7600 Gt and 7600 GO

any real difference in the nvidia geforce 7600 gt ect ect and the go used in the laptops?

 

Yes. The desktop chips typically run faster as compared to the laptop chips. Look at nvidia's site and see the difference in clock speeds, rendering pipelines and such for the "whole" picture.

 

Well, sony has laptops with the GF 7600 GT graphics card in them.

So they can both be "laptop" GPUs.

And there is a performance difference. The 7600 Go compares with the ATI X1600. The 7600 GT performs slightly better than the ATI X1700 (or GF 7700 Go)

 

Well there are two 7600s in laptops. the 7600 gs which is found in everything apart from the sony ar series which has a gt which performs better(By how much i dont know)
Usually the desktop gpu is quicker as they dont have the heat constraints that are a major problem in notebooks and thus the desktop gpu can be clocked faster.

The 7600gs is still a very good gpu though.

 

the gtr is apx 150% faster.

 

There are 3 versions of the 7600 Go. The 128,256, & 512MB. The 7600 GT comes with 256MB and is faster than the other 3. http://www.nvidia.com/page/go_7600.html

 

Alright, I'm gonna condense the nonsense because some people seem a little confused.

NOTE: All have 128-bit memory buses, and none of them use TurboCache.

MOBILE PARTS

GeForce Go 7600; 8 Pipelines; 128-bit memory; 128/256/512MB video RAM; Stock Clocks 450MHz/500MHz (1GHz DDR), though I have yet to see one with more than 400MHz (800MHz DDR) on the video memory.

GeForce Go 7600GT; 12 Pipelines; 256MB video RAM; Stock Clocks 500MHz/600MHz (1.2GHz DDR)

GeForce Go 7700; 12 Pipelines; 256MB/512MB video RAM; Stock Clocks 450MHz/500MHz (1GHz DDR)


DESKTOP PARTS

GeForce 7600GS; 12 Pipelines; 256MB video RAM; Stock Clocks 400MHz/400MHz (800MHz DDR)

GeForce 7600GT; 12 Pipelines; 256MB video RAM; Stock Clocks 560MHz/700MHz (1.4GHz DDR)


For what it's worth, I've found my 7600GT scorches past my Go 7600. Quake 4 jumps two full resolutions from 1280x800 to 1680x1050 with all details maxed. I do want to point out, though, that the Go 7600 is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination, and is MORE than capable of driving most games at 1280x800 if not higher; I needed to get my widescreen before I could even really start pushing it.

 

The 7600 on my zepto is labelled as a 7600gs though. How does that work?

 

Snow_fox, desktop and mobile GPUs are not the same thing as mentioned above. Even though two cards may share the same #, it doesn't mean that the 7600 desktop and 7600 mobile versions are comparable in performance.

Where is it labeled go 7600 GS? In the device manager?

Zepto.com lists it as a 512MB go 7600.

 

Its both a 7600gs in system information, display properties and on the ati vista are you ready thing. But benchmarks are on par with other 7600gs's

 

Pulp - Since you have the knowledge please give the spec for 'Geforce Go 7600 SE' found for example in Acer Laptops. I've tried to get info from Nvidia but they gave me a zero-info answer on that one.

 

The GeForce Go 7600SE is something like budget version of the Go7600
(meaning underlocked ... less pipilines)

here are the 3DMark results

3dMark... 2003 2005 2006
7600SE... 8100 3250 2000
7600..... 8800 3800 2600

 

Looks like it's just underclocked. If the pipelines were reduced or the memory bus was halved, performance would be a LOT lower.

 

Yes, it does. However, who knows.. there is a kind of mystery about these suffixes...

Nvidia's notion "SE" usually means in some way crippled...it would be good to avoid things that end in "E" (i.e. SE, LE ,VE...)

Another confusing thing is that Ati and Nvidia use one and the same suffixes in diferent way... just nice

 

That's deliberate, a case of one trying to make the other look bad.

For example, the XT suffix on an ATI part denotes a powerful part, where XT on an nVidia part denotes something seriously crippled.

The GT suffix on an nVidia part denotes a powerful part as well, while GT on an ATI part is basically the bottom rung of the high end.

 

Yes I do know that...

However, there too many deliberatly made things..

- if we start with the well hidden sizes of the dedeicated/shared memory
- then the misleading numbers
- then the misleading suffixes

This is some kind of "predatory" marketing... which I can't stand

 

Give it some time and it'll come full circle. The same problems were going on in the CPU arena for the past few years, but recently you'll notice things have started to cool down.

The reality is that this marketing gets out of hand to the point where consumers get incredibly confused and just don't know what to buy at all, and typically just buy the lowest common denominator to save themselves some grief.

I expect that eventually, maybe in a generation or three, this crap will start paring down. Note how simple current generation mobile graphics are. ATI has: X1300, X1400, X1600, X1700, X1800, and they all fall in line performance wise where they ought to. nVidia has: 7200, 7300, 7400, 7600, 7700, 7800, 7900, and likewise, they fall in line.

