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    (Rumor - possibly SLI 980) GTX 1080M benchmarks - faster than Titan X

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, May 20, 2016.

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    http://videocardz.com/60211/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080m-faster-than-gtx-titan-x
     
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    SLI!! SLI!! SLI!! :p

    It does seem more like the score a mobile desktop 1080 would get, and that makes sense to run with water cooling, due to the much higher TDP a mobile desktop 1080 would have over a detuned 1080m.
     
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    34k graphics score does not come from just one card..
     
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    I think he was using the Sky X9 from Eurocom. It comes with the i7 6700 CPU, and either duel 980ms in SLI or 980 single.
     
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    Cloudfire please change the title of this thread, it's very misleading. This isn't 1080m, heck the Graphics score is even higher than a desktop 1080 so it isn't 1080 Notebook either. Thi is most likely a 980 Notebook SLI.
     
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    Why would they release a 980 sli notebook ? This thing has to have a pascal part in it
     
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    Because no Pascal GPU at stock clocks besides a GP100 is capable of those scores. Could be a 1080M SLI but 1080M should still be a way off, and if it is 1080M SLI it's very underwhelming.
     
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    Very underwhelming given that it will match my current laptop
     
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    I went ahead and changed the title. I agree there's no way it is a single card and I'm doubtful it's Pascal as well.
     
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    It seems to be watercooled, can it be a single 1080m (full 1080 desktop) running >2100Mhz?

    Cheers,
     
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    So pretty much confirmed its dual 980s. Wow pascal mobile must be a few months out
     
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    The 3dmark page shows that it's 980 sli
     
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    That's expensive stuff, from MSI as an air-cooled GT80S 980 SLI it's $4500+.

    $5000 is what my estimate is for an SLI 1080, let's hope it's not much more, and maybe a little less.

    It's a unicorn, you gotta make a Rainbow of Money for a Unicorn :)
     
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    SLI 1080 will not happen this year.

    Not enough GDDR5x to go around anyways.
     
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    How close is the Asus result for 3dmark11 to your own best MSI GT80S 980 SLI score?
     
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    I asked for @HaloGod2012 's MSI GT80S 980 SLI best score, not Thumper's planet's awesome highest score for a different GPU SLI ;)

    Anyone else with an MSI GT80S 980 SLI best score on 3dmark11 for comparison to the new mystery Asus GXXX?
     
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    I'll upload this for you later today
     
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    Although many of us might want one, I don't think many of us will be able to justify spending so much money to get a 1080 mobile desktop SLI laptop.

    So I think Asus / MSI / Clevo / Acer / ??? can spare what, less than 100 set's of DDR5X memory to build a stable of 1080 desktop mobile laptop Unicorns? :confused: :cool:

    I sure hope so, Unicorns are so Majestic to behold, even if I can't ride one. :p
     
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    id like to go back to pointing out that @Prema linked to a 3dmark score involving a p870dm with a friggin 6700k/980 sli setup... um, HELLO?!?! more info on that puhlease?! :D

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    @Mr. Fox was ping'd about it when the score(s) were first found, but mum's the word I guess :)

    The 980 SLI P870DM was/is rumored for a long time, but I kinda gave up on the idea when Pascal "seems" so close.

    Now that Asus might actually be releasing a 980 SLI laptop - even though all the press are still saying it's a 1080 mobile of some kind - maybe it's not too late for the Clevo PremaMod 980 SLI laptop to make it to market to snatch the performance crown from the MSI / Asus versions?
     
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    yes im aware of the rumors starting pretty much from day one but this was the first ive seen of an actual working solution, brilliant! :D

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    I really highly doubt there will be any desktop pascal for laptops any time this year. Max we can expect is news about the 1080m. Which might perform marginally better than the 980 (200W). It would be amazing if they will be able to maintain the size of the 980 (185W) version.
    But what most people are not taking into account is the fact that, none of these cards will be available on the market and will come bundled with a system. And even if someone does manage to start selling cards, it will cost an arm and a leg which might make it totally not worth it.
     
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    MSI has a GPU upgrade program for their GT72 / GT72S / GT80 / GT80S laptops, as part of the feature set for their enthusiast laptops.

    MSI provided 980m's (970m's too) GPU Upgrade Kits for their last generation GT72 MXM laptops too:
    https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT72-MXM-Graphics-Upgrade-kit.html#hero-overview

    Here's an example of the 980m upgrade kit in the wild for purchase, $815, GPU and replacement heatsink / etc.
    http://www.hidevolution.com/nvidia-gtx-980m-8gb-upgrade-kit-for-msi-gt72.html

    Here is the instructional video on how to do the upgrade, at least the version posted by MSI to Youtube:
    MSI GT72 Dominator (Pro) GTX 900M series MXM graphics upgrade

    So at least MSI will be providing 1080m(/1070m?), and maybe even 980 => 1080 MXM GPU upgrades to many fortunate owners of the last generation of MSI GT series laptops :)
     
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    Damn nice! Didn't know about that. That is indeed good support from the company. Only wish their power delivery wasn't gimped.
     
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    MSI didn't have the framework to support a fully realized 980 SLI, only a single 330w PSU, and little time to expand the power base to give it the legs it wanted.

    But, as with the Asus GX700 the MSI GT80S 980SLI is one of those Unicorn products/projects that beckoned to be made, with whatever parts you have on hand to implement and ship within the window of opportunity.

    The only other choice was to not built it. And, that would be sad.

