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    5-10 copies of WoW (multiboxing) minimum GPU/CPU recommendation

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by nodoze, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. nodoze

    nodoze Newbie

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    I would like to run 5-10 copies of World of Warcraft on a laptop and would appreciate minimum GPU/CPU recommendations that fits into a 15" laptop (or smaller but figure 15 is the smallest I could go with).

    I also started a thread on an overall laptop recommendation but I am curious what experts in this specific sub-forum think are the minimum GPU/CPUs to reasonably run 5-10 copies of WoW on a laptop are.
     
  2. metril

    metril Notebook Deity

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    You are asking for too much out of even the most highest end laptops. Also, why are you doing this and why WoW?
     
  3. Vapkez

    Vapkez Notebook Evangelist

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    I agree with the bolded statement. And what do you mean why is he doing this and why WoW? He probably likes WoW and wants to dual or multibox on it. 5-10 is a ridiculous amount though. If you wanted to do a 5 man instance yourself, that is probably asking too much out of a computer. Also, I am not sure if this is correct or not, but can't you only dual box on two separate machines because you cannot open WoW twice?
     
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    Sorry. I should have been clearer. Why 5-10 instances on a laptop?
     
  5. granyte

    granyte ATI+AMD -> DAAMIT

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    wow men you got ambitions i'm sure i'd get my laptop to cook trying that
     
  6. redrazor11

    redrazor11 Formerly waterwizard11

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    I am able to run 2 instances of borderlands on my laptop (hd5650m + i7 1.6ghz first gen)

    I think if you want to run 5 comfortably, you're looking at a dual-gpu solution. I'm sure You could run 5 on a single gpu, but expect a slideshow.

    So, definitely go i7 so each of the instances can have their own thread. And try to get a multi-gpu solution so that you can try a sli setup.

    ISBoxer.com • View topic - Hardware performance review for WoW Cataclysm!

    That might help, as it states that crossfire may not be supported by windowed mode.
     
  7. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Maybe he just runs a load of gold farming bots?
     
  8. nodoze

    nodoze Newbie

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    Wow allows multiple clients on any PC capable of running them.

    Using ISBoxer: premium MMORPG multiboxing software you can control them as a well coordinated team which does as well or better than many 5 man PuGs.... I like the complexity of optimizing a full team and challenge of running them all at once...

    ISBoxer does allow one to limit the framerate of background clients so it actually isnt' as bad as one would think.
     
  9. ViciousXUSMC

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    Id think that a good high end quad core and 16 or 32GB of RAM is idea.

    GPU I think would only need to run one game at a time so a GPU that can run the game well would be ok. Though I guess each game will try to dump its texture data on the GPU but thats why your going to need tons of system RAM to support it.
     
  10. NateN34@gmail.com

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    I am not a fan and I have never played this game, but I am guessing you are going to hack of some sort.

    Also running that many on ANY computer will kill it. Even on high end desktops.

    Here is one that should be able to do that though:

    - Dual Quad Core Xeons or I7
    - 24 Gigs of RAM
    - 3+ GTX 580's in SLI
     
  11. GamingACU

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    I'd recommend the Sager 7282 with i7 990x (desktop processor) and 12gb 1333mhz ram. You might be able to get away with 1x 580m gtx as well, but you could always go SLI to be safe.

    You won't get a better processor in a laptop anywhere else, and WOW is pretty cpu dependent.
     
  12. kurtcocaine

    kurtcocaine Notebook Evangelist

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    I dont see what's the big deal..

    WOW is a really old game..just turn down all the settings to min and min possible resolution..

    Then assign each instance a different cpu core by going into task manager and right clicking on process to set affinity.. this way you can set the 8 logical cores of a quad core intel to process 8 separate threads..that might be too much but it can very easily handle 4 processes.. 1 for each physical core
    and obviously turn off core parking
    The gpu wont matter much as when its in the background the core isnt being used but as Vicious pointed out, the ram might be used to store textures.. but a 1.5gig gtx560m should be enough for that..
    The main concern is system ram which should be around 8gb imho

    All of this is assuming you dont actually want to play it but just have it run in the background and 4-5 instances are enough.. I agree with everyone else about running 5-10 will be very difficult..

    so a quad core sandy + gpu with >= 1.5 gb vram and 8-12gb system ram should be enough
     
  13. MahmoudDewy

    MahmoudDewy Gaming Laptops Master Race!

