480M SLI Available Soon

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Brought to you by Eurocom based on the X7200 Clevo Chasis.

Let's start the speculations:

-18+ lbs
-15 seconds of battery life

Go!!

 

70degrees idle temp and 110 load?

 

Code name; Chernobyl.

 

Speculation:

No battery included or available as no battery is powerful enough to hold a charge long enough to turn it on.

20lbs weight (for extra cooling).

60 degrees celcius idle, Nuclear Reactor when under load.

 

Thing's gonna melt.

 

Notebook casing made of titanium to withstand heat

 

fits in a 880CU just fine..
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/509511-gtx-480m-w880cu-benched.html

 

SLI means there are two(2) 480M's.

 

Only Ships to Degrees latitude 60 and above for lower ambient temps.

Some one should put a lump of graphite under this puppy during a Furmark Bench, see if you can synthesize diamonds.

 

I still can't see any reason why SLI 480M's would run hotter than in the 880. Combined the heat may be more, but they run just fine in the 880. Should we talk about the single 5870 in the G73 that runs @ 100+C? Is that any different? Even the 5870's in the M17X get very near the boiling point. The point being it doesn't matter what the card is, so long as the HSF combination is well enough.

 

Kill joy, this is for ridicule, join in, or get out XD

 

@Lozz ,
True.
I'm sure Clevo did an outstanding job once again cooling their beasts. X7200 should stay well within the safety zone regarding the temps.
My guess is that i7-980X will stay under 80C @max load and both 480M's will be under 70C in Furmark.
Battery life will be around 1.5 hr when idle and about 40-50min during load.

 

that's what I'm thinking too.

it would make sense if the competition ran significantly cooler consistianty, but this thread is making fun of a card that more or less runs cooler in the laptops it *is* in versus the 5870's that are in the G73 and M17x. Sorta backwards imo. When it's in a M17X or w/e non-copper lunchbox of a machine and it's pinging 110C *then* I'll gladly point my finger. Until then, I'll play the party pooper role.

 

I agree, any chip can keep cool given the proper cooling system. The G73 and Alienware have good cooling "designs" on paper but the final assembly on many machines with the 5870 were poorly executed. There are plenty of people from every camp: MSI, Alienware, Asus, Clevo who have gotten their 90*+ running machines down to 70* by fixing things that were obviously quality and assembly issues.

The power draw on a 480M demands attention, and Clevo did a great job on the CU. The thing runs surprisingly cool, but the cooling system is significantly heavier than we've seen in any other system. I'm sure they'll do a great job on the X7200 with the 480M SLI and its cooling system. This doesn't take away from the fact that if designed properly, this machine will probably approach 20 lbs, draw 400 watts and cost over $5k. It's an engineering feat no doubt.

 

did you bother to read the link you provided?

the M17x weighs 11.68lbs for reference.

300W PSU, the M17x uses a 240W PSU, and a mobile processor.

it's really not *that* outrageous. Granted it's probally not a slim PSU like the M17x, but it's not 400Ws.Still, there's no way those cards use 100W of power directly. I've said it before, but TDP and Acutal power consumption are two different things. Otherwise they're already 30W over the PSU's limit between the cpu and 2 GPUs. This means the 100W figures they've been giving are TDP numbers and not acutal power consumption figures. Which is a good thing for other existing laptop designs.

 

Battery life with a single HD5870M in a W870CU is not even one hour at idle. How do you figure 1.5 hours?

Not only are you wrong but it's more. On testing the 480M pulls 130 watts at peak load. Notebookcheck themselves state the Clevo D900F need a minimum of 130 watts if ONLY the Nvidia was used and nothing else.

Comparing the 480M to HD5870M is bogus, two different designs. 480M uses as much power as the G73 does with all it's ram, MB, CPU/GPU and 2 HDDs and monitor combined.

Bogus and wrong again. G73 users have posted multiple screenshots of G73 running at under 90C in Furmark extreme burn. Granted most of them had redone the thermal paste. But that doesn't matter as it is still a G73. The fault lies with the thermal paste not the Hd5870M or the design of the notebook.

 

Idle consumption of a single 480M is less than that of a single MR5870
My M17X with 2x4870 does 1 hr 40 min.
In addition, 980X has idle consumption of only 18W.

130x2 + 130 for a CPU = 390W not including the screen, mobo, HDD's, RAM. If it's a 450W+ how come Clevo specifies a 300W brick with the system???

 

Still bogus to me. How can you compare your 480M to your HD4870s? Your speculations are so ludicrous it's hard to imagine how you would even make those comparisons. The 480M alone consumes more power than both your 4870s combined...