I certainly miss the halcyon days of the Radeon 9 series and GeForce FX series, though. Not for the performance, just the simplicity.

 

That seems quite decent for a card that features in laptops a fair bit cheaper then ones sporting the full 7600 Go - I wonder can you clock it back to original speeds? It must have the same amount of pipelines as the scores are very close...

Usually, the "SE" part means a budget card with disabled pipelines and slower clock speed. I used to have an Ati X800SE, and although it was still decent at the time, it was only about 65% as powerful as the fully fledged X800 Vanilla. Cost alot less though.

edit: As above. And as well, I despise the "Predatory marketing" also - it makes me feel pretty **** annoyed whenever I go into a store and see something like a low end 7300GS advertised as a gaming card with something like "A monster 512mb memory", which incidentally it can't even use at all and its also a crap card.

But the average person sees the numbers, and buys it, thinking they've gotten a great deal and cannot understand when they get home and games are running poorly.

Grr...

 

Yes, the average person could also "see" things like:
SE - Special Edition, Second Edition...Super.... and when get home it'd turn to Stupid Edition

or the worst case

"The GMA 900 provides incredible visual quality, versatile display options, and 3D performance-all without the additional cost, noise and power that discrete graphics cards can require."

and probably would be easier for the same "average person" to get a decent car than a decent notebook...
(fortunately no cars with GMA)

 

Your saying that all mobile 7600's have a 128bit memory bus. But I don't think this is true.

A friend of mine has just bought a Toshiba P100 with 7600 128mb graphics. He rang me to say that he is only scoring 2,165 in 3dmark05.

He installed rivatuner and it said his memory is 64bit. This would explain the score which is not much more than what an X1400 gets.

 

Of course, it's not true...

First,

There are different vesions versions of the Go 7600, some with 64bit memory and other with 128bit memory. Hence the significant difference in the performance.

for example:
Go 7600 (64 bit memory bus, 256MB) - '03 - 3900
Go 7600 (128 bit memory bus, 128MB) - '03 - 7800

Second,

The Go 7600 use TurboCache.

for example:
128Mb + 128Mb TurboCache
256Mb + 256Mb TurboCache

 

Eh none of the 7600 GO's have TurboCache!! You are a "DREAMER" The feature just isnt there!!..

And "TheGooner", i also have a Toshiba P100 with the 7600Go and they are very heavily underclocked by toshiba!.. When i got mine (with the 7600 256mb) it was only scoring 3150 3DMark 05 points!.. Installed Riva Tuner and when i put the clocks back to the "way they should be", my 3Dmark score went through the roof to 4200marks!!!.. I would say the 128mb version, when clocked up will get the same increase of around 1000marks and get up to 3200 3D Marks which is what u shud expect from the card.

My original clocks were at 350/400 and they are now at 440/470.. which led to the 1000 3D Marks increase i already mentioned..
Tell your mate to match my clock settings and see how he gets on...

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

Yeah exactly what i said!! None of the 7600's or above have TurboCache!. Only the 7200/7300/7400. I reccommend that you get your facts straight b4 posting.

 

Please keep it civilized and under control in here. Thanks.

 

except for the version that has turbocache you mean

the 128 mb version.

So none of them except for the one that has it. Now we all agree.

the 256 mb version doesnt have it so that is incorrect up there as well.

what it is is not the card but the ram. its a process for the nvidia cards with 128 mb or less.

 

That's a myth!

The Go 7600's do have TurboCache versions:

"NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 256MB / 512MB TurboCache"
"NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 128MB / 256 MB TurboCache"

I always check my information before posting, I reccommend you to do the same if you know how to.

 

Thats a myth! hahaha thats a fact! Its even on the NVidia Website! The only ones that are marked as having Turbocache are the 7400 and below.. And thats not my only source!

If you have such definititive facts, why dont you post the threads to your source(s) and show us where u got this waffle from?!

 

That's ridiculous...

When you are so naive to rely on the Nvidia's Site, I really can't help you and I'm not gonna continue talking to you...

As regards the fact, If you haven't heard about Google and If you don't know how to use it, I'm not gonna teach you...

Best Wishes

 

Yes, completely naive depending on the manufacturer of the actual product to tell you what they make

And if you Google it, you only find that a few european models of Acers seem to support TurboCache, and almost all the sites at the top seem a little sketchy, as well as having pages that refer to desktop and not laptop cards. That's not resounding support for the 7600 having TurboCache, Dreamer. And on NVIDIA's site they explicitly say that the 7600 doesn't have TurboCache.

There's not overwhelming evidence that the Go7600 has TurboCache versions. You posted some text, no links backing up what you said. So I frankly don't blame him for thinking that the 7600 doesn't do TurboCache. I'm not even sure it does, as every implementation of the Go7600 I've seen in a notebook is sans TurboCache.