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    I was just going to say the same .... what does the GPU has to do with when he is running one instance of the game at a time ... I think it is all about processor & ram

    As for an actual experience I used to triple box using a C2D T7200 & after it a C2D T6600 both accompanied by 4 gigs of DDR2 memory on both windows Vista & Windows 7... but that was on TBC & WoTLK ... dunno about cata I got bored and didn't bother to go on
     
  14. Peter Bazooka

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    I ran 3 instances on a core 2 duo at 2.5ghz, 4gb of ram, and an 8800M gts. I had a main screen running decent resolution and the others running windowed at the lowest resolution and lowest settings. This was during Burning Crusade and I know its a tougher game to run now, but 5 should run fine and 10 might be possible on a quad core processor with 8gb of ram and a gpu like the 6970m as long as you don't go crazy on the settings.
     
  15. DEagleson

    DEagleson Gamer extraordinaire

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    Il agree that WoW is an old game, but the new Cataclysm does tax my HD 6970m on Ultra with Dx11.
    Still does 60+ fps on 1920x1080. :3
     
  16. Simplified

    Simplified The Most Awesome

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    5-10 WOW accounts :eek:... Sounds expensive.

    I think you can gain some performance by minimizing all the wow windows that are not in use, and open the minimized window(s) that you want to use at the time.

    I think at lowest settings with minimized windows (2 open windows) an i7 2720qm + 6970 should work.
     
  17. jerg

    jerg Have fun. Stay alive.

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    Have each copy of WoW on minimum resolution (800x640) and graphics settings (everything low and disable all effects), there you can now run like 20 instances with enough RAM.
     
  18. Stiiiiig

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    I like how everyone jumped on this thread saying its impossible or you need the greatest specs possible, then the people who have actually done it pipe up and its nowhere near what people started out as saying.
     
  19. jerg

    jerg Have fun. Stay alive.

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    They are expecting OP to run 5~10 WoW instances all on maximum settings and 1080p lol. Obviously that is not the case with the (possibly sinister) intentions behind this cause.
     
  20. Akodo79

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    There is absolutely no reason to run that many instances of wow for anything other than bot farming. Even with all the settings lowered, you will need a quad core processor and a lot of RAM to pull it off. Plus, if you are running 5-10 accounts from one machine, you just increase your odds of getting caught and banned using just one IP. Paying for that many accounts just to get them all banned at once is your business though.
     
  21. JoeTheMultiboxer

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    Honestly Nodoze, just ask me. ;)

    I run 5 on my Asus G73JH (i7, ATI 5870, 6gb RAM). The only real requirement for running 10 would be additional RAM. Additional CPU cores would be a major benefit, since you want 1 core per game instance for smooth performance. Even with 5 though, you don't get that on the i7 (4 cores). One CPU core will have to be shared.

    GPU isn't a major issue, one high end GPU is usually sufficient to run all of the game windows at low graphics settings. SLI/Crossfire are unreliable in windowed mode at best -- your mileage may vary. Multi-GPU multiboxing performance is usually had by splitting the instances manually between the two GPUs, via multiple monitors. Most people are not prepared for the performance problems that SLI/Crossfire present for multiboxing; it would be awesome if it were as simple as it is with throwing more CPUs at it, but it's fundamentally different.

    A couple of links on this topic:
    Multiboxing Recommended System Specifications - ISBoxer
    CPU Management - ISBoxer
    GPU Management - ISBoxer

    As far as why people multibox, usually it has nothing to do with being nefarious or botting. People who are spending extra money on the game are generally not interested in getting banned. Most multiboxers are actually only running 2 characters, one being for heals or buffs for the main character. Running 5, there's a bunch of people who are bad at 5v5 arenas and some who are pretty decent, but for the most part I would say people are doing PvE content for fun. As a parent with a job, I don't have uninterrupted time to do instances with other people... but as a multiboxer, I can take my time going through an instance by myself.

