P8020 versus Vaio tt

Comments?

Overriding factors pushing one way or the other?

Best configurations?

I am looking for "airplane seat" friendly (wider, not taller). Light. Optical drive. Long battery.

Looking for comparison pictures also.

Thanks, Fernando

 

Standard configuration (HDD not SSD), both have same weight of 1.3 Kg but P8020 has higher capacity battery, so it should have longer runtime on battery.

TT is slimmer when closed (23.5mm vs. 37.4mm) and in some country has the options of blu-ray drive, single or dual HDD/SSD (with no optical), internal TV tuner or WWAN. P8020 has the option of internal WWAN.

P8020 has more comfortable keyboard with 18 mm pitch & 2 mm stroke vs. 17 mm pitch & 1.7 mm stroke, and higher res webcam of 1.3MPix vs. VGA.

 

You can buy an extended battery for the Sony TT and you cannot buy an extended battery for the P8020.

After a while i find an 11.1 inch display 1336x768 a bit hard to use for office type tasks. I do find the res of the P8020 easier on the eye for prolonged use. The quality of the TT display though will be better.

It is 11.1 verse 12.1 of course and advantages and disadvantages go both ways.

The TT offers more with built in HDMI and up to 1.6 (currently pre-order only) on certain models.

I think if i had to make a choice between those two, if i could get the P8020 for considerably cheaper than the TT i might go with that.

 

Extended 9-cell battery for TT (VGP-BPL14/B) is rated 8100mAh, while the standard 6-cell battery for P8020 (FPCBP195) is 8700mAh.

TT's 9-cell actually has a higher wattage, but due to lower voltage in P8020 (7.2V vs. 10.8V), it'll benefit P8020 as its battery capacity becomes slightly higher.

 

The Vaio TT will definitely be more airplane seat friendly and it is shorter and wider than the P8020 due to it using a 16:9 aspect ratio screen vs. 16:10 in the P8020.

 

The P8020 has a 62whr battery and the TT has an extended battery that is rated at 87 whr. It seems like there is no agreement on this forum about how to rate a battery.
Besides from the reviews i have read the Sony TT seems to obtain about the same or even better battery life with the standard battery as the P8020.

 

I agree, it's actually confusing.

In my understanding, higher watt-hour doesn't always mean longer battery power, cause it depends on the voltage the system uses. In P8020 case, it draws electric current in much lower voltage than TT, therefore its battery might stand longer. I think this is why many notebook manufacturers prefer to put mAh or Ah on their battery to show its capacity.

Yup! That might be true, especially based on each claims from their datasheet. Fujitsu on one of their website claims P8020 (w/o internal 3G) could stand up to 6.2 hours, while Sony claims nearly the same for TT using only standard battery, that is up to 6 hours. And for the extended one, it claims up to 9 hours. In reality, all depends on how the users manage their notebooks to save power.

 

I have actually mentioned not too dissimilar in the past, however values were quite different. In this case i would say that the TT extended battery is better. May be somebody else will chime in.
This thread is quite interesting.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=279056

 

I guess you're right about TT extended battery, at least given the fact that indeed it has more cells which beside giving more weight and it should perform better.

Reading from Fujitsu website, turns out that they provide 2 type of batteries for P80x0 series. I know that the 6-cells 8700mAh has been used as out of the box battery since P8010. It turns out that they've also made 4-cell 5800mAh battery for P80x0 series. I think that Fujitsu opted to make P80x0 series lighter than making them have longer battery. Too bad... Especially that this series have a fixed optical drive, cannot be changed to secondary bay battery as other Fujitsu notebook types can have.

 

There is no need of any "agreement", this isn't even debatable. I explained it clearly to you before:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4674860&postcount=24

Sorry but your understanding is totally wrong. The watt-hours is determined by the amp-hours and voltage, the (mili)amp-hours itself is meaningless without the voltage.

To quote on my previous post on this:

Regarding this particular case, the standard 6-cell batteries for TT and P8020 have similar capacity, the expended 9-cell battery for TT is of higher capacity. No surprise here.

Sony 6-cell (VGP-BPS14/B) ---> 5400 mAh * 10.8 V = 58 Wh (approx)
Fujitsu 6-cell (FPCBP195) ---> 8700 mAh * 7.2 V = 62 Wh (approx)
Sony 9-cell (VGP-BPL14/B) ---> 8100 mAh * 10.8 V = 87 Wh (approx)

The actual battery life will depend on the power consumption of the notebooks.

 

Dreamer,
Since there are many components which require different voltages inside a notebook, how this related to the voltage stamp on the battery or in the output of power brick? Despite these differences, isn't that notebook withdraw power only in one level of voltage as written on the battery or power brick?

 

From what i have observed people have different views about battery ratings on this forum. I wasn't putting any kind of value on that as it was observation. I was saying that views differ widely on this board from what i have observed. I hope that is clear.
I think that link that i posted to was pretty informative.

 

There are voltage regulators that maintain the voltage within the range that the internal components (e.g. CPU) can safely operate at. The CCFL backlight of the LCD, on the other hand, uses an inverter as it requires high voltage.

It's a long-winded argument about an external battery, and the whole thread is rather confusing than informative. People definitely don't have to go through about 80 posts, many of which misleading, intelligible and/or unrelated, to finally find the simple fact that Wh=Ah*V. Moreover, that link obviously didn't make anything clear here.


End of story.

 

I have the same debate as well for a replacement of my trusty but aging P7010D.

TT is noticably thinner while it'll be slower if you option it with regular HDD versus SSD.

P8020 uses 2.5" HD which means you can easily upgrade it to a 7200rpm 500Gb HD which will be just as quick if not quicker than SSDs but for fraction of the cost.

P8020 also uses cheaper, more common memory which means it hurts the pocket less if you want more memory later.

That being said, price for P8020 (at least in Canada) is more expensive than similiarily equipped TT.

I do like the TT for portability but like the real power of the Fujitsu. Coming from a P7010 I just don't know if it's worth while to pay $2k for something that's bigger than what I already have.

 

If it matters to you, the Sony TT has hardware virtualization disabled while the Fujitsu P8020 does not. That was the tie-breaker for me. It is too bad the P8020 is a bit larger that the P7120 it was replacing.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=4597019