(Part 2) If U Can Solve This U R King

I set Dragon Center to Comfort mode instead of Sport Mode and I got higher framerates reaching 150fps for the first time, while GPU clock not trying to boost more than 1530MHz-1630MHz. On Sport Mode, GPU Clock tried to boost to 1800 then 1700 then 1600 and keeps fluctuating between the three levels while framerates dont exceed 135fps max during gameplay.

I would like to lock my GPU Boost to 1535MHz as a maximum clock (how?). When the GPU tries to exceed this clock I get drop in FPS. This is one thing I learned from the graphs in Post#92. I am confident more insights can be extracted if you put your head into it.

 

Use Crtl+F to undervolt it and change it like you need.

 

I told him about 4 or 5 pages ago to go into MSI Afterburner and set a custom Voltage/Frequency curve for his GPU!!!

 

Go into MSI Afterburner. Hit ctrl+F. Set curve there.

 

First thing I told him upon seeing this thread.
undervolt is the only way out. Otherwise repaste and repad with Kryonaut and Arctic pads for best results.

 

Undervolt of 100mv on CPU and setting a custom freg/voltage curve that will not let my GTX 1080 go above 1800mhz has solved all thermal problems I was having with my Razer Blade Pro and my FPS in games actually went up due to no thermal throttling and solved the problem of the dumb ass fact that Razer sold these laptops with an under powered power supply (250w when it needed 330w).

 

here for future reference a little BF3 run on Tornado F5, 6700K set @ 3,1Ghz on all core, Gtx 1080 on 150W vBios,
I started with medium settings at 1920x1080 and at 2:44 I switched them all to ultra.
Observed framerate goes down from 200 to 145.



Cheers and ready to test! (and play maybe)

 

Great, thank you Aaron. Any GTX1070 users would like to volunteer their BF3 results as well please?

Observations from Aaron's video:

1) Frequency Stability: His GPU clock is stable at the higher end (1790MHz-1840MHz). My GPU clock can only be stable at the lower end (1440MHz-1550Mhz). GTX1070 is rated to reach 1911MHz.

2) Framerate Sensitivity to Settings: His framerates are more sensitive to a change in graphic settings (an increase by max of 40fps from ultra to medium), whereas my framerates barely change when switching from ultra to low. CPU Bottleneck?

3) My Low Framerates: Even me running BF3 at lowest settings and resolution (120-135fps) would still give much lower framerates than him running at ultra (150fps+). He underclocked his cpu. Something is off.

The goal of this thread is:

A) Achieve stability of (1)

B) Understand the reasons behind (2) and (3)

 

Did you try an nvidia driver update and I think gpu clocks are getting locked?

 

I tried up to v388.0 no difference.

*UPDATE to Future MSI Readers*

Only for older games, setting power plan to 'Optimal' in 3D Settings in Nvidia Control Panel combined with 'Comfort Mode' in Dragon center seems to give the most stable GPU clock in Battlefield 3 and highest possible framerates. Throughout this thread, it was set on Maximum Performance in NV CP and Sport Mode in Dragon Center. After the adjustment, the GPU clock is now stable between 1550MHz-1650MHz during gameplay and framerates increased by 4-7fps, and GPU temperature is more under control, though still high in my case (80C - maximum fan rpm, very loud). This is a safe way to stabilize clocks and framerates for those who are not too confident to tinker with voltage and frequency curves in MSI Afterburner.

However, for new GPU bound games such as The Witcher 3, you will only get max possible FPS with stable clocks if you set it on Maximum Performance in NV CP and Sport Mode in Dragon Center.

Back to Post #108, I can say objective A is partially achieved (low-end stability). Still need to work on objective B. I am still not satisfied with the framerate levels in BF3. I believe my specs can run at higher stable framerates. Current is 80fps-130fps depending on map.

Before DanishBlunt jumps on me, I am not sure I want to try Kboost in MSI AB. Once I activated it, i heard a soft coil whining noise coming from inside the laptop, some kind of an electric buzz. Then again when I clicked it back to disable it. I will stop at that.

 

Have you tried setting Power management mode to Adaptive and see if that fixes the disable. Download nvidia inspector and hit me up when you're ready.