    There's nothing wrong with doing this from 1 IP because they're not interested in banning you for multiboxing. But they will ban you for breaking the rules, like harassment, exploiting bugs, selling currency, botting, etc. These things have as much to do with multiboxing as they have to do with playing the game itself... you can break any of these rules with one character.
     
  22. roliath

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    sli/xfire don't work in windowed mode
     
  23. HTWingNut

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    How do you play more than one at once? Don't your other dudes just sit there idle getting pummeled while you operate one?
     
  24. JoeTheMultiboxer

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    It's a lot like programming a keyboard or mouse to fire off button X when you hit Y, except multiboxing software lets you pick the window/PC it goes to. There's also hardware multiplexers that can send your keystrokes to multiple PCs. If you're getting pummeled and your other dudes are just sitting there idle, you're doing it wrong :)

    There's numerous videos on youtube that show multiboxing gameplay, or break down parts of configuration, etc. Like this one YouTube - World of Warcraft -- Basic Healing 101‬‏ shows how to play a healer with your main character... using an interactive view of part of the healer's window, in your main window, and clicking in the view to cast heals.
     
  25. Lieto

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    Cant understand why its not considered botting when its actually botting. Other characters feel rather scripted.

    This reminds me of how we "played" Aion.
    Firstly we bought a game and payed subscription fee.
    Then we got a bot to level because leveling was super boring. Bot had sub fee as well.
    After we leveled it turned out that farming for gear is super boring as well so we bought another account and another bot to farm for us.

    After around 3 months we realized that we are paying 100usd for 4 acoounts and then another 100 usd for 4 bots to play on those accounts. Virtually we payed so our bots could play the game. Win imo.

    Wow isnt that boring at least. You can do 1-2 bgs once in a while and get geared in a month or so.
     
  26. KernalPanic

    KernalPanic White Knight

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    lol... playing a multiplayer game 5 at a time so as to not have to play multiplayer...

    "Boxing" a buffer is one thing... this isn't that... he will be botting instances to farm them. It should be illegal, but no one will care.

    Told ya Lieto... WoW is a game FULL of bots... its just that no one cares.
     
  27. Lieto

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    I am pretty sure he is not doing it to bot gold or items — i mean laptop needed for that would never pay for itself and if you are not going to sell gold for money you dont need that much gold in that game. I used to be like "gold is cool" but then i realized that i cant really buy much for it.

    Its most likely just to try and play it like some Dragon age playing as a team without "pause" or for the lulz one shotting players with some instant spells. It rarely works like this though — every time we took a multiboxer with use we failed horribly simply because 5 real shamans is better then 1 player with 5 shamans. Useful operations per minute is not on the same scale at all.
     
  28. JoeTheMultiboxer

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    It's rare in my experience to come across a botter in WoW. People making actual money off of nefarious things in WoW and other games don't bother with difficult and low-margin things like botting, they make their money off of theft and fraud (steal your accounts, or your credit cards to fraudulently buy other peoples accounts to resell things) and exploiting major bugs in the game (e.g. dupes). They often find dupes in beta, and then make a huge profit after the game is released. You can't bot your way into beating that.

    Multiboxing is not even close to botting. A botter does not need to be at the keys, or even own a monitor, because the game is being played for him. Every action and reaction is scripted based on some predetermined set of rules. You get low health, and you're automatically healed because your bot is designed to do that.

    A multiboxer, on the other hand, has to be at the keys, activating every action and reaction, just as someone playing a single character would -- except far more difficult to do well. Compared to doing all three typical roles at once, playing one healer, tank or dps is 100% herp derp.

    It's fine to not like people who multibox, it's not for everyone... but suggesting that having more than one account is the same as botting is just ignorant ;)

    And as Lieto correctly pointed out, 5 humans playing their own characters in PVP is a lot more dangerous than 1 human playing 5 characters. You can't individually move each of your characters in different directions to "not stand in the fire"; area effects usually slam the entire team; fear mechanics can turn the so-called "bots" into one real character and 4 guys just standing there; playing 5 against 5 is hard because the opponents can spread out and focus heals on a specific player, etc.
     
