8600 GT GDDR3 256 MB VS. 9500M GS 512MB ( Challenge to gamers)

Dear Graphic Card Superior Users ^^,

I am currently looking forward to buy the ASUS G1S Laptop, But I am not sure which one of the following will give me the best gaming performance:

1) ASUS G1S-B2:

CONTAINS nVidia GeForce 8600M GT w/ 256MB GDDR3, Turbo Cache 512MB

http://www.excaliberpc.com/Asus_G1S-B2_Notebook/90NLBA613215JCQL450T/partinfo-id-584042.html

2) ASUS G1Sn-B1:

CONTAINS Nvidia Geforce 9500M GS 512M

http://www.excaliberpc.com/Asus_G1Sn-B1_Notebook/90NLCA3133236KQL450T/partinfo-id-585285.html


Give me your Suggestions gamers.

Yours,

TipTip

 

The 8600M GT with DDR3 RAM will perform slightly better than the 9500M with DDR2 RAM...

 

absolutely, the ddr3. Im personally hoping to see a ddr3 version of the 9500m soon.

 

go for the ddr 3 version

 

But does the 9500GS have DDR2? Why would they put a worst GPU in the G1Sn?

 

2 make money

 

And how do you know its DDR2 in the G1Sn?

 

If the 8800M GTX has 512MB GDDR3, then I wouldn't expect a low-mid end card like the 9500M to match that, and since it's similar to the 8600M as everyone knows, then it must be DDR2 like the 512MB DDR2 version of the 8600M.

 

Well the MBP does have 512mb GDDR3 8600GT It won't utilise it, its just a marketing gimmick, but they do it anyway.

 

Ahh I see... Well you said it yourself... (highlighted)..

 

I am just try to say that the G1Sn does have GDDR3 Not trying to say 512mb is better.

 

Well, if it does... all the better! But could you confirm it to be DDR3 for the OP ?

 

With common sense I can

Think about it:

- 9500GS is basically a die-shrink version or 8600GT

- G1S has GDDR3, then why sell the Sn with DDR2 and for a higher price?

- Why would ASUS equip one of their top performing 15.4'' with the same graphics card as some of their ''budget'' range notebooks?

What? So when people finds out its DDR2 and they go and buy cheaper alternatives...making more money that way? lol...

 

Because the rest of the system is better, it has a better processor, more ram, more hdd(although with less rpm) and a blu-ray drive(which makes sense now that the format war is over)

 

4Gb ram on Vista 32 bit? what good is that? 320GB 5400rpm cost about the same (a little more maybe) compare to a 200GB 7200rpm. BR drive and the CPU might well justify the rest of the cost. But the 9500GS is not gonna cost anymore is it? The MBP's prices have even dropped in some countries even with more Vram, faster CPU, larger hdd

 

The Geforce 9500m GS is almost the same as the Geforce 8600m GT, with a few exceptions:


1) It uses a smaller chipset;

2) Because of this die-shrinkment, they could add more memory to the videocard ending up with 512mb GDDR3 againt the 256mb GDDR3/GDDR2 of the 8600m GT.


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Also, the "new" Geforce 9650m GS is just a renamed Geforce 8700m GT made with a smaller chipset.

AND, the Geforce 9650m GT which is about to be released in Q3, will be just a renamed version of the 8800m GTS w/its 64 stream processors (cause this is actually the G92, the same cod name of the new Geforce 9600 GT for desktops).

In other words Nvidia is only renaming its own mobile cards... instead of coming up with something really new.

 

Need more information to make a decision.

I'd think the new GPU would be better. Why make "improved" technology if it doesn't work? Especially with all the intrest that NVIDIA has in their products. It could also be that the new GPU uses less power which would make it a great upgrade in itself for a mobile lap top.

I'd wait till the new G35 chipsets are out before making a decision. This new GPU premature IMO. While the 8600m's G84 GPU has been pushed to it's limits.

 

nice discussion

Thank you for it^^

If I buy the G1S-B2

And Buy the Nvidiea Geforce 8800 GTX

Will it Fit in the Notebook?

 

i'm not sure if g1s is or will be gpu upgradable...

 

No it will not be, please read the stickies.

 

If you want a 8800M GTX notebook, you'd be best off buying a sager (if you can pay more than for a gateway). :\

 

Ok the 8600M GT with DDR3 is a little bit better than the 9500M GS + the price is also much better for what your getting. Tbh spending that much more money for 4G RAM and a slightly better CPU is worthless, you dont need 4G RAM even for vista..3G is plenty. If your looking for some good deals id look on the dell website as they have some nice deals eg M1530 and M1710 ^^

 

Is the 9500M GS in the Asus F8SN-B1 and M50SV-A1 (from XoticPC), both 512MB and GDDR3? If so, doesn't it easily best the 256MB GDDR3 8600M GT?

