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    14" laptops popular?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by McKillenstein, Mar 31, 2008.

  1. McKillenstein

    McKillenstein Notebook Consultant

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    Is it just me or are 14" laptops the perfect size to compromise power and portability? With the smaller 9xxx nvidia cards, isn't it now easier to fit 8600gt power into a 14" sized laptop?

    I remember the Asus W3J almost convinced me except I went with a 15" laptop anyway, only to find out being that much bigger/thicker is just a little too cumbersome.
    The Asus F8sn was also enticing except that you cannot have a larger battery.

    I just think that 14" laptops could be more popular than 15" if more companies tried to make them (aside from asus and zepto it seems) since it is apparently possible to fit all 15" components into 14" laptops. Given the option wouldn't you go for the smaller form? When are we gonna see some more top tier laptops of this size?
     
  2. Shadowfate

    Shadowfate Wala pa rin ako maisip e.

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    No I agree with you that 14 inch laptops are the best for portablity and a little bit of gaming.

    Acer also has a lot of 14 inch laptops.
     
  3. wobble987

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    im a conservative guy :) i still thinks 15" is the best compromise.
     
  4. Hawkshark

    Hawkshark Notebook Consultant

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    I'll be honest i find even 15 inch laptops too be too small for anything beyond websurfing... I <3 my 17' screen :) The only smaller i'd get is a Vaio TZ for class...
     
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    I want to get 14 but wish they came with better cards. Is it true all the 14 Asus 8600m have 64bit bus? If so a little bit of a problem.
     
  6. andygb40

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    My laptop is a 14.1" widescreen so it's really almost the same size as a 15" standard screen laptop. I like the performance of my graphics card, 8600M GT with 128bit 512MB memory. It plays the games I want to play comfortably at a decent resolution (1440*900).
     
  7. powerpack

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    Sort of backward on the screen size thing. A 15.4 WS is the same size as 14 Standard N/S area. While widescreen is nice for video and games not much use with documents and such.
     
  8. wobble987

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    aaawwh 15" is not that bad... but in a 17" it is hard to find a place to put it once you're mobile. after all this thread is about "compromise".
     
  9. Xirurg

    Xirurg ORLY???

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    I think best sizes are 11" and 17",one for port.,one for performance!
     
  10. scythie

    scythie I died for your sins.

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    Most people can't afford to buy two, however. Or at least are not willing to. And aside from being extremes on their sizes [ultraportables - smallest; DTR - biggest], they're also extremely expensive. Most are, anyway.

    Compromise? 14"/15" laptops. Partly portable, partly powerful machines.

    Anyway, on the topic, I'm sticking to 15" for mainstream, mainly because of the screen. 14" isn't too small, I know, but I guess I'm just already really so used to my 15" Vostro. :eek: But hey, the possibility of 14" becoming the 'new mainstream' isn't that far off, what with die shrinks [GeForce 9/Penryn] and the heat problem it solves, it shouldn't be too difficult to fit more powerful components into smaller laptops.
     
  11. sgtmatt1

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    I'm not unhappy with my 15" G1S but now I regret that I didn't chose for a 17" inch notebook..
    So my next notebook will sure be a 17" one because I don't move my laptop that much.
     
  12. thomaskc.dk

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    I like the idea LG has going, putting 14,1" hardware inside a 13,1" laptop, lightweight, super portable but still able to game with a 8600m / 9500m (hopefully soon). It's the P-300 im talking about :)
     
  13. kobe_24

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    Then that leaves out the 17", since the OP is talking about portability with power. 17”notebooks and above are good if you’re looking for a desktop replacement. But if you’re trying to be mobile and have to pull the thing out and use it in tight spots, it’s just not practical. If you’re in school, then definitely don’t pull out a 17” notebook. 15” is about as far as I would go, but 14” with the ability to game would be the perfect option for me.
     
  14. lappyforphotoshop

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    the P300 gets very hot that scared me a way , seriously my german friend had it in my school and while I was playing with it for a couple of hours,I noticed that the heat was extreme like 95 C, my HP or Toshiba never got this hot.

    any way, as for the OP , I think your right the 14.1 is already the world wide standard, not in the US ,Canada and Japan I know that, but rest of the world prefer the 14.1 size over the 15.4.