 

fixes the disable?

Optimal Mode in Nvidia CP gave better results than Adaptive Mode, for older games such as BF3, all combined with Comfort Mode in Dragon Center.

 

What anti-aliasing settings are you using on BF3? I've already told you, it's also the game settings that matter when you want to get the maximum fps possible. Using presets doesn't do much and it's always better to check every setting manually to improve the fps.

 

u havent been reading the last 3 pages macmyc. everything was manually set to lowest including AA and no fps gains.

To test if this is because of a cpu bottleneck i am going to overclock cpu using xtu and see the results. any tips on starting points?

 

Could it be conflicting management software? Intel XTU + Throttle Stop + NVIDIA Control Panel + MSI Afterburner + MSI Dragon Center + Windows Power Management, BIOS level settings, driver versions, etc... Seems like too many variables to me.

Are you positive your paste job is solid and heat sinks not warped and have adequate mounting pressure?

 

Thanks Maleko48. MSI repair center in ontario performed a repaste early this november and I am absolutely not satisfied with their quality of work. My CPU hit 91C on BF3 the same night i received back from MSI. It was serviced again by the computer store and cpu dropped by 7C under load. GPU temp is still very high and neither of them were able to fix it. I am sending it back to MSI and hope they assign it to their best technician and use high quality paste such as grizzly kryonaut. I dont know how to do it myself and plz dont flood this thread with how-to videos. Laptop still under warranty.

I agree too many performance management layers. I uninstalled dragon center during troubleshooting but that didnt help, it is the only app that can suppress gpu boost using comfort mode, while windows cannot unless switched to power saving. I don't t use MSI AB to change clock settings, only to monitor readings. But you have a point.

 

Even I was confused. Fixes the stuttering/worse FPS.

 

Sometimes even the act of monitoring hardware (especially with multiple programs trying to access the same hardware) can cause strange behaviors when it is trying to be utilized legitimately by a game or app.

Did you disable XTU service or set it to manual yet? Even if you don't see a tray icon for an application doesn't mean it is not doing anything behind the scenes.

 

Forget it. 6700Hq is fully locked down. Maybe you can increase PL1 and 2, but this won't help much.

 

The best thing you can do to improve the efficiency for the HQ CPU is an undervolt.

If you are not willing to adjust the voltage to frequency ration in msi AB and you still want to limit your boost clocks, you should install the 8a vBIOS that limits the boost clocks up to 1645Mhz (link below):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B15_BuSjR26WV0NrbldGVzhlWnc/view

 

Thank you. Is it safe flashing back from 8D (my current VBIOS) to 8A? Any risks at all?
And what is the power limit for GTX1070 on 8A?

 

I don't know how I'm supposed to help with this thread.

Danishblunt is that toxic troll who claimed he could run a 7820HK at 5.1 ghz on a GT73VR with a (get this) CUSTOM EC FIRMWARE MOD. Such a thing is impossible because it has NOTHING to do with the EC to begin with. I can pass a cinebench at 4.9 ghz at 1350mv but temps get to 90C JUST in realbench. 5.0 ghz crashes in cinebench and I'm not going to risk putting 1.4mv into a cpu and have it either maybe pass, crash, get 1100CB, laptop VRMs shut off by themselves, or destroy the mainboard. This is with LM, so Danishblunt is full of BS. The HWBOT WORLD RECORD for 7820HK is 5.1 ghz, and it sure as hell is NOT owned by Danishblunt!! No custom EC is needed, just lottery win. Yes I can do a CPU-Z validation at 5 ghz but who cares? You can't game on a 7820HK at 5.1 ghz on a GT73VR. Even if you could pour enough volts into that thing you would reach 100C in SECONDS.

2) I have a GTX 1070 but it's TDP modded to 185W. I suppose I could set it at 115W for you guys (I believe this is 77% power limit if 150W is default).

3) I don't have BF3 installed nor am I going to install it just because someone wants answers with it. What do I have to gain for all that effort?

4) I can do a heaven run at 3.1 ghz and 115W TDP And post scores if that will suffice.

@Papusan

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that risky without a BIOS hard programmer?

