7970m...how high can it overclock?

all depends on quality of card. My card is garbage compared to some others. PS2 has the biggest gain...I somehow doubled FPS. Over all i have had 20-100% gain but most are 20-40% Largely because memory overclock gives huge performance gains because memory is bottleneck for some reason

BTW you can just get a 920XM chip and buy a new GPU and have a great system again. current gen systems will drop a ton in price soon since next gen are coming out very soon

 

A little late now, my laptop will be here in a few days already I don't mind though. If worst comes to worst, I can always sell it a year from now and but the 8*** series or whatever Nvidia's next refresh is if I have a bad time with AMD.

100% gain in PS2? That's nuts. I really want to play that game, especially as it looks gorgeous and I've seen people max it out easily with a 7970m and still get 30FPS+.

Anything over a 20% gain is likely worth a small overclock, I'll likely have a go and see how cool I can keep the temps.

 

i get 30-60FPS but i don't think it looks good on my u2412m :/ pictures made it look better.

 

Really? That's a shame. Still, I want to give it a shot regardless. That and Hawken, can't believe that two of the first games I'll be installing are F2P games. Hell, those and DOTA2 are pretty much all I need for now (along with Crysis 1+2 and BF3 for benchmarking reasons).

 

Hay guys, do you know if there's a gap wich you can't go under when you underclock your card.
Mine is running actually at 0.975v/950mhz/1350mhz, but i would really appreciate to go at about 0.925/0.9v at stock speeds. But my card doesn't want to run lower than 0.95v. Just annoyed.

 

hey guys maybe you know that,the Dell modded bios from svl7(7970m)does it work with clevo cards??
thanks.

 

svl7 would be best to ask on that.

not sure but you cna just extract the vbios with atiflash. TI has a guide and vbios patcher cna edit it.

 

Oh man, laptop just arrived and I can't install any AMD drivers. CCC won't be brought up, and if I check my devices, it gives me an unable to start error (10) and a generic name for my GPU. I'm stuck with the integrated intel 4000 right now and this is driving me mad. Anyone know what's up? I've installed .NET 4.5 and I've reinstalled and uninstalled the drivers loads of times but nothing works. Did a fresh install of Windows 7 twice and still nothing.

Tried FC3 and it's stuck at 5FPS on the menu at native res. What's going on? How can I actually get the drivers to recognize my card? Have I been given a bum GPU?

 

Damn, sorry to hear that. What happens when you try to install the drivers off the included disc? Does it just appear to install fine but you can't access ccc afterwards?

 

It installs SUPER fast, which makes me think it's skipping loads of content. Then again, it's my first SSD so maybe it's just that fast? Either way, it says there were errors but then when I click on the error file, there's nothing. There's also no CCC and no trace of any AMD drivers in my folders.

I installed the drivers off the disc in the order suggested and still had the same issue after my second Windows 7 reinstall. The drivers just don't stick.

I wanted to post something on AMD's website but any switchable graphics come under manufacturer problems apparently. To be honest, I can see why Nvidia are so far ahead. That's terrible customer service and despite LOADS of people complaining about the same thing, there's not a single answer that's worked for me.

 

It takes a while to install the vga drivers the first time, even if it's an ssd. I just did a clean install of windows on my new ssd last night and it's kind of a slow process (even on a Samsung 840 Pro, among the fastest SSD's out there.) Something is definitely wrong, though I'm not sure if it's a hardware issue or not. I would contact your reseller's tech support and see if they can help, it sounds like you may need to RMA the laptop

I wish I could offer more advice, but I've never heard of that happening before. Did you install the SSD yourself, or did it come with the laptop? I'm just wondering if it might be a problem with the SSD.

 

Everything else works fine. The SSD came with the laptop. I installed a secondary HDD but haven't used it.

I'll call the company first thing tomorrow morning but I really can't see what they can do. I couldn't get the Wi-Fi to work earlier so I called them and they seemed to know less than I did...