 

I'm pretty sure the 9500M GS is DDR2 since if you look at the nvidia site for it http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9500M.html it shows the memory clocks as 700Mhz which is the same as a DDR2 8600M GT, in fact all the clocks are exactly the same. Just compare it to http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8600M.html

 

Yeah but for the 8600GT...it didnt say whether it was ddr2 or GDDR3 did it?

 

Is there a 256MB GDDR3 9500M GS, or only a 512MB DDR2?

 

The 700mhz is the gddr3 version, the ddr2 is 400. I don't know why they don't use the big number(1400mhz,800mhz), it would be best for marketing.

 

So the 700mhz 9500m GS is indeed GDDR3?

 

it would make sence since its called "GS" i guess. the 8600m gs is the ddr3 version and the ddr2 version is called GT (atleast the 8600m i have, and that is ddr2).

 

hhmm...no i don't think so...saying GS and GT does not mean that its a GDDR3 or GDDR2.

I maybe wrong but to my knowledge...256MB 8600M GS only came in GDDR2 and while the GT version came in both GDDR2 and GDDR3..!!!

 

Because it's not new technology. From a consumer perspective, it's the exact same thing as the 8600GT.

Yup. The 8600GS is a big downgrade from the GT, not an upgrade.

 

Can you post a link to the "white paper" of the 9500m?

Have you read up on the 9500m architecture?

What GPU does it use?

 

It's an 8600GT, with a die shrink I think. Basically the exact same specs, right down to the clock speed.

 

lol Look at footnote 1

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9500M_techspecs.html

 

LMAO! Lazy...bunch of...

 

Now if copy-pasted info pages from nVidia don't convince you of the identicalness [spellcheck says there's such a word lol] of these two cards, I don't know what will.

 

I wish the 8600GT/9500GS was the absolute lowest end GPU available in ANY system

 

Why would you want something as moderately powerful as these cards become "absolute lowest end GPU"?

 

That link doesn't provide alot of detailed information about 8600m or 9500m flavors.

 

Because it would mean someone who knew nothing about computers could randomly buy one and still get something that had basic gaming ability (etc.)

 

Alright, so the cards are nearly identical... BUT is the DX 10.1 versus DX 10 support anything worthwhile persuing (or speculating that it may be??)

thanks for the opinions

Rick

 

The 9600 GT desktop card use an newer core, codenamed G94, wich is the one that will be used on 9700M GTS/9800M GT/9800M GTS.

The 9650M GT will use the same core as an 9500M GT, the G96(G84 reshrinked).

Only 9800M GTX will use the G92 core, lets hope with 128SPs this time...

 

It doesn't have DX10.1. It's still DX10. It's merely a dieshrink.

 

if u have money dont go for the 10.1 but you go broke chasing technology now the come out with something new every 1-3 months

 

No, Not at all...

I remember when i saw the 9500M the first time. It was in an Asus. The price was much higher than the 8600M. I was amazed how much higher. So, i went to the actual specs page of both and saw the evidence for myself. I actually, first thought it might be a typo by nvidia or a mistake... I made a thread on here i think, or read another's) and realized that it really was exactly the same. Another marketing gimmick...

 

yeah, i have to resist myself from looking at a new PC or upgrade every 3 months. I resist myself to getting a new lappy to every 1-2 years. lol

 

which 8600m are u talking about the
8600m gs or
8600m gt
because the 8600m gt is almost twice as powerful as the 8600m gs

 

Will not really a gimmick, the 9500M GS might not be a drastic rise over the present 8 series, but it does provide some minor improvements over the 8600M GT DDR2. Being a die shrink it does run significantly cooler. Also performance-wise 3dmark06 scores have shown that it scores at average 10%higher than the 8600M GT DDR2. So although it's not a large leap from existing technology available it does provide some improvements for the sake of Nvidia releasing "new" products for a new year. For more information and tests on the 9500M GS check this link:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9500M-GS.8167.0.html

 

The LG R500 came with the GDDR3 version of the 8600M GS, as well as a Samsung machine. The 8600M GS GDDR3 performed about as well as the 8600M GT GDDR2.

 

If you go by 3Dmark, yes. Real world gaming, no.