17" 4K 3840x2160 IPS display incoming!

Dude, reading comprehension, download some. I didn't call ppl stupid, I said the laptop resolution arms race is stupid.

 

the scaling is for programs and texts and what not. windows 10 has helped a lot. i don't mind slightly blurry upscaled fonts if it's worth the sacrifice to see my 18 mega pixel photos on a 4k screen. plus i'm jumping over to 4k video. even if i edit 1080p video, i'll be able to see the 1080p video and then have a ton of workspace room. plus i jumped to pc gaming 2 years ago. i never had an xbox or ps3 either. i was all nintendo. so with a 4k screen, i could go back and enjoy older games with crisp retina graphics. yeah textures won't be as crisp, but everything else will be

 

Have you bumped up IR and SSAA in Dolphin?

 

I´m also editing video and photos on my laptop, and it´s really advantageous to have a 4k screen. I think that apart from the odd program (or windows menu) Win10 scaling is doing its job well, apart from 125% and 175%. Honestly, i can even say that at 200% scaling or gaming at fhd i do not see any image blurriness, it really seems as good as my m570ru 17" fhd panel and my 23" fhd monitor (that´s to be expected). I sometimes even use 150% scaling when working with Resolve to have some more workspace and i´m not with my eyes glued to the laptop.

 

yeah. i'm hoping skylake laptops will have hdmi 2.0 ports. i'd love to get a 4k tv and play dolphin games on it maxed out

 

Whoa settle down there killer. For some reason laptops and PC's keep being seen as glorified tablets. They are two distinct devices with two distinct jobs. Sure you can do a lot on one that you can do on the other, but you won't be editing videos or photos or encoding videos on your smartphone any time soon. LCD's are only as good as the UI that uses them. Windows sucks at scaling, plain and simple. 4K is fine for having more screen real estate for productivity reasons, I agree. But for gaming it's just too many compromises. And unless you're at 200% scaling I have found way too many scaling bugs to make it worthwhile.

Smartphones I think it's a bit ridiculous too, mainly for power consumption reasons. Let's put the most power sucking screens in devices with the smallest batteries and have to tether our phones to the wall every four to six hours. It's funny how people want a laptop that will last 12 hours on battery but are fine with smartphones that last 6. And also want super high res power sucking LCD's so they can play Candy Crush or the latest Flappy Bird app.

 

Right now I am using a WQHD IPS on 13". I can have many Software directly side by side, which allows me to work much faster than before with FHD and switching Windows all the time.
Scales all well for things like gaming etc. Photoshop and video editing is a breeze, so there is no way I am going back to lower res.

Looking forward to the upcoming 4K 17" IPS Clevos.

 

Well no, you called him/us blind and picky for not liking where things are going and how things are handled.

And here enters the very reason why I stand by 16:10 - content creation. You see, with 16:10 you have that extra room for toolbars and whatever you want and still edit full 16:9 content, or 4:3 content, or any kind of content. You have room EVERYWHERE! 16:10 is for creation, 16:9 is for consumption! How are you going to edit 4K video on 4K display - scal(p)ed that's how, because there's no room to fit the toolbars and the full 4K video/picture/whatever.

You probably missed where I said that Apple handles pixels differently than Windows, but here's a reminder again. Oh, and I said that everything looks awesome on Apple. I guess @octiceps is right, you need to download some reading comprehension.

Same goes to you, open your mind and let in the idea that unless your daily driver is fighter jet, or some airplane for that matter, chances are that your vision is not perfect and here's a shocker, in most cases it would degrade over time. Only a handful of people enjoy perfect vision throughout their lifespan, I admire them, hands down, but the rest of us have to deal with what we have. So here's the open mindedness - why not make a LESSER display (2560x1600 17)", for the mere mortals around?

 

I want you to use your bios mod phoenix magic and make a 17" 4K 120Hz 8-bit 72% NTSC gamut matte panel that fits our notebooks.

And then I want you to use more phoenix magic and somehow fit a 5960X at 5GHz and three 980Ti superclocked cards in the notebooks.

On a single power brick with OC headroom.

I am become "too enthusiast" T_T

 

For productivity I wholeheartedly agree. That's why I used three 1080p LCD's at work. But for my personal/pleasure machine it just doesn't seem to work well for me. And I find multiple monitors more effective personally, because it's easy to snap to full screen on multiple monitors. But I digress. To each their own. I'm glad there are options and choices. I'm happy that 17" is finally getting some love. But just wish they'd offer more options like something in between, is 2560 x 1440 120Hz IPS too much to ask?