That's like mentioning an Intel P4 when discussing a PowerPC Chip and saying well because P4 does this, then I predict PowerPC to do this. It's just ludicrous.



Yeah that's what I call masterful 1.5 hours of battery life... I'm not saying the 480M uses less or more than HD5870M at Idle (I don't care since I get 2 hours with my HD5870M G73 at idle) but there it is, 54 minutes for your W880CU.

 

you're kidding right? 130W is total system power, not just the 480M by itself, you just reinforced my statement. So Thanks. I would like to know your opinion on the 300W PSU in the X7200 manages to power TWO 130W GPUs, a 130W CPU and the HDD, Screen, ram, DVD player and all the other components that probally equate to another 20-30W of power. If I were to believe you, then they're running 410W from a 300W PSU before any overclocking and that's just a farce in so many ways.

yeah.. it sorta does matter, if you have to change the paste to get 90C I wouldn't consider that stock.

 

Something wrong with you. It states if you are ONLY using the 480M you need a minimum of 130 Watts at peak power. This does not include the HDDs, the monitor or the CPU.

No modifications to the design, none to the heatsink. Modification is when you add more heatsinks to the heatpipe. Modification is when you drill more holes for air flow. Modifications is when you make a permanent change to the design of the notebook. G73 remains stock in design.

Anyways this isn't about the HD5870M this should stay on the 480M. But just pointing it out so you stop spreading false information, like you have been for both 5870M and 480M.

 

oh you mean this? and the part where the extra 165W comes from the desktop processor doing prime 95 runs?

umm.. I'm not sure where youre seeing that this is sans the cpu, HDD and LCD screen. This 130W figure is *with* all those components running that demo. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand. Last I checked that benchmark doesn't turn off *everything* and runs *just* off the gpu, and you're a fool if you think that's the case.

I'm sorry I missed the part where opening up a system isn't considered a modification. I like how you just circumvented the part where stock G73's and M17x run near 100C.

 

Are you dense?

oh you mean this? and the part where the extra 165W comes from the desktop processor doing prime 95 runs?

EXTRA. What part of EXTRA don't you get. The 480M alone accounts for the other 130 watts that is used.

It's impossible to argue with someone who can't read and only reads what they want to read.

Direct Quote:

If you can't understand that... then I have nothing to say to you.

 

again, I don't see anywhere that the demo turns off everything in the computer and just runs off the gpu, turn off the processor and everything else in the laptop and if it still uses 130W then I'll be convinced. otherwise you have no idea what you're talking about. It's physically impossible to measure the amount the card is drawing by itself without directly measureing the pins on the MXM slot with a multimeter.

 

Still can't comprehend what that says? Let me explain for you. Actually it's pretty clear there, can't make it any clearer. If ONLY the graphics card is loaded. Hmm what is so hard to understand about that?

What is hard to comprehend ONLY graphics card is loaded?

What does ONLY mean to you?

This is just stupid now, can't believe you don't know reviewers have tools to be able to measure how much power each component is pulling.

 

My prediction for the 480M SLI... I've got none, except I don't get why anyone would get a Eurocom when they can get an Alienware for less...

 

because it's not just the graphics card being loaded, heck even furmark will load a core up on the processor, the Nvidia tech demo does *NOT* run 100% on the GPU. So you can't take any power consumption figures that way, except total system draw. They're comparing IDLE to consumption during the demo, and subtracting the two, that's wrong. The *only* way to find the real power consumption values for a specific component is to measure the 12V rail. There is simply no way to discount the rest of a computer and analyze the GPU power consumption when all you have is a wall monitor because there's no program that I know of that idle's everything in the laptop and can stress *just* the GPU. Otherwise you're saying that running a very intensive 3d demo like the Islands draws 130W from the GPU and everything else is remaining at idle at the exact same draw as before. I don't believe that for a second, as I said before, even furmark loads up some processor power when it's running.

 

This started out so much fun =(
Can't we go back to teh Lulz?

 

C'mon, this is pointless. You are not here to listen, you are to argue. You blame others for weird comparisons and at the same time are trying to compare W880CU and x7200
My info comes from actual testing, not pure guessing (even though I'm still under NDA).
I brought the MR4870's simply for reference, not as a deduction point. Also, as a point of reference - my 8740w (840QM+5870) has 2 hrs of B/L.
As I said, the battery life of a X7200 (980X+2x480M) is ~ 40-115min depending on the power profiles used.

 

x7200 comes with a 12 cell battery unlike the W880CU which is a 3 cell so people should see some improved battery life... Nothing amazing but abit better ...