 

Chaz's request has obviously been overlooked here. Please keep your posts on-topic and avoid insulting each other.

Thank you.

 

There are Acer, Samsung, Asus and Sony notebooks announced with Go 7600 TurboCache... and these notebooks are on different european sites (sold in different countries).

There are also some european sites about mobile GPUs reviews and benchmarks according to which there are TurboCache versions of the Go 7600. (On the same sites is written that there is 64-bit memory bus version of the Go 7600, which is proven.)

Some similar forum discussion on the same topic can be found too.

And so, there too many coincidences... which make me wonder about that...

I did not post any links just because all of the sites are written in different european languages. Everyone can check this information...

This discussion seems over unleess someone can prove the existence/nonexistence of TurboCache in the Go 7600 without refering to the Nvidia's Site (don't ask why!)

 

Forget "Rumours" on the topic..! Show me what you have seen! Show me even a part of a web page that describes the 7600 with Turbocache.

And just so you know, the laptop manufactures get it wrong ALOT of the time with regard to what they are actually putting in their laptops. I know this because i sell laptops on a day to day basis IN EUROPE!! We get laptops into stock that have been described as having a certain spec on the manufacturers website, and end up having a diffrent spec when we get them! ANd the most common error that is made is with the description they provide of the graphics card on the machines( probably because there are so many different kinds/variations of the Gpu's out there!) We sell ASUS,ACER,TOSHIBA, HP and ever other model under the sun available in europe!! Thats a fact!. No laptops with the 7600 "Turbocache" are available or are soon to become available!.
So im still waiting on your reference(s) from which you got ur info from!..

 

Wow... I guess I have stumbled onto one of those things x.x

Sheesh.. I am by no means illiterate when it comes to computers but, this is kinda ...disturbing... the sheer amount of misinformation is detestable...

Erm.. something to keep in mind.. you kinda loose me when you go into the details about pipelines, turbocache and so forth.. I am not asking for anyone to go out of their way and explain it.. however, I guess I should point out if I a (not so much as I use to be but, still an active or enthusastic gamer) have no idea what your talking about.. then odds are.. the sales reps probably won't have any idea because they know less about it then I do..

I mean.. seriously.. call up dell and start talking about video games and the equipment nessicery to play them.. you might find that entertaining... So it wouldn't surprise me if alot of them just mindlessly jabber/write whatever they are told without question... so specs are bound to be changed ect ect...

Lets face it.. we live in an age where you can work for a computer company. and know nothing about computers.. not have a job.. and be more computer literate then a Ceo of a major coorporation.. However, I am hoping sooner or later all the misleading numbers hurt the companies.. and it gets to a point that they can not hide behind there numbers bad products x.x

 

Hahahahahahaha oh DREAMER.. Wrong wrong wrong im afraid. Hahah we sell almost everyone of those EXACT models u have put on ur link..
The sony Vaio FE Series. Exact same spec accross Europe and the low to mid range models are sold with Geforce 7400 cards with 256mb Turbocache (128mb dedicated/128 shared). The best one comes with the 7600 128 DEDICATED and im afraid no Turbocache. Held the laptop in my hands my boy, aswel as all the other ones. Very overpriced model aswel.

As for ASUS. We are the ONLY outlet in Ireland to sell ASUS' and the A6T is one of our best sellers. Most come with the 7300 Turbocache and the VERY high end have the 7600.

ACER..same
Samsung..same

Sorry!

 

The GeForce 7600 does not use TurboCache. It says it on Nvidia's website:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/7_series_techspecs.html
See the bottom chart. There is no hardware support for it on cards above the 7400/7300.

 

Thank You Chaz. Thats exactly what i was tryin to tell this lad

 

That's really "helpful" Chaz. I haven't heard about Nvidia's site before. Thank you that informed me!

Just for information:

Nvidia's website says nothing about a Go 7600 with 64-bit memory bus but it DOES EXIST.

Nvidia's website says nothing about a budget (crippled) "SE" version of the Go 7600 but it DOES EXIST.

Do I need to continue?

Feel free to continue being so naive and believe in everything what is written on the manufacturer's sites. By the way, there are churches for believers, you can ask there for more reliable information.

I personally have seen enough "strange" thing about the video cards, marketing tricks, companies websites etc., so I would not be surprised to see anything.

I think that everything is said here for the time being, unless someone find "more reliable" information.

 

I think you simply need to accept that the Go7600 does not use TurboCache. It has no hardware support for TurboCache. Fishy sells all those laptops you posted, and if he says they do not have TurboCache, then I'm inclined to believe him because he sells them.

Disable rep? Sure. Go into User CP (top left of page in the blue bar), then Edit Options, and uncheck "Show my reputation level." Hope that helps.

 

Closing this thread.