I think I give up for today. Might try a reformat and Windows 8 install tomorrow to see if that helps but yeah, seriously weird. And frustrating. It's kind of put me off the idea of going ATI altogether. Might just get a refund and wait it out a few months...

 

I wouldn't let it dissuade you, it's definitely not a normal occurrence with the 7970m. There are isolated hardware issues with both nvidia and amd; there's always the chance that a new computer will have defective parts. I really hope you can get it sorted out though. There's nothing worse than getting a new laptop and then having problems with it. Once thing I would suggest doing if you haven't already is trying a clean install of Windows and the drivers on your other hdd to make sure it's not the SSD. It seems unlikely though, since the Intel display driver installed ok.

btw, I saw in your other thread that dxdiag doesn't show the 7970m, that's normal for Enduro laptops to only show the HD 4000. My NP9150 is the same way.

 

agreed AMD has a few bad parts when first launched...they did rush the 7970 so they coudl beat nvidia...they beat them by at least 3 months right?

 

OK, that's good to know. Still, Windows is constantly telling me that the Secondary VGA Adapter has a problem which is a little annoying.

Hopefully once I call the company tomorrow morning they can talk through a solution...

I'll do a fresh install again later tonight but this time straight up to Windows 8. Will then uninstall all drivers and see what happens. Not holding my breath though.

Still, even if my GPU is broken, why can't I install and use CCC? I can install and use Nvidias command centre thing fine (tried it to see). Weird how the hardware could affect software like that....

 

have u tried the aforementioned method of installing intel drivers first (newest ones) and then installing the stock amd drivers from the cd after a reboot? then what most ppl would do (as far as ive witnessed here) is to install the most current ones over that with everything unchecked except from the gpu driver itself.

 

I'm going to reformat everything and start again but yeah, I definitely did try that and no luck. Maybe second time's the charm....? Certainly hope so, would really rather not have to send this back before Christmas

 

wait time two get it back with two major holidays back to back will be a garbage shoot

 

Yeah I really hope it doesn't come to that Vitor. Your reseller's tech support needs to get their act together and help you fix the problem, assuming it's not hardware-related.

 

I certainly hope so, I'm about to try one last format/reinstall and then give them a call. That being said, their tech support was pretty poor when I called yesterday about the fact that my Wi-Fi wouldn't turn on... (The bundled clevo CD said I had to force it on first using the function keys before it would install, and the CD's auto-install refused to let me install the drivers until I did so. Only the function key wouldn't activate it, despite working for every other F-function. I had to manually find the WI-Fi drivers within the CD and force them to install, and then it worked. Tech support had me taking the keyboard off my unit to check if the Wi-Fi card was actually there and never suggested a simple forced install....)

Oh I know, it's awful timing. Even if I sent it off today, they wouldn't be able to send it back until Monday, assuming they could fix it in 2 days, and then it wouldn't arrive until God knows when.

 

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I started up my system using the F2 command to get into the set up and the VGA card is listed as a 680m?!

Is this because I installed an Nvidia driver once by accident? Or have they royally f*ed up my order and given me a better GPU? Or, even worse, the wrong BIOs?

When I installed the Nvidia drivers because they were set as default on the reseller CD, the installation did say that my system was compatible... Then again, I just assumed it was referring to the intel HD 4000. Is this just because I didn't completely remove the drivers? What's going on!?

EDIT: Installed the latest Nvidia drivers and yeah.... the devices tab lists my GPU as a 680m :|

 

LOL ? well THERES ur problem :what:
no wonder the amd drivers wouldnt install lol
well whatever, now just go and enjoy ur beastly laptop and be happy about the fact that u just saved like 250 bucks

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lol, I know! Really appreciate all the help and support I got from these forums though. I would have been so much more stressed yesterday without them. Can't quite believe my luck either...