 

plus with 4k gaming, cant you just set the resolution down to 1152p? should still be sharper than 1080p natively. and the desktop 4k monitors let you choose to game at 1440p if you want.

 

Enjoy your crappy 1080p TN displays with either these hazy greyish type of picture or unnatural glossy picture produced by coating, and complain about not getting better displays because when a better high res display arrives, its just not the right type of resolution.

You would rather continue use a 1080p display than use a 4K display with say 1600p resolution in games that your hardware could handle.

No wonder why people look down at the mobile scene...So full of people living in the past and complaining about too much pixels.
Might as well switch your mobile phones to the ones with these super big buttons that 70 year old ladies use. Certainly better than fiddle around with these small UI keyboards on these technological phones the youth use today. And changing the windows fonts to ultra wide because otherwise with a high res display you end up squeezing your eyes together so hard they almost become a straight line anyway because its hard living with a bigger res display. Certainly hard to learn how to live with scaling too and enjoying the other benefits with a greater display.

You should write Lenovo a hatemail and try to persuade them from launching this 4K display from hell!

 

Nice touch with the tantrum. Nobody was talking about TN, which is not even an indication of poor quality (see ROG Swift etc.). But you seem to forget that back in '98 we had CRTs that still crush modern LCDs in many metrics incl. resolution and dot pitch, so yeah...

 

That's not how it works, which is part of the problem. Images displayed at non native resolutions use algorithms for approximation, rather than native conversions, so you end up with a softer image. A 1080p screen displaying 1080p content will look sharper than a 4K screen showing 1080p content.

I am all for 4K showing 4K content, but there is no benefit from resolution if you are going to use low res content. There are many technologies and factors to what makes a good screen good, and resolution is merely a single factor.

Unless you think a low level small brand chinese 4K monitor is on the same quality as a high end IPS 4K screen. Color accuracy, gamut, contrast, input lag, viewing angles, response time, refresh rate, panel tech (OLED etc) etc etc etc.

A race for resolution is a silly battle if it will be at the cost of the actual picture quality. Plus there is a point to which there is no real benefit due to resolution. My Galaxy S6 2560 res is not really sharper to my eye compared to my Nexus 5. It does show more saturated, colorful images, but sharper? Nah. I am not looking directly to the screen with 10mm distance.

Once we have excellent scaling, 4K will be alright to use, but as it is, it won't be embraced by the enthusiast right off the get go. Plus the higher res you push, you might start having input lag issues.

Part of the problem with mobile displays is that we got stuck with 1920x1080 for a long while now. 2560x1440 is an excellent resolution that was never tapped. Personally I would prefer 2560x1440 than 4K for my titan.

 

On a side-note:

Until now I have only seen FHD and 4K options being listed for the upcoming 17" models...

They may very well have a g-sync version for the 17" 4k, so we start with 75Mhz and take it from there...

For a stationary system I definitely go multi-monitor, too.
But I travel a lot and need to be able to also do stuff on-the-go...

 

clearly there are other factors. hence why if i got a 4k 15 inch laptop now, id pay the extra 150 or so for the sharp igzo screen over the samsung 4k one. actually, i'd just the sharp 4k screen over the 4k gsync. it would kill me to do that, but i prefer better contrast and colors than gsync.

 

As in life there are pros and cons to everything.

It's great to have higher resolution for desktop work, browsing, office, etc as the higher res really comes in handy.
Then you wonder the GPU power required at the higher res and the heat produced just to get going at native res.

I still think Alienware's 1920x1200 on a 17'' back in the hey days was a great afterthought. It gives you a nice balance of more work to do at the higher res plus the higher res gaming which is easily handled by today's GPU's. Going back to 1080p display you feel its not enough especially when you have higher.

You would need to go at least 3-5 years into the future to get 3840x2160 res gaming experience with a single gpu at adequate fps i.e. 30+ fps perhaps even more so for the mean time desktop mode is where it's at with this notebook and forget gaming as the blurred phenomena @native res, IMHO makes it a poor experience.

Agree with ryazeki that 2560x1440 res would be a much better and practical solution in today's current notebook market.

 

not really true, depends on the upscaler.

 

Maybe with pixel doubling and a lanczos sharpener, it could get close to the same or maybe match the same, but it won't be better, and usually it'll be worse.

 

Too bad bilinear/bicubic upsampling in GPU driver = blur

 

Too bad refresh rate is taking a back seat in the pixel race. Give me 120hz anything over 4k 60hz.

 

from every other user on here that got the 4k screens, they ALL say that 1080p gaming looks amazing and crisp. I haven't seen one complaint.