 

@Falkentyne No thank you please try not to instill politics into this data-driven thread. Feel free to create a separate thread to settle your grudges. I hope it ends here and not escalate into back and forth bickering leading to thread lock. That's unfair to many current and prospect readers who are awaiting results. Many of us are working hard here, like adults.

 

Why did you need +1.40v for @5.0GHz? @Danishblunt blunt said put Static voltage on 1.27V, multies up until 5.1ghz and there u go You must do something terrible wrong J/K

Best help... Put 6700hq clocks and show how it should work.

 

The power limit should be the same.

Other users have flashed the 8a vbios from different versions and also succesfully flashed back to the previous version, so it should be safe:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...vr-gt62vr-gt72vr-reboot-crash-problem.804978/

 

If the vBios has a valid digital signature there is the only normal risk of flashing.

hey kidda I'm over 34 and I work hard on many aspects

 

This is 77% of 150W TDP on GTX 1070. Mine is modded so this should be as close to 115W TDP as possible.
150-115=35; 35 / 115 * 100=23%, 23% reduction, so 77% in afterburner should be 115W

CARD IS NOT OVERCLOCKED.

 

Do you use a cooling pad under the laptop to keep your GPU so cool?

 

Using Grizzly Conductonaut (LM) on CPU and GPU.

Cinebench @ 3.1 ghz:

 

So no cooling pad i take it?

Your CPU severely under-performed in CN R15. It happens on a first trial. Try again right after a cold boot, disconnect the internet, disable antivirus.

 

In the screenshot he purposively downlclocked to 3.1

 

Oh I see he was trying to set a reference to my 6700HQ @3.1GHz...well it certainly beats it by miles. My 6700HQ @3.2GHz cannot score more than 655 in best case. High priority in task manager, bloat free clean windows install, AV off, Internet disconnected etc... I am just living with it now.

I also seem to be on the lower end of the Heaven scores with my GTX1070 @84.5FPS. I wonder if the i7-6700HQ is limiting my score on Heaven.

Thanks for the benchmarks Falkentyne.

 

Just curious why are you guys on Windows 8 and not Windows 7? For me I won't bother with Windows 8, and Windows 10 has been nothing but problems since the Creator's Update and Fall Creator's Update so I'm pretty ticked off with M$ right now for ruining the Windows 10 experience. Windows 7 is still gold and hasn't failed me yet. It also seems to perform equally well if not better than Win10.

 

he has faster ram I think

 

@maleko Cinebench sees win10 as win8.

MSI does not provide driver support for win7 for its GT series so if you switch you are on your own.

 

@Mobius 1 I and Falk have the same memory speed @2400MHz but he has quad-channel enabled and more memory capacity (32GB) while I operate on single-channel mode with lower memory capacity (one 16GB stick). You think that's where the 4fps are lost in Heaven?

 

My memory is overclocked.
15-15-15-35, 1T (command rate)
tRFC=270
tREFI=32767.

I'm going to try to boot at 5 ghz now without blowing up my BGAbook @Papusan

Ok epic thread derail :/
https://valid.x86.fr/gxpfur

 

What about the bottom of post # 1 here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-intel-haswell-cpu-microcode-bug-hack.790177/

Would that go double for the 7700HQ? Don't they share the same microcode instruction sets?

 

FYI. 6700hq cant do more than 3.1GHz all 4 cores. It's fully locked down!!

Can't with Broadwell, Skylake or Kaby.

 

upgrade to 2x16 and you will see a performance increase (dual channel)


quad channel doesn't exist even if your computer has 4x ram slot, that is only on desktop E boards

 

That is news to me, I have never been much of a benchmark person. I just like to tinker and modify and optimize for the hell of it and for my own personal knowledge. So are you all actually on Windows 10 then? I have seen nothing but strange behavior and quirks cropping up on Windows 10 since the CU and FCU and it somewhat coincides with the various recent driver versions of NVIDIA's drivers as well, but it is still random enough that it can't quite be pinned on any one reason so far. At least based on the numerous forums and threads I have come across since venturing into Windows 10 land. Like I said, I still see Windows 7 as the gold standard myself.

 

You've got that right, Windows Vista, 7, 8.1 are all far more stable right now.

