[USE AT YOUR OWN RISK, WIDESPREAD BRICKS!] nVIDIA GeForce Drivers v364.72 Findings & Fixes

I had 7970m's in CF. They were no slouch and close enough to 780m SLI that I happened to upgrade to later. Overclocking was a different story though.
I think I might still have their benchmarks saved somewhere.

 

See, somebody else that KNOWS they were capable cards and traded hits with the 780M. Now overclocked, yes the 780M had more potential when fed more and more voltage. But stock for stock they were close competitors. I'd imagine if you had both cards, stock, on the newest drivers, 7970M would match a 780M except for vRAM size. I'd bet the 8970M would exceed the 780M.

 

Okay guys this is a thread about Nvidia drivers. If you wish to discuss AMD vs Nvidia, the subject has been beaten to death but you're welcome to start your own thread to do so but please leave the off topic discussion out of the driver thread.

 

so better to stick with the 362.00 drivers or is there a new beta driver that's ok to use?

 

How about 364.51? Is it reported major problems with this driver?

 

Hello guys,

My friend just bought new PC with 980Ti. Which drivers are safe for now? Newer ones are very problematic. Which one do you recommend to stay until Nvidia will fix this mess?

OS is Windows 10

Regards

 

Stick to that one only, no issues with that release...

 

I think I read that this 362.00 driver gave higher Cpu temp under idle and load. Maybe I'm wrong on this?

 

I didn't realise these drivers had 'the Division' profile. I didn't have the game when I first had 364.72 installed.
I'm back on 362.00 and likely to stay there but can anyone let me know if 364.72 made an performance difference worth mentioning in the Division?
Dam game humbles a single 980ti at 1080p at the moment.

 

Unfortunately I don't remember the older driver prior to the 362.00 with the CPU temps, I don't think the driver so far caused me any temp issues under load or idle.
I guess better to stick with the 362.00 than others...that's my gut feeling.

Spoiler

Tried the 364.51, improved FS GPU score But I could beat that by fine tuning NVCP with the 362.00 & I felt there was some stupid util throttle with the 364.51 but the Dota2 engine did that on 362.00 as well (never saw throttle in any other games or Firestrike benches..).

 

Okay, big thanks Ahstrix.

 

Okay I updated my laptop to these drivers and they are working great so far. I noticed they fixed something I didn't know was broken until yesterday, with 364.51 drivers. I couldn't connect to 4K 60hz mini display port adapter to HDMI 2.0 with 364.51 drivers as it would crash or cause issues.

With 364.72 it was almost immediate and I was able to connect easily, 4K 60hz RGB 8bits. Plus my GPUs didn't die nor my driver crashed. Good thing I suppose.

Also, I am using Club3D mini dp 1.2 to HDMI 2.0 for my TV and it works great, finally 4K content at 60hz. Too bad my laptop is struggling at such settings haha

 

Updated my Clevo P651RE6 (GTX 970M) drivers from 362 to this 364.72, using clean install as always - then immediately checked for G-Sync in the Nvidia control panel: Gone. Used DDU and re-installed the 362 drivers: No problems.

This is 3 driver updates now that I have had to roll back.

 

I've had no issues with these drivers on my NP9772. The built-in display doesn't have G-Sync, but the feature seems to be working just fine on my external Acer XB270HU.

 

@Ethrem

Nvidia Users Beware, Latest Driver May Harm Your PC – Allegedly Plagued With Issues

WARNING: AVOID 364.72 (march 28) LIKE THE PLAGUE - it's bricking cards left and right - and rollbacks are not working.

 

Anyone using these drivers should revert them immediately before the chance to fry your card becomes a reality. With Nvidia actually contacting people and looking into RMAs of these failed cards, it is definitely not safe to use these drivers!

 

@Ethrem

Thanks for the modified warning, I also placed the above to links in the OP with a big warning Flag, this is no joke and I don't want anyone to lose his GPU because of nVIDIA's clowns latest tricks on us.

 

Yeah it figures that drivers released right before April Fools have a nice big gotcha attached to them....... I'm just glad I didn't fry my cards and that I didn't put them on my desktop because they would have fried my 780 Ti without a doubt, especially since the desktop is on win 10

 

Why have The Green Morons 364.72 still listed in driver download? Is Nvidia gone crazy?

 

For every driver from nVidia there should be a splash saying "Install at your own risk, May fry your GPU " & "Newer is always not better"

 

Maybe it's already there in EULA, just no one reads

 

I have been calling for a class action against them for over a year now for rebranding old cards and purposely restricting GPU performance when there is a known issue or when new cards are released. Maybe now this will wake people up.