    Kinda like seeing the Moon out overhead every night (and day), and not reaching out to touch it when you can just about make it safely.

    Moonshots can be uncomfortably imperfect - cramped, cold, dangerous, and a little wet, just like the Unicorn laptops :p

    I for one am thrilled that Nvidia, MSI and Asus made their Moonshots the opp with what they had during the 980 mobile desktop GPU's reign.

    I don't think anyone involved in a Moonshot regret's it completely, no matter how wet they get :eek: :rolleyes: o_O

    You were talking about the GT80S 980 SLI power limitations specifcally? Or the power limitations in general for MSI laptops?
     
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    Haha true. But i can only imagine if they had the time or if wish to work out the kinks in the current system to support 2 x 330W PSU, that system would sell like hot cakes. Specially with their upgradability backing.
     
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    Totally.

    I don't think MSI knew if they were going to have enough time to do it the right way.

    Making custom - non-standard non-off-the-shelf power supplies, and in quantity, has a long lead time.

    Unless MSI were already in the process of stepping up to a 450w PSU or higher rating for the GT80 series there wasn't time to do so on such short notice.

    The 980 mobile desktop SLI opportunity caught everyone flat-footed so to speak vis-a-vie power systems to support it.

    The good news now they have had time and MSI is hopefully put a program in place to step up the power for the GT80, and even GT72 series for high end GPU/CPU configurations.
     
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    Well, pay Delta or Chikony (dont know the spelling) for the same ones as the Clevo. Ez Pz.
     
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    Clevo also only has 330w power supplies... and I don't think Clevo makes the adapter to merge 2 330w power supplies to gain more power. Also Clevo doesn't support using more than 1 330w power supply.

    Not sure if the 2x 330 came from AW, or if it's always been a 3rd party hack enabled by custom BIOS/EC's for AW / Clevo.

    MSI GT80's also don't support the 2x 330w psu's + adapter, but would work with them. It wasn't until the GT80S 980 SLI that MSI put in a throttle / limit on the power that could be drawn from the external PSU.

    I think all the manufacturers are in the same PSU conundrum. The largest PSU available commercially in production is the 330w PSU.

    The Asus GX700 power solution uses a pair of existing PSU's from their build inventory.

    As I recall, Asus uses a 180w power supply to power the GX700 independent of the dock, and a 330w(/230w) power supply to power the dock, which I think can be effectively ganged for combined power of 520w(/420w/???) - ???

    Not too sure on this configuration, as there haven't been any GX700's I have seen in the wild, I have seen differing reports of the PSU's used, but I haven't seen a single larger than 330w power supply mentioned.
     
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    I think they do actually support the 2 x 330W, since the P870DM-G was designed for 2 x 980M. And after adding a desktop CPU definitely pushes things further.
    Also i haven't been able to find any other supplier for the y Adapter , or even a compatible replacement. They are only available through the usual seller EUROCOM/HIDEvolution/etc etc. Mainly EUROCOM seems to be the supplier for the most part.
    They are actually supported by default even without any custom BIOS or anything of that sort, are pretty much a requirement for the 2 x 980M setup.
    Someone did mention it in the MSI GT80S thread that even if hook those up, the gimped BIOS system limits things so its useless.

    Prema did have a poll and thread up on TI, checking interest in higher wattage PSU's. Lets see how that pans out in the future, i loved the look on the TSA officers face last week, when i was travelling from SFO to LAX and he saw my Laptop with the massive brick xD. He wanted to talk about it and try it, but it was so busy there.

    But the main problem right now wont be acquiring the PSU/Y-Adapters, it would be to implement good power handling/delivery support in the systems themselves. Since there are idiots like me and amazing tweakers like @Mr. Fox @Papusan @johnksss and of course gods like @Prema , who truly push these systems to their limits.
    (had cracked open the Y-adapter and the set-up inside is rather simple and can be easily reproduced)
     
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    Clevo makes the adapter and they do officially support it, it was pretty much a requirement for the P570WM. It's called the AC-100.

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    Pretty straightforward...
     
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    Power to the People Man, power to the People :)
     
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    Damn, I thought that started as a 3rd party thing for AW's?

    Nice to see it's official from Clevo :)

    Hmmm, maybe it's coming back to me now, long lost memory, the Clevo adapter was appropriated by AW enthusiasts, rather than the other way around? Anyone else recall?
     
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    Yeah the AC-100 was originally for dual 300W power supplies for the X7200 from Clevo. Alienware owners got word of it and started working on it although in some cases it was found the system couldn't have any higher power (like the Alienware 18 where everyone wanted it).
     
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    Delleienware crippled the possibility for use of dual 330W on Aw18, when they saw that @Mr. Fox showed this was possible with AW M18XR2. Dell don't want to sell powerful machines. Just see the new line and you will understand!! Pushed 180w psu and hybrid bios for laptops with Gtx980M :eek:
     
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    Most probably. Maybe Prema already has something cooking.
     
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    what I'm really waiting for is the TI version which will inevitably be about 40 to 50 percent faster than the 1080

    I feel as if pascal has a lot of stride in it's step and nvidia are doing this to make people buy both releases
     
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    That definitely is what it looks like.

    Personally, my Desktop SLI setup has been able to run everything at solid framerates at 1440p, so I haven't felt the pressure to upgrade even though the 1080s will be faster.

    That might change when Battlefield 1 comes out as well as some of the other Q4 titles but by then we may have 1080ti annoucements (or at least by Q1 2017)
     
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