 

The thing is, if you can't notice sub-pixel level detail on a 1080p display during fast paced gaming, on a 4K display playing 1080p input you won't notice anything neither. With enough pixel density what kind of scaling they are using simply doesn't matter.

 

Maybe the users that got 4K aren't the kind of users that have that kind of attention to detail? XD.

 

so you're saying 1080p on a 1080p screen looks sharper than 1152p on a 4k screen?

 

That's basically what I'm saying. No matter what you do, there will be some blur, and either the screen will have a "white filter" or a "dark filter" over things, due to pixels not being coloured.

For example:
Here's Arma 2 at 540p upscaled to 1080p
Here's Arma 2 at 1080p base
Upscaling 1152p to 4K would have a similar effect as 540p to 1080p. It won't be as bad, and you won't see as many jaggies (due to the resolution), but the image quality won't look as good. The question, is whether or not someone would notice. And in my case, I do notice. In others' cases, they may not notice, or may not really care. But it is an undeniable fact that it WILL happen.

 

You'd notice it in the game's UI though, unless your eyesight really is that bad

 

Okay guys, I went to the Microsoft store in downtown Atlanta yesterday. They had one of the asus laptops with a 4k screen there running windows 10. I had never seen a PC laptop with a 4k screen and had only read about it on these forums. Everyone talking about scaling being a mess and hard to read text freaked me out. I finally got to see one first hand, and wow it was beautiful. The interface, icons, text, web browsing, and programs looked perfedt. Nothing was too small or blurry or out of sync. It was flawless and reminded me of a MacBook Pro with retina display. Honestly it seemed like windows 10 scales better with 4k versus 1080p screens. 4k videos on YouTube and huge mega pixel pictures from google looked so clear and sharp that it freaked me out. It was like looking through a crystal clear window. Even screen shots of video games at 4k like battlefield 4 and batman Arkham knight looked insanely perfect. My whole point is, don't judge 4k screens until you see one in person. Wow. I'm definitely getting one in my next build. Btw- 1080p images were still extremely gorgeous and I saw no issues.

 

I live in Silicon Valley not some backwoods part of the country so I've seen many high-res laptops/monitors in stores and I'm nowhere near as impressed as you are

 

I'm just saying the scaling wasn't as bad as everyone makes it seem on here. Some people even go as far to say that 4k on a 15 inch screen is '' unusable.'' I didn't notice much of a difference between the 1800p in apples retina macbooks and the 2160p screen in the asus. I guess because the pixel density is so tight.

 

I can only imagine what you'll say when 8k screens come out...

 

There are no scaling issues because the hi-DPI laptops in M$ stores are all set to 200% by default, so same screen real estate as 100% scaling but finer picture. To me it's a waste, I'm no longer impressed by pixels I can't see without a magnifying glass and I'd rather have better battery life instead.

 

8k in a laptop is overkill and a gimmick. 8k tvs and maybe LARGE pc monitors make sense.

 

While 4k is really awesome for many things including gaming the issue is when you change the scale to a comfortable viewing changes per person even steam, origin, cog and other programs and the text my god look so terrible.

 

Things I'm waiting for before my next panel upgrade :

-4k 120hz
-Single GPU's able to power it
Or
- SLI/CF frametime / Scaling improvement

- Nvidia to support the less* polished Displayport freesync standand

Or

- Panels supporting both technologies, thus not locking me in to any brand.

 

What did you look at as far as scaling? Stock Windows stuff? Any third party apps? Did you change the scaling option to 150%? 200%? Load up a game or two? Stock scaling in Windows with Windows stuff will look fine. It's everything else that has issues.

 

I saw the Arorus X5 and Gigabyte P35W with 3K displays... Sure picture looks crisp but that murdered my eyes.. I'm more then happy with 1080p on 17.3"

 

I didn't look at which scaling option they had. I was on 200 or 250 Judging by what i remember on the size of everything. Didn't see any games, just web browsed 4k game screen shots and they looked awesome. I know adobe creative apps have horrible scaling. When I went from my 768p laptop screen to a 1080p screen, everything in adobe premiere got smaller. I'm afraid of how it would look on a 4k screen. I have cs5.5. They apparently fixed it in the newest 2015 adobe CC, but I don't have the money for that upgrade

 

I have a 4K external screen, I only was impressed with actual 4K content. anything else does not look better at all compared to my 1080 screen. Also, windows 10 scaling is terrible. Even on my screen at native res and 100% scaling, looks blurry in some icons and stuff. It is weird. windows 8 looks better in this regard, both in 4K and 2K.