 

Because you don't need special drivers to use gsync with an external screen. I could do it on my 780Ms if I wanted, for example. Internal gsync on laptops is another matter, and people who paid for Gsync being unable to use it is indeed a problem. In fact, P870DM-G owners with 980M SLI and Gsync would be the people who could make the best claim against it, if they were affected. Games like Dark Souls 3 and The Division simply do not work properly with SLI on older drivers, and forcing them doesn't work all that well either. You need newer drivers for the profiles and/or improvements in the driver, but the new drivers are a hazard to GPUs, so...

Anyway, somewhat on-topic, nVidia users have had ridiculous problems in Dark Souls 3 when using Fermi GPUs. 800 x 600 minimum graphics on a 560 or so nets 23fps or something. Fix? Go back to 314.22 drivers or thereabouts, and suddenly +30fps. In a 2016 launched title. That should be a testament to how bad they're getting with drivers.

They won't wake up. People are "unless it happens to me I don't care" too much to actually do anything. If everyone's GPU died, maybe people might complain badly.

 

It's even more tragic that many of those complaining about this issue on Steam are being bombarded with demoralising insults and criticisms by the usual mob of know-it-alls; being told that their GPUs are beyond even the farthest bounds of obsolescence. Yet if this pseudo-mob had bothered to consider what was happening, especially with the driver option, they'd realise how ignorant they sound. They prefer to get lazy and ignore the basic fact that such a low performance isn't merited, even on a substantially older graphics card. This is the kind of apathy paired with a self-centred 'I'm alright, Jack' mentality that leads us to the following.

 

ditto, I'll do that from now on

 

bro, how do I make GSYNC is working on my screen? Like I never had the issue of GSYNC not being there in the NVCPL, maybe because I have a 200W GTX 980 (not the M version)? I am using the Prema VBIOS on it but now these GSYNC not working reports is starting to make me have my doubts......like could it be that I have GSYNC in the NVCPL but it's not actually doing its magic? I noticed that my FPS is capped @ 75 FPS in Heaven Benchmark if GSYNC is on but is there another way to verify that it's actually working ?

 

Start up a game and fire up Hwinfo+Rtss for monitoring your Fps.

 

so if the game is locked @ 75 GPS that means its GSYNC? is that enough proof that it's actually working right?

 

I mean so(or maybe the game also have to support G-sync?) I haven't tried but you should test it

 

games don't need to support GSYNC, it works on a hardware level

 

Looks like NVIDIA has released an updated Vulkan driver 364.91. Download links from their developer site here. Not sure if these support notebook GPUs, though.

 

Old news, not recommended unless you are working on Vulkan

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...72-findings-fixes.789930/page-7#post-10233096

 

And what then? Given class action lawsuit history it won't change a thing. You will get your $10 off Target coupon, fatcats will get the most, and companies will continue doing things that they do.

 

Well continually buying products from said company, then continually downloading and trying to install drivers that based on recent history are probably broken at the very least, then continually *****ing about said company, their drivers and the issues people are having sure as hell ain't changing anything now is it. This whole "there's nothing we can do" disease that has infected the world helps absolutely no one.

 

So why did you buy a laptop with 980m? I think you would make a bigger message on how screwed up nVidia is by not buying it.

 

There is an inherent futility to it all, but that certainly doesn't solve anything. Instigating change requires effort, even against insurmountable odds, this can mean voting principally with one's wallet and making the appropriate amount of noise.

 

Your point is very valid and I feel the same thing. But the issue that despite all the issues, comparatively Nvidia is the best option if you want to go for performance. If you want to go ahead with other options, you will have to sacrifice performance which nobody is willing to do.
And its not like the other options are issue free, All have their own set of problems.

 

Trust me, I bought it against my better judgement but I simply was not ready to give up the AW18 yet. I don't benchmark or anything so the 18 was still one of the best options for me, actually the only option since I didn't want to go down to 17 inches.

But I'm not constantly updating drivers and complaining when they don't work. I have been on 3 drivers in the last year or so. And I did atleast discuss a class action with a lawyer.

You got all bothered when I mentioned a class action, I was simply stating that the complaining we have all done for a year now has accomplished nothing, a class action can't do worse than that.

 

I know it. I always make my statements when I see things, but I'm not ready to start a movement that nobody will follow, because at the end of the day all I do is hurt myself. What's a leader without followers? I definitely tell everyone willing to listen what to watch out for, but still.

You look. Force framedrops below 75; especially near the 45fps mark. It's not hard. Load up BF4 and run the game on ultra with 200% resolution scale, or 100% is fine if your screen is 4K. Instant low FPS. If it's smooth, then gsync. If it's choppy, then not gsync.