Also, here in the UK, the price difference between a 7970m and a 680m is around £300, so more like $500 :Z

 

cool you got a more expensive slightly better GPU. Only pro about nvidia in my eyes is the fact you get physicsx ^^ now go play arkham city or whatever ^^

 

Yeah,I'm not complaining

Finally able to play Crysis at 1080 on max at a near constant 60FPS. So awesome.

And yeah, as little a thing as it is, I actually really like Physx when it's done well... Arkham City and Borderlands 2 here I come

(Also, you'd be hard pressed to argue against the fact that Nvidia do generally have better driver support at least)

 

no question on driver support but actual performance difference is negligible because some games are good for one and some games are good for the other. Also i hole heartedly agree about physicsx. I plan on always keeping ATI in my laptops due to its cost effective but when it comes to desktop i will probably always get nvidia because of physicsx. I have no real reason to worry about and feel like i will die without it in a gaming laptop. The 5-10 games i would play can be played on the desktop ^^ Also desktop prices are not very difference compared to laptops.

 

Hahahaha that's so awesome! Congratulations man, and enjoy your beastly new laptop! You should post some benchmarks here once you get around to it. Who cares if it's not a 7970m

 

The notion that 680 is 'better' is open for discussion.
As previously noted, actual performance difference between 7970m and 680m on stock is barely noticeable whereas specific games can favor either 1 or the other.
Adding to that, the 680m is a lackluster in compute-performance (OpenCL) which was intentionally degraded (when compared to Fermi) in Kepler by Nvidia, whereas 7970m improved on compute performance compared to the 6xxx generation of AMD gpu's.

 

doesn't that affect stuff like autocad?

 

That's true, but it can easily be argued that the 680m is a better card for gaming due to Physx and its incredible overclock potential. Overall though they're very similar in terms of performance.

 

PhysX as such could be seen as more or less of a gimmick that doesn't really add anything conclusive to games because you barely notice it, and is supported by a handful of titles.
Overclocking is all fine and good, but both gpu's would be able to scale their OC's to levels where temperatures wouldn't be a problem and maintain more or less of a 'match' - thermally however, you will still be restricted to how far you can overclock.
The 680m might be able to OC higher, but are these clocks stable and do they contribute anything significant to games or programs in general compared to 'stock' clocks?

As for OpenCL affecting programs like AutoCad... you are forgetting Photoshop, along with a variety of other software that uses OpenCL.
Even for 'average users', people get more options with a consumer grade gpu than getting a (much more expensive) professional one (which is almost basically a BIOS modded consumer card)... especially now that more and more programs are written to offload the workload to the GPU using OpenCL.

Finally, looking at the 'cost' factor... 7970m definitely seems more attractive because it offers virtually same power, very high compute performance and costs less (compared to 680m).

In the end, its up to you to make your own decision of what suits you best.

 

btw physicsx is definately not gimmicky....batman and mafia 2 look way better. i wont play batman arkham city until i get a nvidia card

 

I agree that the 7970m wins from a value standpoint, but I still think the 680m has an edge over it in terms of gaming. Physx isn't a huge deal, but it's nice to have. The overclock potential of the 680m beats the 7970m by a large margin in both temperatures and stability. Both cards can handle a healthy oc, but the 680m is a monster. It's impressive that an hd 7870-based 7970m keeps up with the gtx 670-based 680m as well as it does, but in the end it's still based on an inferior desktop gpu. There's another pretty substantial advantage to the 680m: driver stability. AMD has made incredible improvements with the 12.11 beta, but there are a whole bunch of people out there who have been complaining about BSODs and crashing (I'm not one of them, I've had a great experience with the new drivers.) I have faith AMD will continue to improve, they just need to hurry up and release the 12.11 WHQL already!

You're right, it comes down to personal preference. I think the 7970m is a better overall package, but I still think the 680m has the edge in gaming. Just my humble opinion

 

Ha, I'm currently downloading everything I've been meaning to play for the past few years but couldn't quite manage on my 285m. The one downside of having me entire library on Steam is that this takes a lot longer than just installing everything off a disc...

