1050 Ti vs 970m

I have a couple of doubts about the Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti for laptops.

1. Does the 1050 Ti exceed 970m? When I google it, I can not find a definitive answer.
2. Nvidia and Notebookcheck say that this card supports G-Sync (even in laptops), so my laptop with 1050 Ti could use this technology without external monitor?
3. Is the desktop version less powerful than the laptop version? Assuming it has a good cooling.

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1- The Notebook 1050Ti is basically a 970M with less TDP (70 vs 80W), less cuda cores (768 vs 1280), better clocks (1493 vs 924Mhz) and a better boost clock (1620 vs 1038).

The main advantage of the 1050Ti is the fact it can run much cooler than the 970M (was known to overheat in order to keep a consistent fps) and still produce the same performance.

2- No, I have not yet seen a laptop with a G-Sync enabled GTX 1050Ti. If the GPU is not G-Sync enabled, then it won't do G-Sync even with an external G-Sync monitor.

3- Pascal notebook GPUs are supposed to be on par with the desktop counterparts, with a margin of around 10%. So no, a laptop GPU cannot beat its desktop version, even with high end cooling (Except the GTX 1070, it has more cuda cores than the desktop 1070, but less room for overclocking due to cooling limitations).

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Thanks!

 

You're welcome.
I assume you are torn between two laptops, with the 970M one being cheaper. If it's the case, I'd most likely go for the 1050Ti, because most laptop manufacturers tend to improve their cooling solution with each CPU/GPU revision. A cooler GPU with a more effective cooling solution is worth every penny!

 

Yet I can run any game on 99% util and not pass 64C on auto fans @ 1238Mhz on the core on a 35C day. With forced max fans it never goes over 55C.

I'd love to see your source of 970M being a hot running GPU seeing as mine runs cool af.

 

This stood out to me too. Maxwell was known for running cool in general. I also had both a 980m and a 970m and both ran extremely cool too.

 

Indeed, Maxwell runs rather cool. However, given that the 1050 Ti is a lower-end GPU (GP107) on the Pascal scale, it is likely to run as cool, too, and perform as well.

 

Kinda have to agree - my 970M, even with the quiet fan profile, runs at about 80*C under extended maximum load. In most games, I get 74-75*C

 

1.So answer your question - 1050 Ti and 970M are basically identical in terms of performance overall.
2.1050 Ti G-sync laptops don't exist. Not sure if that applies to external monitors but it probably does as Optimus disables the 1050 Ti when idling which would mean G-sync won't pick it up and won't allow you to enable it.
3.No, the desktop card is about 10% faster

 

Which is better after overclock? The 970m has a much lower clock than the 1050Ti and so probably higher OC room percentage-wise ...especially if using modded vbios, so my first assumption would be that the increased core count would put the 970m ahead.

 

Depends on what your cooling solution can handle. The 970M is basically what the 960 Ti was rumoured to be a while back. The 1050 Ti desktop performs marginally better than the 960 desktop when both are OCed so it stands to reason than if you throw in a few extra cores and give the 960 some extra bandwidth (it is bandwidth-starved) then it might pull ahead. But that's all guesswork.

 

Guys, okay, just to clear my statement up:
I did say the 970M "overheats", but it is not based off of experience, obviously. Just comparing the numbers gives it away; more cuda cores and more TDP will automatically mean the 970M is more prone to heat up, and that of course, compared to the 1050Ti, which is supposed to run cooler and more efficiently. Of course, repastes and heatsink mods exist, and that alone can make the 970M run as cool as a 1050Ti, even when overclocked.
Again, my statement is what every "sane" person would say upon seeing the numbers, and not what actually happens. I apologize if it created some confusion.

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verb
verb: overheat; 3rd person present: overheats; past tense: overheated; past participle: overheated; gerund or present participle: overheating
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make or become too hot.
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The difference is massive.

 

If the system has some form of DisplayPort output (full size, mini, or Thunderbolt), then it most likely is connected to the NVIDIA GPU. As such G-Sync would work on an external monitor.


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You're just looking at spec sheets and trying to make a judgement based off that rather than real world testing.

You're also missing crucial facts that Pascal is a die shrink due to the fabrication process being reduced from 28nm on Maxwell to 16nm on Pascal. With less surface area on the die to dissipate heat one would assume Pascal would be the hotter card if you did the math of die size vs TDP.

 

You're also right, but that's not what happens, right? The 1050Ti runs marginally cool in pretty much every laptop sporting it (to this moment). According to the benchmarks I've found, It rarely exceeds 72 degrees on maximum load even with a stock paste.

 

That doesn't account for heatsink size, heatpipe design, heatsink material, fan speed, fan design and even ambient temperature. In order to get a TRUE 1:1 reading, you need the exact same laptop aside from the GPU. Otherwise it's comparing apples to cats and saying one of them has claws.

 

Very rare will you find a laptop sporting a GTX 1050Ti and having incompetent cooling. Who would buy that? Fans are really fairly similar in most laptops because manufacturers purchase the parts from similar makers. What really makes a difference is the size of the chassis. If various laptops have the same level of thickness, temperature variations won't exceed 5 degrees, and yes, that does depend on the paste used, heatsinks and ambient temps. Bottom line, you CAN compare a bunch of different laptops with the same GPU, provided they are similarly thick/thin.

 

There are MANY differences in fans - too many to even care to list here. Thickness is as irrelevant as you can get - you can have a thick overheating laptop (Gigabyte P55X) as well as a properly cooled thin one (MSI GS63) - thickhess is VERY irrelevant here. What you need to compare is heatsinks and fans - as I pointed out - and the heatpipe design.

As for overheating 1050 TI laptops - most of them have the CPU very hot but there are one or two models where the 1050 TI runs extremely hot as well.

Bottom line - comparing GPU thermals in different laptops is the worst way you can go about it.

 

Easiest way to do it: we need someone with a P640RE and a P640HK. The CPU would be different, but in an entirely GPU-bound benchmark or power virus like FurMark, it wouldn't matter much (if at all) since we're only looking at thermal output, not the performance of the card.

I strongly believe that the 1050 Ti wouldn't run significantly warmer than the 970M, given that it has so few CUDA cores. In fact, the comparison is moot because the 1050 Ti doesn't replace the 970M, it replaces the 950M/960M. Rather odd to compare GM204 to GP107, which is two performance brackets down.

A more apt comparison would either be what I mentioned above, or the 970M versus the 1060, in which case the 1060 is almost universally hotter. See P650RP vs P650HP.

 

How do you know that DP bypasses optimus? Do Intel gpus not support dp?

I mainly ask because if DP bypass optimus I should be able to use that port for VR which otherwise won't work with optimus

 

At what specific laptop are you looking?

I don't know of any, in which the DP isn't connected to the dGPU. I don't think anything else is possible.

 

I have an HP Zbook 15 G1 that I'm working on upgrading with a 1070 notebook card