Windows 10 may never get to the point of being stable, and it's sure not the OS I'd like to have to count on for my work right now.

It's sad to see so many people wasting their time chasing their tails with Windows 10, it's far worse than any other Windows release I've seen, and Windows 10 just keeps getting worse and worse as time moves on.

 

First of all, that "bug" won't work with skylake and kabylake HQ processors. I remember Haswell HQ processors having several bugs allowing multiplier increases.
Its been known for awhile you can do crazy stuff with haswell and TDP locked processors and bypassing some of that stuff.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/tdp-and-power-limiting-haswell.766743/

6700HQ and 7700HQ are fully locked down. Such a thing wouldn't work anyway.
It would be nice if it would, but let's say you COULD somehow hack a MSR to allow 38x on all 4 cores?
Lets pretend you could do that.

Then what are you going to do about the 45W TDP?
You try to bypass this via MSR, then you run into the almighty PECI power limits controlled by the Embedded Controller. Good Game Well Played.

You guys can try setting a NEGATIVE IMON OFFSET of -31999 if your bios supports that. Then you had better hope the EC doesn't see the CPU is going past 45W and put it right back.....

 

@hmscott Since you love electronics, can we please have your feedback on post #20?

 

I'm not going to lie, for general productivity and enjoyment of daily use, I do like some of the new features and functions Windows 10 brings to the table. They are handy for efficiently using multiple windows/desktops when trying to code and do other stuff that involves general multitasking. BUT I DON'T LIKE a whole lot of other stuff it brings with it. It is so disappointing to see ads embedded in an operating system that is paid for. Settings are strewn about all over the damn place, some being redundant, some only able to be accessed from a legacy panel or modern panel, etc. It just doesn't feel like a user has true control over their hardware on Windows 10 at this point. Performance is all over the place with a mountain of bugs compared to Win7. For gaming (admittedly I am not much of a gamer these days) I think Windows 7 is still the best choice even if you don't have "official" support. My 2012 HP laptop shipped with Windows 8 and I have only ever ran Windows 7 on it since I got it and it's been flawless and much snappier than Windows 10 O/S on a far superior set of hardware specs. I have been trying really damn hard to like Windows 10 but I am scared it may never arrive at this point. There are still glaring bugs M$ hasn't addressed in 2+ years time for crying out loud.

@Unhappy User why not dual boot a lean Windows 7 install and see what you get out of it? It's a much simpler ecosystem imo. My current Win7 install (not lean) lives on an 80GB partition and only uses 63GB fully patched, updated, etc. with some (not all) software installed to its partition. Nothing to lose running it parallel alongside your existing Windows 10 partition.

EDIT: Also, 15GB of that is SolidWorks. So realistically my standard install is around 48GB. A lean install could probably be achieved around 32-45GB

 

I've been watching briefly from the sideline's got too much going on to get into the middle of it, but I was going to post the notebookcheck 6700HQ / 7700HQ review / info pages, which have collected many scores for both CPU's, including CB, which show a wide range of scores and your score is just fine. A bit low for the average, but not the lowest.

Your experience is more typical than these long threads indicate, and I'd just roll up the tents and enjoy your laptop moving forward, any small improvement's are going to not make much difference.

If you don't like it, sell it, or return it if you can, but really average scores are just that, there are scores below and above, and sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you get below average.

I think you've tuned everything you can, and know what to do, so once you have optimized for the best, stop and enjoy it, or get rid of it and move on to something that will make you happier.

 

It is fixable, I mean you have to do quite som registry fixes, GP fixes, uninstall bloatware, turn off services etc. but once you're done with all that windows 10 is quite usable.

 

@hmscott, thanks. Will stop complaining about CPU performance. I lost in the Silicon Lottery.

I just wanted to know if the 200Watt and other readings on my default XTU profile are normal or not. I and Macmyc have same processor and same laptop, but we have different default readings.

 

I looked at that profile.
The 200W you see is a 'default' XTU profile. It probably read the presets wrong or something.
Worth noting that Throttlestop was also showing 200W power limit default for me, when I had my Bios set to 500W.
I "thought" there was a way to get XTU to read the proper 45W setting, but I uninstalled XTU. I only use the Bios and Throttlestop.