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    1070 mxm damaged?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Crustieraxe01, Nov 16, 2020.

  1. Crustieraxe01

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    So, I bought 1070 mxm graphics for my Alienware m17x r4 after 30 days the 1070 that I bought for it stops working. I send it in for warranty since the guy on ebay that I bought it from offers it. Very long story short, I sold that laptop, then I get the 2nd new 1070 and without any means of testing and assuming it was in working conditions, (I know it was stupid) immediately post to sell it on ebay. (No I could not return it on ebay since I was past their 30 day protection or do any sort of claim). It took like a month for it to get it to me. Buyer then buys my graphics card, then I'm made aware by my buyer that the graphics card has damaged resistors and sent in these pictures. I took pictures of the card when I received it and it had this damage but I did not notice it so immediately the buyer did not do this. Either way, I would like to know if this is somehow repairable by any means or if this damage is unrepairable.

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    -Lesson 1. If you buy a gpu for a laptop make sure you still have the laptop to test it out.
    -Lesson 2. Always inspect VERY closely anything like that and return for a refund only, no warranty garbage etc.

    I'm no expert but it looks to me like if you had the soldering equipment and expertise it looks repairable, but it could have had burn marks, from burnout, on the solder that were cleaned off by the original seller who knows. Looks like only mechanical damage aka bad soldering by someone outside of the OEM, red flag. I can't tell but one of the components looks to be chipped. Sounds like a mess unless you have the equipment to do it, and can somehow get the component part numbers to order them if it doesn't work after resoldering. Where did you order it from China? 30 days to get a new one back to you is ridiculous for such an expensive item, I wouldn't accept that from a seller. Take the loss and sell it as for parts only.
     
  3. mirage_bg

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    If it is one of those Chinese 1070 garbage which use the black Quadro's PCB with GTX die on it - avoid those like a plague! They burn like hell and sellers have one of the worst warranty policies...
     
  4. Crustieraxe01

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    Yup. I'll definitely take the L and sell it for parts. Seems like next time I'll be more catious and not make these stupid mistakes. Thanks for the advice anyways!

    And yes, i got it from china and it took 30 days to get it back after I sent the old one in. And the fact that I didn't test it, and It was on ebay selling for 2 months doesn't help at all since ebay would not cover this at all. This was all a storm of very unfortunate and stupid mistakes beginning by selling the only laptop that I could test it on.
     
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    My only other thought would be to see if you can get the china place to do anything for you, maybe they would but it would be a risk with no ebay protection at all, maybe take it to a local pc repair shop and see how much they'd charge to work on it might be better then the low price you'd get for it as it is. But if you can't test it independently that would be a problem too. Good luck.
     
  6. Crustieraxe01

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    I'll just sell it on ebay for parts. Someone else can get a really good deal if they're willing to repair it and everything else is alright. It'll boot up but just not have any signal going through like my buyer also said. No beeps or anything. It could be a sign that is barely alive? Seems like a pretty deciving repair in the way that it seems simple enough, but there could also be other problems that could then again affect functionality. Too many questions, and almost no answers.
     
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  7. mirage_bg

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    This sounds like vBios incompatibility.
    With another one it will most probably post a screen.
     
  8. Crustieraxe01

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    I was wrong actually. He was able to test it and everything and it posted. He just could not install the drivers successfully. He has done everything right in order to get it to work. But it only appears as a microsoft basic display adapter.
     
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    this is another sign of incompatible vbios - after driver install you end up with microsoft basic display adapter and error 43 in device manager.
    Is this card g-sync 1BE1 or non gsync 1BA1?
     
  10. Crustieraxe01

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    1BA1 and he had an alienware 18 with sli 880Ms.
     
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    Well then it looks like it's not physically damaged it would just take some tweaking by an expert to get it going, maybe sell it here on the marketplace.
     
  13. Crustieraxe01

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    He already returned it to me lol. I would try to get it running again, but then again, I have nothing to do so. The very laptop that I could test it on, I sold.
     