 

Finally, words of wisdom

 

I just ran the Nvidia islands demo, and consistenty received 0% cpu utilization.. so I'll conceed that the card may use 130W. I'll admit I was wrong about their testing methadoloy, but in my defense this is the first demo that I have seen manage this, and I can't understand how the X7200 will use a 300W PSU with 260W worth of GPU's and another 130W processor, it just doesn't seem possible and I'd like to see his explinaton on that.

 

The PSU probably has some dark matter in it
Seriously though, I think the PSU is capable of 400W, and there is some throttling implemented for the Prime95+Furmark and similar scenarios

 

I still think Notebookcheck is accounting for the amount of power the machine is running just using the card and not just the card by itself....


Here is what they say and they are talking about the "Laptop" as a whole just needing X amount of power is how i am reading it ...

"So, the laptop needs about 130 Watt if only the graphics card is loaded (Nvidia Island Demo)."

 

those numbers are probably max draw. the GPUs and CPU aren't going to be pulling the power 100%, 100% of the time. also, notebooks have power throttling steps, so they shouldn't draw more than they can receive.

 

that's what I've been saying... Their 'gaming' power draw is 188W.

 

I think so too. The GPU is probably under 100W at all times. My biggest question is how on Earth would Clevo allow XTU OC'ing? And folks are talking about overvolting the 480's

 

Even at 0% CPU utilization the CPU is still sucking some power, as well as the rest of the system. That still doesn't explain how at 100% GPU and CPU utilization 300 W will be enough.. If the GPUs TDP is 100 W as specified and the CPU TPD is 130 W, that's already 330 W which doesn't include anything else in the computer.

Anyways, I read the power draw numbers above as "the entire system is drawing 130 W" when gaming. Without directly measure the pins across the GPU you cannot get the power draw from just the GPU - the whole system is included.

 

Because 300w is a ballpark figure given on the PSU and its probably rated much higher with more amperage etc..

Clearly we all know it has to be more then 300w but in reality its probably closer to 400 lol...

 

Faizian Cores


That is all.

 

So who is buying one?

 

Totally agree .. this laptop should have 500W power consumption under load.. prepare to melt..

Ya but with 400W power consumption easily unde rload, it won't last 10 mins and even with mild load in surfing etc , it still should last 20-30 mins at most..

Not me.. Too expensive and hot..

 

I don't now why u guys get so hyped about it, this machine will only be available in Antarctica and Siberia.

 

It just doesn't make sense to me either with a 300w rated PSU. They said it was delayed because of XTU problems which could only mean XTU was probably invoking throttling. Just a guess anyway, I am afterall only a speculator

 

thanks, I got caught up arguing so much that I almost forgot the point I was trying to make. I Also interpreted 130w as total system draw

when have people started to expect full power on battery with a dtr though? I'm sure a m17x or g73 wouldn't last long either, if you can manage to disable all the poweplay stuff that will even let you run on full power.

 

First, don't exaggerate, 100W GPU's are not new to us (FX3800M).

Second, nobody will let 400W under load, I'm sure, the system is locked at lowest clocks when running on battery.

Third, don't rush to say nay. You'll be surprised how many people would jump on it soonish. Estimated retail price for a i7-930 + 2X480M system ~ 3.5k. With a 2x5870 you can reduce almost 1k

 

Ha! Best joke ever about ferni and this laptop

Wow money must grow on a tree for you... and for some ppl..

 

some of us NEED very expensive laptops and equipment for our businesses or jobs. and none of that power is for gaming either.

 

I wish that were true.

What I mean is that those who can afford a D900F, will find a x7200 not too far off.
But it makes me feel better knowing that selling the M17X will most likely let me buy a x7200 with 2x5870 (if I ever want to).

 

I have given up with people saying the 480m runs hot lol...

It seems everyone runs off at the mouth about it but never bothers to check and see if it actually does ...

I think there are alot of angry 5870m owners who want to see Fermi fail on every level or atleast thats the feeling i get ...

 

480m probably runs hot without Clevo's Great Wall of Copper in its machines.

I am relatively new to the scene and came in with no favors toward neither ATI or Nvidia, but I can speak from a nuetral stance the reason why some want to see it fail is because of the ridiculous and unfair pricing. If the 480 was even $200 more then 5870 there would hardly be a debate.

Charging what its charging right now for basically a card that performs exactly the same as the 5870 is almost on the level of scam, and people who buy into it continue Nvidia's mandate to charge arbitrarily higher prices, because it can, and because people will buy it because its Nvidia. If the card fails, so too will Nvidia's tendency to charge its high prices because of a lack of consumer demand, it will be forced to charge less to keep up with ATI.