    If you come to a mall in Asia , you seldom see 15.4 models but there are so many 14.1 and 13.3 inchers.

    Maybe because of their popularity , these 14.1 inch models are much cheaper than most of 15.4 inch models found here and most of value notebooks here are designed with 14.1 or 13.3 screen size.

    Acer, ASUS, HP, Sony and Toshiba all sell so many 14.1 inch models with so many configurations , and I am sure they are all marketed as value PCs while most of 15.4 here are marketed as multimedia PCs.

    the DV6700T is not popular here while the DV2700T is the best selling laptop in BKK.

    This is not good for me since I originally wanted the Business notebook 8510p with HD2600 or Toshiba A200 with ATI HD2600 but nobody had them(a few stores had the Toshiba but hugely over priced compared to their prices at Toshiba-direct.com in the US).

    So , I went down to cheaper 14.1s like HP DV2760,Toshiba M200 P437T and ASUS F8SV and SN and compared them carefully and bought the HP,the HP was much cheaper than the ASUS about 300US cheaper and I thought this would be the best deal.

    But as I was so used to using 15.4 from US for a long long time before buying the 14.1 hp, I never liked the HP 's screen size(besides that , I love it) and I am now looking for a 15.4 , I might buy a FZ or A300 since I can not buy a DV6700T any more here, also I have had a 13.3 and it is a great school laptop but not so great for movies and phtoshopping.

    I prefer a dell XPS or Vostro but they are not available in Thailand , in Singapore yes but if I go to Singapore , I will lose my student Visa.............so I must stay in BKK at least 19 more months.

    Any way, it is totally up to where you live, if I had been still in So-Cal, I wouldn't have bought the HP or Toshiba.

    I am a big Dell lover.
     
  15. Shadowfate

    Shadowfate Wala pa rin ako maisip e.

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    I think why 14.1 inch is popular in asia(Filipino,Just edited my profile) is because we are shorter. So our bodies have different carrying capacities. Most of the students at my school only have 12.1-14.1 inch laptops.

    Unless of course they are 6 footers then they have larger screen sizes.

    Acer(almost no difference price listing in the states) is currently the number 1 brand in laptops in our country, others like HP(x2 price from he states) and Sony(I don't really know but it still costs a lot of money) really have such high prices.
     
  16. Mippoose

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    17 inches is just too big in my opinion.

    15.4 is ok.

    But yeah I agree, a 14" laptop with all the goodies would be amazing.

    Although as 14" get the power of 15"... The 15" will get the power of 17"

    So 15" will always be a little bit better.

    17" isn't even in my realm of thought tbh.
     
  17. lappyforphotoshop

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    Interesting, maybe you are right on this , when I gave my buddy here my old laptop( Dell Inspiron 1520) , he hated it and said soemthing like you stated and told me that it would not be practical to carry it out of his room every day.

    But my Ameircan buddy said it would be small enough to carry around with him every day and I gave it to him.

    I gave my Thai friend a small Toshiba M205 something , he seems like it but he never tote it around with him.

    But I agree most of brands are over charging here in Asia compared to these prices in the US , Canada or Japan.


    If I buy a Toshiba in Japan or US , I would be able to buy 2 in the same price as I pay here for one.

    And the most of laptops sold here are already outdated models or weak configurations with exception of some Acer lappies (I dont like Acer but I have to give it lots of credit here for providing fair competition here) and HP DV3006TX ,which is released in Asia first.

    But I think the height of Asian is not the reason they like a 14.1 but their weight, they are so scrawny. I am an Asian too but not very small so it is easy for me to carry a 15.4 laptop( but not 17.1).

    To be honest , I can not get it why these 17.1 inchers sell well when they are so pricy and huge , if I need that kind of power in a computer , I will build a desktop or buy it from Dell(might be cheaper than building it yourself).

    It is interesting to know that in Phillipines , these HPs are so expensive , I always thought HP is the fairest brand in pricing in all countires I have ever been to, but I was wrong then.

    HPs in Thailand are very reasonably priced and come with 1yr accidental warranty and insurance.