Will post some benchmarks once I'm done fooling around! Currently using the latest 310.70 drivers but performance isn't as high as I'd hoped (not quite a solid 50+ on Crysis 2 DX11 on Extreme and AC3 is dipping below 40 FPS in Boston) but it's still a HUGE improvement over my old rig

 

Trust me, AC3 runs better on the 680m than it does on the 7970m. It's the one game in my collection that runs like complete crap, it starts out at 60 fps but drops down to 20 fps once I reach Boston. It's the same thing for pretty much all AMD cards. Ubisoft screwed up the port so bad lol.

 

Quoting myself.
Finally found how to do it. Had to go back to stock vbios, then to change my .cfg from my ccc.
Now running at 0.925/900/1300, with perfect temps ( never gone above 72 celsius ).

 

btw i would drop core and add mhz to ram or just increase ram because ram is the biggest bottle neck. or atleast keep an eye on it to see if your bottlenecked by ram freq

 

not true, increasing the gpu core clock always brings more of a performance boost than increasing the gpu ram clock. its true that the 7970m profits more than usual from a ram OC but that doesnt mean that it provides more of a perf. boost than a core OC
thus, the rule of thumb is still valid: when u OC the gpu, try to get as much as possible from ur core. once ure done with that, only THEN start to OC the ram
if u do it the other way round, ull get lots of unnecessary heat production from the OCed ram that prevents the core to OC tp its max. potential.

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i disagree. I have seen most of the games bottled neck on stock clocks because ram is too low. PS2 doubled for me when i increased the ram...granted i think that is an anomaly but all games i have had benefited more from ram than core....i have seen core clock do nothing when uped but 5-20FPS more with ram overclock.

 

that cant be right, double the fps by upping the ram? the 7970m is not THAT severely bottlenecked by the ram. 23% oc on the core gave me around 15% boost in fps whereas a 23% oc on the ram only gave me another 5% gain. have u monitored ur ram frequencies at stock and oc? or have u upgrade drivers before ocing? that just doesnt sound right to me...

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again i said it was an anomily but i have played several games that ram boost did much more. I can't remember the games since i have played ~50 games in the last month so i run at 900 1400 instead of 850 1200 and the difference is huge

 

Thx for the advice.
Wasn't stable at 900/1350, but after droping gpu frequencies at 875, it is perfectly stable now ( 875/1340 ).

 

I have been tyring to UV with the profiles.xml method as OV has proved to work. But no matter what voltage i set (UV) hwinfo64 (and other programs) report 1v voltage @ max. Stressing with MSI Kombustor does show the voltage I set up (0.950v) but no other programs.

When OVing via xml method hwinfo64 shows the correct voltage (like 1.05v was the last time I tried). Using latest 12.11 beta11 drivers.

Any tips?

 

Like i said, i had exactly the same problem.
It was coming from my vbios. I flashed with an original dell vbios, then only after i was able to uv as i want via xml method.
And btw, use gpu shark for checking your voltage, as hwinfo or msi kombustor sometimes don't give the right ones.

 

I'm using original bios supplied with the card (it's a Dell card); never flashed any bios. I tried both hwmonitor and hwinfo.

What puzzles me is that I can ov fine with this setup but uv no luck yet.

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LE: Gpu Shark v0.6.7 shows 1v @ max clocks.
Bios version on card is 015.017.000.001.042717

 

now as the catalyst 13.1 is out, will OC add anything to the performance??

am planning on buying this card now.

thanx in advance

 

sure thing, it adds about 20-25% when maxxed out in oc

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Thanks.

This thread is pretty huge, if you can direct me to the newest software+procedure for OC I'd be grateful.

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depends...many of us can't break 900 1400 with any sense of stability...if your a lucky one and get one of the good cards that can push 1000/1500 than yes you can get crazy over clocks.

 

Am getting it from XoticPC, what does that depend on? Mere luck?

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