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    I think the PCB is from HP's Zbook machines, and made for 80W TDP range, and they never go beyond 115W in the gaming performance and probably not even advised to do so either. I think that is the only option for the MXM3.0b PCB design for many machines out there without dremel and getting the much higher power 1070 from MSI. Not sure they burn up, first time I'm hearing that these are bad quality. Unfortunate since this was the only option for the M17x R4 and R1 without changing the whole chassis. 1060 is more of an OCed 980M with less VRAM on top and no Custom BIOS option compared to a 980M.
     
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    Well I talked to the buyer and got more information from him anyways. It seems like the card might seem to run fine. He wasn't in UEFI Mode at all (bios and windows install) and the drivers would install fine, but windows would diasble the 1070 for some reason without any error code. This might be where the resistor issue might come into play or if its the UEFI issue. Im not sure what are the side effects of not having not having UEFI environment while trying to get the 1070 set up.
     
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    I didn’t understood, so the guy that bought the gpu from you tested it on AW18 and he didn’t managed to install nvidia drivers right? He tried to modified nvidia drivers and disabling firmware signs windows stuff ? Or just simple tried to install nvidia drivers?
     
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    Buddy, i'm confused now.
     
  18. mirage_bg

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    Don‘t be. You don‘t have other choice now, only those 1070 are available on the market nowadays...
    MSI‘s are out of production.
    Just use it and pray everything will be fine.. :)
     
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    That’s not true bro, usually there are few msi ones on eBay even at good price
     
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    Doesn‘t matter.
    Both have reduced amount of VRMs and is lottery if they‘ll survive prolonged gaming sessions. Just make sure to provide good cooling solution, thermal pads and compound.

    This is the best 1070 you can get:


    https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005001724515885.html
     
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    Can I install it in an M17x R4?

    It seems yes but by modifying the chassis.

    Do you think its ID is 1BA1 or 1BE1?
     
  23. mirage_bg

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    It is 1BE1 most probably and you need to mod the chassis a bit, yes...
    Bit it is really the best MXM out there.
     
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    Thank you for your reply.

    Can you tell me how it is better please?
     
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    Full range of VRMs amount, overdesigned PCB, very good inductor's and VRM's quality. Holds up to 140W TDP without any problem (if you have good cooling you can aim for even more than 150W)
    The best MXM GTX1070 out there.
     
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    I found this other card from the seller you advised me.

    https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005...68#1000022185#1000066058#0_668#3468#15613#439


    Is there any difference?


    Visually these GPUs are identical but the description seems to indicate that the last one is made for other MSI model.

    Can I buy the choice you gave me initially, or do I have to pay attention to something else?


    thank you in advance
     
  27. mirage_bg

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    Both will work without problems!
    As long as you get MSi 1070, you are good to go for the long run.
     
  28. Falkentyne

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    The MSI 1070 v1.2 PCB from the GT73VR/GT75VR?

    That card can handle 200W TDP sustained, if you mod the bios with the pascal editor, then flash it with a hardware programmer + the REQUIRED 1.8v adapter (Just make sure you upgrade the pads to something nice and wonderful like Thermalright Odyssey 12.8 w/mk pads, but Arctic's 6 w/mk pads will work fine and be better than anything stock.

    The only issue is if the laptop will accept 200W from the video card (most MSI laptops will require changing a value in the EC RAM register to avoid CPU throttle).
     
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    Ver. 1.0 is in my case. There is no difference between ver. 1.0 and 1.2
     
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    1.0 has the crash bug on some systems if voltage exceeds 1.0v. This is a hardware flaw on the PCB. There was a vbios released by MSI to limit max voltage to 0.875v for this version.

    This was fixed in v1.2.
     
  31. mirage_bg

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    Not every 1.0 suffers from this issue, only several batches from 2016 if I am not mistaken...
    Mine seems to be alright and can go up to 1.064V without problems.