You don't need to specify so much. There is no 200W 980M. Just saying the mobile 980 is fine. Less typing for you, and everyone else knows what you mean. Your laptop is in your sig anyway, that model only has the 200W 980 for an option (only as in, not the 180W or 150W variants, etc).

This is all well and good when competition exists. Competition doesn't exist. Either he buys a 980M, or he buys a GPU barely able to handle newer games at enjoyable framerates. SLI isn't even a guarantee anymore. Either I play Dark Souls 3 single GPU and lower some graphics, or I update to brick-happy 364.72 and get the SLI profile. I'm using a single card. A M290X would be worse, give or take. And then if he/she DID get two AMD cards, and DID play games that played nice with multi-GPU, he/she STILL couldn't use it in windowed mode, as CrossfireX is fullscreen only.

 

Yeah, lack of options is a real issue here. The amazing thing is that this type of conversation even needs to be had. Drivers this continuously screwed up from anyone is unacceptable. Was only recently people were losing their computers due to windows 10 drivers and certain software, now this from NVIDIA drivers. I feel bad for everyone going through any of that and frankly it scares me enough that I don't even bother with the most recent drivers. That right there is the biggest issue, no one should buy a product and have to fall behind because they fear staying current could ruin that product.

 

So you don't buy anything then. Hey, I didn't start "we need to make a stance" thing. You most certainly not make a stance against something by buying their products. I understand the lack of competition perfectly fine, was the reason I bought 970, but don't expect me to feel sorry for people who bash NVidia (not that it isn't deserved), then go out and buy their stuff. Some even do it repeatedly...
Hypocrisy at its best!

 

I just can't see it as hypocrisy if someone is looking for a laptop and buys nVidia right now. There's just nothing else to choose from, realistically. Either you do without a machine (nope.jpg) or you shoot yourself in the foot for a machine (nope.avi).

It's a real different story if there's a desktop we're considering. 980Ti or Fury X? Hate nVidia? Fury X. 390 vs 970? 390. 390X vs 980 vs fury? Fury/390X. choice all over, and the thing is, you at LEAST get similar performing machines. Lack of choice I don't really consider the hypocrisy thing. If I have to bash nVidia from here till 2017, and time comes for new cards, and what I need means I *NEED* a nVidia card, I sure as hell am getting one, because otherwise I can't do whatever it is I need. It doesn't mean I *want* a nVidia card, or that I think it's fine that they're being crappy like this. But I happen to need one of their products for something so I'm forced to either buy it, or do without what I need.

 

Heh. With the kind of strident divisiveness one sees amongst consumers over the most trivial of things, it's a wonder that anyone can be held to account.

Hypocrisy is something one attributes to actual intent or moral principles behind an action, and when someone buys something out of jaded pragmatism (lack of options or more immediate concerns), while still being critical of said product, they aren't being hypocritical -- they're being calculating and realistic, which aren't mutually exclusive positions.

 

Exactly.

For example: I play all my games in some sort of windowed mode if I can. It's just what I do, because I alt tab a lot and take breaks to chat or whatever.

If you handed me a single-GPU system and there were comparable AMD and nVidia cards, I'd pick AMD.

If you handed me a multi-GPU system, even if there were slightly stronger AMD cards, I would STILL pick nVidia... because AMD multi-GPU won't work in windowed mode, and they don't seem to care about fixing that anytime soon.

If I got a multi-GPU AMD system I would be wasting the second card approximately 98% of the time... in addition to the games that don't use multi-GPU. And lack of driver-level hacking for support via nVidia Inspector is also a worse thing. It's simple, I can't use AMD multi-GPU. It doesn't mean I LIKE nVidia. It doesn't mean I *want* nVidia. All it means is that for my needs I have no choice.

Granted such reasoning may be considered trivial by many here, but that's how I use my machine, and how I will continue to use it for possibly as long as I game.

 

There's always an option i.e. not buying anything.

 

But, then what would they have to b*tch about?

 

Good point

 

I would pick single GPU AMD in both cases. So, who am I: a man who fails to see real life and to calculate right or...?

 

AMD needs to do mobile polaris...like yesterday!

 

Can somebody with a kepler top mobile (680M, 780M, 880M) run a 3dmark11 assessment on latest drivers, STOCK CLOCKS. I really want to get an idea of what everybody is scoring these days on latest drivers before I make the switch back to 8970M.

I'm hitting about 15600 graphics score stock clocks 780M, 16000 graphics score overclocked to about 950/1300. I'm sure scores were better than this on older drivers, no? Are they gimping Kepler cards?