  29. dooms33ker

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    If you aren't gold farming with the five instances then you are rich. $75 bucks a month to solo play a MMORPG from 2004 is pretty crazy if you ask me.

    If micromanagement is your thing, play Warcraft 3 for free...

    I can understand having a second instance for healing and such, but more than that is most likely just gold farming...
     
  30. JoeTheMultiboxer

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    This isn't just about WoW and 2004... RIFT came out months ago (though you might call it WoW or every other MMO), and people have been multiboxing it since beta. EVE Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Dungeons & Dragons Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EverQuest, EverQuest 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Aion, Ultima Online, etc -- pretty much any MMO. People will even be multiboxing The Old Republic. I believe some people already are, but there's an NDA so we don't know for sure.

    Also, unless you're talking about selling it, what's wrong with "gold farming"? That's 75% of what you do in these games anyway. Hell, in EVE if you don't have at least half a dozen mining ships you're not doing it right.

    As far as being rich, rich people build or buy yachts, flying machines and cars... people who multibox games usually have jobs, or are college students...

    Not that there aren't any rich people or gold farmers who multibox, but saying that multiboxers are either rich, botting, or gold farmers is like saying everyone who plays WoW is 12. It's just not reality.
     
  31. KernalPanic

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    Like I said, boxing something is one thing... (not my thing, but I don't care)

    5 at a time isn't boxing... its replacing needing to rely on anyone else... and we all know it only takes like half a step furthur to replace needing to be at the keyboard at all. If hetruly plays al 5 characters... more power to him... but we all know that isn't the point. Why play WoW at all that way?
    Dragon age would be better in every way.

    WoW is an insanely easy game... he will bot the high-end instances and collect all the gear or himself... then sell run-throughs for others...

    Gold is pointless in WoW... levelling normally to 40 while using at least one collecting profession (and not being a complete idiot) will net more gold than you will ever need.

    Credit card fraud (and thus account fraud) can possibly result in you being sent to prison... botting through a game and RMT'ing might get you banned... but has no real-life consequence. There is no risk since the WoW characters you make are 1-week investments (at most) in time such a person wouldn't actually even play.
    Honestly, such a person probably won't even get banned even once.
     
  32. JoeTheMultiboxer

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    To each his own. I don't see the comparison to Dragon Age. People play MMOs for the social aspect, to play and compete with friends (or make new ones). Many multiboxers like to play together in multiboxing guilds, and raid together. I don't see where any of that comes into play at all with Dragon Age.

    Account/card fraud isn't usually done from the US and usually carries less risk than botting, since there is actual investment required for botting (unless you are getting the accounts from fraud). When a botter gets banned they lose their investment in accounts, AND has to invest in a new method of not getting banned the next time. On the flip side, what does a fraudster care about getting banned? They're just going to keep getting stuff for nothing.
     
  33. mangos47

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    back in 2007 when I still play wow, I tried running 4 wow on a PC with the spec like: AMD x2 3800+, 4GB ram, Geforce 9600GT. It was not multiboxing. I control 1 character while the other 3 alts are grouped and on following for some free experience. I did that to save some time leveling up alts of my buddies'. I had all wow window in 1280x800 and all effects on medium to low. Only the main window I'm controling a character is on display with others on background. It was quite smooth. But if introducing too much visual effect or larger resolution, fps would fall below 30 so I didn't try that.

    with today's improved hardware even in laptops, I think if OP uses the latest sandy bridge i7 quad core, with a GTX485m or 580m or AMD 69xxm, 6-8GB ram, 5 copies of wow should run ok. My feeling from last time's experience is that if you only see one screen of wow while the other copies of wow are running on background, they don't eat up computational resource that much. But multiboxing may be a bit different because the same input goes to all copies of wow and it may introduce more load with that plus the additional software whatever it is.
     
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    Quite plausible, I'd say.