40nm nVidia lineup

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-40nm-mobile-gpus-line-up-for-2009/6378.html?doc=6378

Hope this hasn't been posted already...

 

it is really confusing

 

Reading all that makes me say... Sphinkter says what ???

 

i didn't bother to read it after seeing a whole lot of numbers and letters. i do maths at uni.

 

I have no idea what that article was talking about.


But we're gettin 40nm GPU's so YAY

 

So we'll be seeing new mobile cards soon from NVidia which will all be outdated and be replaced by new ones in the second half of the year. Sigh, technology moves too fast.

Lets please have a lot more laptops with MXM or similar slots for upgradability. Also have the mobile cards themselves more readily available and much cheaper as well.

It would be nice for instance to buy an Nvidia gaming notebook now and later in the year upgrade it with a high-end 40nm Geforce card for $400 max.

 

yep

Though on teh MXM front thats what Nvidia wants ( i was chating with one of their reps a few months back about it) the problem is there isnt a market to push them to. Their idea was to set up a mobile standard like the desktop one so that other companies would take the cards and manufacturer their own so the consumers could buy them and self upgrade.

Unfortunatly laptop OEM/ODM's didnt really like the idea because it would be to easy to bypass the 1000+ dollar upgrade and get a intell 4500 and upgrade to the 9800gtx yourself cheaper. So no one actually will sell the mobile graphic cards. Ans since Nvidia doesnt sell to the public direct we're kinda SOL when it comes to the upgrade.

 

Oh wow. Hopefully I'll be buying myself an N10E chip sometime near Christmas.

 

At the rate new technology is coming out, I think that even laptop makers will have to cave in and create a unified standard which allows upgrade-ability (differences between sizes of laptops withstanding of course) if they expect their products to be bought by regular consumers at a more frequent rate.
People won't be able to afford to buy completely new laptops every 6 months (apart from those who are very financially secure) that contain newest gpu's.

EDIT:
I would also like to point out that from reading the article in question, what I was able to gather is that Nvidia will essentially reduce the manufacturing process of existing cards.
Nothing is yet said of the specs ... and given Nvidia's track record of simply renaming their older generation gpu's and sticking them on a new manuf. process (plus potentially eliminating thermal cycling problems), I wouldn't be surprised if specs/performance-wise the cards remain identical while simply being on a smaller manuf. process.
Yes, the cards will be far more efficient in terms of power consumption/heat production ... but it's questionable if they will improve actual performance.

However, some of the 9xxxx cards HAVE been increased in performance compared to the older generation while being on a new manuf. process.
But the performance difference was essentially minimal. About 20% difference for the mid-range cards (8600m GT vs 9600m GT) and about 5 to 10% difference for the high-end cards.

Of course, when we take into consideration they want to increase their profits exponentially (greed), it's possible they will not make the older higher end cards compatible with the newest slots (whichever 'standard' they choose to pick that time around) ... or they will, but because the technology is older and has lesser demand, the prices will skyrocket.

 

It looks like the highest end card will be based on the new GTX260 "core 216" version which is pretty powerfull, and with the 40nm process hopefull it will retain most of it's power.

 

And cooler, so chance for a better OC right?

 

I vote we move back to 130nm =D

 

Yes sure they run cooler and use less power if you run them on par with somthing running identical but generally because they run cooler and save power they make them run faster so they run just as hot and use just as much power but run faster

 

Heat and power limitations will always remain the same, but moving to 40nm from 65nm should allow a significant improvement of processing power for the same heat and power cost. It will of course cost more money since it's more advanced manufacturing, and mobile GPUs are already very expensive... I'd give it about a year for a 260M GTX equivalent to be as common as the 9800 is today.

 

I don't see Nvidia scrapping MXM in the next 2-3 years, given that it's been (unsuccessfully) fighting the OEM/ODM to accept the standard for so long. Charging high prices for aftermarket mobile chips would usually be an Nvidia specialty, but the upcoming ATI Mobility Radeon HD 48xx series, like its desktop equivalent, is going to force a change in pricing for Nvidia's enthusiast chips. The Mobility Radeon HD 4850 is likely to come out under $400USD, with performance which matches or exceeds the mobile 9800 GTX, which is currently somewhere between $735-$790, depending on vendor and exchange rates. Nvidia will have to come with a more competitive pricing scheme, especially if the Mobility 4870 comes in below $600. It's either drop prices or get priced out of the market.

 

The Mobility HD 4850 is coming out in systems sub-$1400, which will definitely force NVidia to change pricing if they want to hold the enthusiast market.

 

Yup I think the face of mobile gaming will be getting a nice makeover in 2009. ATI is destroying the need to spend $2k for high-end gaming GPUs, and Nvidia will have to follow suit. It's really exciting!

 

What I always wonder is if nVidia can make mobile GPUs that are about 15 % slower than their desktop counterparts but take up loads less energy and produce less heatand are smaller, why don't they concentrate on using this kind of technology in desktop cards, even if they would be slower for a generaton or two ?

 

Wait, what mobile card is 15% slower than a 280 GTX or 260 GTX?!

 

In the mean time, your 8400G is renamed again! They surely have extra long life..

 

$400 for the MR HD 4850 chipset? Where'd you get that info? Those with big laptops with MXM-III/IV slots are gonna have one hell of a field day when they get their hands on it.