i have now completed lowering my CPU volt with a -.250v total.
i now have a 60C/141F idle temp and a max temp at 87C/188F.
so now the chassi feels cool while its idle (im happy for that)
but i still get the same F****** rendering mess!
this is a screenshot from WoW so u can see how it looks, and this isnt as much of a mess as it can be sometimes!

 

Temps you are getting still seem to be more to the higher side. Your CPU should be getting somewhere nearer to 50°C idle and 70°C maximum load even without undervolting. One bad thing is that you have Vista, so you are stuck with BIOS version 1.20 or higher for Vista to work correctly. If you had XP you could downgrade to BIOS 1.17, which uses better fan control and keeps the system cooler (Who knows what Fujitsu were thinking when making the cooling worse??).

The lines you are seeing in that game are called artifacts, mostly caused by overheating or already damaged graphics card memory (see the video memory artifacts page I already linked). What kind of temps your graphics card is getting? You can leave HWMonitor running in the background and check the max GPU temps after gaming for a while. Did you tighten the screws I pointed out to make sure the cooling unit isn't loose and is making good contact with graphics card and CPU?

 

Yes i tightend the screws.. after 30 min in WoW my CPU is 70C and GPC 61C
so its not that hot at all anymore.. and i just get a few artifacts much less then i got before i dustbusted and lowered the volt. so u think its my graphic RAM thats busted? cant it be the main memory? the fujitsu system diagnostic program says thats nothing is wrong what so ever with my hardware.. but both u and me know there is.. is there any program that can test main/GPU RAM in windows?

 

Well, in theory, if your video card memory was already full of graphics data and it used system RAM to extend it (=Turbo cache), then yes, you might see similar artifacts when certain part of this extended video RAM was broken/overheating. But if I'm not mistaken your card has 256MB of dedicated memory, so I don't think it ever needs extend it with system RAM in older games like WoW. If you constantly see these artifacts right from the start of the game, then yes, the video card's RAM might be permanently busted. However, if you can game for a while, without seeing any artifacts, then you are facing overheating video RAM chip/chips when the artifacts start to pop up.

My thoughts: the fan is still not working as fast it should, it's still choked by dust or such, or permanently damaged, making the heat build up too fast in the video card. OR the video card's memory chips' thermal pads are misplaced or totally missing, leaving the chip with bad or without any contact to the cooling unit. Air is bad heat conductor, so if there's no solid contact, the heat builds up very fast in the component, eventually leading to overheating and if prolonged, to permanent damage. Same goes for CPU and GPU cores, if their thermal paste is somehow gone bad e.g. dried. Your still relatively high CPU temp would indicate to this even though you tightened the screws. Note also that undervolting shouldn't be something obligatory, so your system should work without it without overheating problems if the cooling was working correctly.

You can use Memtest86+ to test you system RAM, if you want to make sure there's nothing wrong with it. Unzip it, burn the ISO in the .zip to CD using Nero or similar burning software, boot-up from the CD and the test will begin. Let it run for few hours. press ESC to end the test, remove the disk and boot back to Windows.

If those artifacts doesn't convince you the video memory is overheating or damaged, you can try Video Memory stress Test. Check the Readme file inside the .zip of how to use it.

 

Ok. i dont get the artifacts from the beginning but HWMonitor doesnt say the GPU is to hot. i think i have some heatzink paste laying around somewhere. So u think i need to replace the paste? if so could u post o guide on how to remove the heatzinks? ive built many PCs in my life but i have never worked with a laptop this way before so i realy would appreciate if u could post a guide or a link to one

and i did the Video RAM stress test with no errors found

 

That really puzzles me, since those lines you are seeing in the game are definitely artifacts and you said you had also tried different driver versions... Did you read the 'Recommendations on use' section in that Readme file? You could also try Atitool's 'Scan for Artifacts' feature (and only that, do not use it's other features). Download Atitool (be sure to get the beta version: 0.27beta4, stable 0.26 doesn't support Vista), install it, run it (if it agrees to run ), and then of course run HWMonitor also, press the 'Scan for Artifacts' -button in Atitool, wait and it if it starts to find too many Delta pixels or other errors stop it by pressing the 'Abort' button, since this is enough evidence about overheating/damaged VRAM. Now, also check the temps in HWMon.

You could also try 3DMark06 benchmark, to see if you get any artifacts there: http://www.futuremark.com/download/3dmark06/

 

Ok now now after some diffrent options in the video stress test i got over 20k errors and first part in 3DMark was ok but in the CPU tests to the last tests it was an artifact war! after the both stress and 3Dmark my max GPU core temp was 73C (CPU#1 83C CPU#2 84C and THRM 79C)