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    P7010D with Celeron M good way to save money?

    Discussion in 'Fujitsu' started by RaNDoMMAI, Mar 8, 2005.

  1. RaNDoMMAI

    RaNDoMMAI Notebook Consultant

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    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=34-110-145&depa=3

    only 1250 after rebate.

    how does 1.1 celeron M compare to 1.1 pentium M? it is even noticeable?

    Newegg says it still has 6 hour battery life.
    maybe a celeron M runs hotter? but still it is ULV...
    what do you guys think?

    ~RaNDoM
     
    RaNDoMMAI, Mar 8, 2005
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  2. Doleco

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    I think I read an article somewhere that all Celeron means is half the cache of the current Pentium or something like that.

    Well, that wasn't really helpful of me.
     
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    Celerons have lower cache, lower bus speed, and they lack most optimizations such as SSE2.
     
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    Hmmm

    Looking at the 7010D with the PM, it says 7 hours...and the Celeron has 6.

    Celeron has 512kb Cache while the PM has 2mb cache(unless its Banias, but it doesnt say on the site)

    Besides that, there isnt much from the looks of it bside sthe price tag
     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by ChaosBlizzard
     
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    Um no, it gets much faster.

    My N3510 runs at a 533MHz FSB.

    If you have a desktop the FSB can be 533, 800 and even 1066 for the Pentium 4's.

    You have the reason why the lower amount of cache makes a cheaper chip wrong. L2 cache is VERY expensive. You must imagine, any memory that can run near the speed of the processors core is very costly.

    L1 cache runs at the exact speed of the CPUs core and is extremely expensive. Hence why most processors have only 16-32KB of it.
     
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    I understood what you meant. However, you failed to take in the point that the user is comparing a Pentium M/4 to a Celeron.

    So you would have to take into account the 533MHz counterparts.

    [Edit]: They are working on replacing the transistor with something called a latch. Soon, the problem you speak of will be gone for good. Transistor based processors will be replaced with latch processors.
     
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    this article might be of interest to compare celeron M to pentium M, although it's one year old, but most of the info in there is still valid.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20040309/index.html
    And my bad the extra 512 cache are there but deactivated. so even if they are corupted during the manufacturing process the die is still functional and good for sale.

    and the celeron is 1GHz, so that is a 10% loss in clock speed compared to the PM 1.1GHz irrelevant of any other factors which should make this difference even larger!
    And according to intel the cleron M 373 is considered a ULV, but probably the lack of speed step technology makes it battery life unfriendly.

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    ETA Unknown: N6010 waiting for screen repair [ :(]
     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by ChaosBlizzard
     
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    "how does 1.1 celeron M compare to 1.1 pentium M? it is even noticeable?"

    I see "Celeron M" and "Pentium M"...
     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by ChaosBlizzard
     
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  12. Brian

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    To the initial post...I don't think it's worth dropping to the Celeron in this case unless you really need to save the dough. Especially now that the PM 1.2 will cost the same as the 1.1. The performance difference will be significant.

    Brian

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    Brian, i realize there is a performance issue here, but for what the P7010 is usually used for, isnt it worth it to save like 200~300 bucks? i mean, most people who use this type of machine only use it for web surfing and typing papers. according to newegg, it gets 6 hours battery life on standard battyer, that is alrdy a 50% gain compared to my S6231.

    Right now, i feel this is a good choice to someone who wants a P7010 and wants to save money, unless the battery life is wrong, which newegg has done before.

    ~RaNDoM
     
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    You're not going to get 6 hours on one battery. Maybe if it's idle and wireless is off with backlight greatly reduced...just maybe. I have dual batteries and get 4-5 depending on what I do.

    As for the savings. You're right, but if you plan on doing anything more intense, the cost is justified.

    Brian

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    Brian, Mar 9, 2005
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