    HP will repair mine even if I break it , I dropped my HP once and a sales person came to my house and picked it up and returned it within 3 business days for free.

    BTW, Sonys are not over priced here , considering their already high prices in the US or Japan , their prices here is ok.

    And some CR models here are specifically designed for this market and not availble in the US or Japan.

    I think the CR35s or CR36z are only availble in Asia and EU, they both have T8100 , 2gb , 200gb and ATI HD2300 with 128mb gddr3(I know the ATI is weak but I do not play any game any more on a laptop).

    Actually, I was almost buying it because it comes with Photoshop Elements 6.0 and some other programs that I frequently use.

    This particular Sony in Asia , I think,is a good buy , priced around 1250US, including VAT, a bag,free insurance and BT mouse.

    But if I can afforf for the FZ , I will buy the FZ or I will wait for the Toshiba A305, which some best buy now selling for 999US.

    I may ask my mom to get it in So-Cal and ship it over here.

    I think Aspire 4920G (T8100, 2gb, ATI HD2400XT with 256mb GDDR2, 320gb HDD, priced around 1200US)is an Asian dedicated model , Ithink I never saw it in the US or Canada as I went there many times.

    The problem with the Acer was the OS(Linux BE) , I know Linux is a good OS but not the BE.

    ASUS FSV also comes with Linux but Ubuntu 8.1.
     
  18. onlycopunk

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    I love the size of my laptop. I just felt that the 15inchers were borderline portable, and 17" too big for my needs. 12" too small, but 14" perfect.
     
  19. flipfire

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    Ive always believed laptops were created for portability solutions. Making a 14.1inch a good compromise between portability and screen size

    If you wanna game, buy a desktop or use an external monitor.
     
  20. XPS1330

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    I have a M1330 and a M1530. Gotta go with the 1530 :)
     
  21. 1cem4n

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    i love 14.1 i never have issues with carrying it and it's perfect for light gaming and movie watching.
     
  22. Shadowfate

    Shadowfate Wala pa rin ako maisip e.

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    Glad someone thinks that my idea is correct( I think this is also why companies are making 14 inch laptops since asian countries are growing)

    Yes Some of HP's laptops are twice thier amount so instead they use compaq here but with thier pricing Acer is still the best deal(also the best looking) Asus is also a good brand.
     
  23. Thaenatos

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    I used to be a ultra portable guy, then I got a 17in for multitasking and workstation perfromance on the go. People say that 17in desktop replacments are to cumbersome, but I beg to differ. Mine fits perfectly into my targus miami messenger pack without any need to shoe horn it in, its lighter then you would think, and I get 1920x1200 res with absoluty awsome multitasking/gaming performance. Now I also have a 12in portable if I need to go super mobile, and the great thing is I can fit all my peripherals, external HDD, 12in laptop, 17in laptop and more all while not being a huge strain to lug around.

    But on the topic of compromise, a 14in laptop with a mid level gaming card is the ultimate compromise. You get most of the features of a huge laptop and stil able to use a small bag and have it be super light. But then again that doesnt suit me, as you cant get 1920x1200 res in a 14in laptop.
     
  24. mystery905

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    Personally I wouldn't get a notebook with a screen > 14.1". I prefer the portability. Currently I'm using a 13.3" Dell XPS M1330.
     
  25. McKillenstein

    McKillenstein Notebook Consultant

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    Yeah I saw my buddy's xps 1330 and I was impressed with its size and weight but the video card was a little to be desired. Hence a 14" would be ideal (with 1440x900 no less).
     
  26. lappyforphotoshop

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    When I first got here I hated Acer , but now I think like you wrote it, we should respect and give Acer more serious credit for putting lots of presure on HP, Dell and Toshiba , to make their prices also more reasonable(still over priced).

    As for ASUS, if ASUS had not started giving us its world famous 2 year warranty with accidental damage insurance package here, HP wouln't have given us such an excellent pick-up and return service or 1 year free insurance in Asia.

    I am not sure HP does the same in Phillines but the service is really good and that was the main reason I went for a HP.

    But that said , if Dell was doing business here , I would never think of buying a HP because I want to customize all my laptops with high resolution screen.

    I hate the idea others around me having similar thing and I dont like HP or Toshiba. But the HP was cheap at the time I bought it so I got it.

    I really dont like the look of it too flashy, I like black business-like laptops and I will replace it soon.

    Any way, how much is the Thinkpad R61 with T8300 or T8100 in Phillipines?
     
  27. lappyforphotoshop

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    that's the one I would have bought if it had been available in Thailand.

    my sister got it and I am envious of her , I really dislike my Toshiba(crappy keybaord) and HP(stupid design and no Gigabit LAN, I like the Verve version, though).
     
  28. Shadowfate

    Shadowfate Wala pa rin ako maisip e.

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    Yes If I also have the capability to purchase Dell because of thier customization I would do so. But sadly Dell is near x3 the Price here than the States. They do not even customize

    Looks like Nobody is still selling the R61 here. sorry
     
  29. HTWingNut

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    Wow a 17 ft screen! That's quite large. How do you tote it around? :D
     
  30. Crimson Roses

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    If you want gaming grade 14" laptops look at zepto.
     
  31. lappyforphotoshop

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    Are you sure ?

    There is no R61 sold in your country?

    Oh , it is a good budget thinkpad , I like it but I can not buy it for myslef since they are only sold to medium to big business owners in Thailand so I got it as my compnay use computer.


    I now completely agree , Acer , ASUS and Compaq are only brand doing fair business here in Asia.

    I personally like HP DV3006TX model : T9300, 2gb, 320gb , NV9300GS with 256mb gddr3 but it is way too expensive.

    And I am sure it will be more expensive in Malaysia , Phillines and Indonesia than it is in Thailand.

    I am personally thinking of replacing my HP with Acer 4920G 813G25mn.

    Acer has improved its QC and build alot , I was pretty impressed with its build and its fantastically responsive LCD.

    HP LCD , in contrast , was so slow in response time.
     
  32. Shadowfate

    Shadowfate Wala pa rin ako maisip e.

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    Yes I cannot find it in any brochure or internet site just now. It is also Lenove which is not really popular in our country.

    Acer right now is the second largest laptop brand. HP is number 1, So the mindset of Acer right now is to be better than HP.(Acer is quite fast at it only took them a year to be second place)

    Yes I agree Acer's LCD is much better than HP's. It also has betteer contrast.
     
  33. flipfire

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    Are the notebooks cheap in the philippines? Is Acer the most popular brand?

    Im planning to visit family and relos there late this year, stopping over at HK of course
     
  34. Shadowfate

    Shadowfate Wala pa rin ako maisip e.

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    CHeap notebooks??? No not really but what is your idea of cheap?? The chepest notebooks right now is at 30000PHP which is equivalent to 750$. For the specs at that price check this site http://www.asianic.com.ph/product_list/notebooks/price You might want to check the latest entries only.

    Yes Acer is the most popular brand right now.

    Nothing Personal but Are your relatives Filipinos or Australians???
     
  35. flipfire

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    I payed about $1700US for my notebook here. So yes that would be cheap.

    im filipino aka the flip in flipfire, i was born in quezon city. just cause it says im from Australia doesnt mean i ride kangaroos or have a pet koala lol
     
  36. Shadowfate

    Shadowfate Wala pa rin ako maisip e.

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    Ah okay. So thats what your username means.

    Laptops are cheaper here than Australia??? Tax here is quite big.

    But I guess you were raised in Australia since you only a year older than me, you cannot possibly be a OFW because of that fact( Also you speak(type) in good grammar). Or am I wrong?
     
  37. lappyforphotoshop

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    I think you are right on all , I find that HP business plan in Asia is modeled closely after what Acer has been doing here.

    HP copied Acer's free 1 year insurance and pick-up-and-return service for example.

    Also, the HP screen is not as good as it is reviewed often , the glossy finish on it makes it look better than others in stores but in real use , it's got too many problems like too much reflections and too contrasty for true-to-life kind of photo displaying.

    I am pretty impressed with new line of Acers this time and probably buy one of these or ASUS F8SG(which is the same as the SN with NV9300GS)

    And I am sure even the weaker SG with NV9300 beats my HP with NV8400GS.

    I think HP build is better but I dont care about build quality much since I never use a laptop more than 2 years.