8600M GS going good?

hi everybody,

i got 8600m gs and i overclocked it to 632/1295/420. before it was 500/1000/400. now i got 10-15 fps boost and also i can play cod4 almost at full graphics.

the card is 87C at load while playing games.

it is 70C at idle.it is still safe but i want to ask that will this overclock and temps effect the life of my gpu?People say that heat is bad for electronics,but i think 87C is fine?isnt it? also i increased the clocks will they decrease the life.

i have a 1650x ati radeon on my desktop at load it reaches up to 120C it is always 120C in gaming.Have been using it for 5 years.nothing happened to my card even 5 years passed and having a high tempertures.

do you beleive that overclocking and 87C of heat decreases the life of gpu in a noticable way?

 

The 8600m GS suffers from the Nvidia soldering issue, so its reliability is suspect to begin with. An 87 degree max temp is fine, but a 70 degree idle isn't healthy for longevity.

 

Agreed. Idling temperature should be ranged from 55-65C.
87C for as Maximal Temperature is not bad but not good either.
Solution:
a.) Undervolt CPU(not GPU)
b.) Undervolt GPU(yea the GPU), or so called Flashing of BIOS.
c.) Cooler
d.) Thermal Paste
e.) Clean up the dust regularly from your laptop(bottom). I use vacuum.
Try OC more on Memory Clock, it boost performance.
But be careful on Memory Clock, it is easiest to spoil. >.<

 

hey,

thanks for information. first of all yes,i will apply termal paste i also use zalman nc2000 also undervolted gpu,laptop is clean.

some questions.

can somebody lead me how to undervolt gpu?please help me.

and

how much can i go with my memory clock?can it increase it up to 450 from 400.

or will it be dangerous?how much can i go with it(memory clock)while not causing damage to my lappy.

thanks if your answer.
up.

 

Overclocking anything is dangerous.

 

jungle,that is the worst answer that i have ever heard of.

do you think the person next to you is stupid however everybody knows that ocing is dangerous but here i ask that how much can i overclock my memory without reaching any danger point? i am asking in which clock will it burn or a damage will caused?

overclocking is yes,dangerous but it is not dangerous if you know what you are doing or not overclocking too much.

 

LOL. Agreed.
OK.
Tell you.
Core Clock have Thermal Sensor and the Temperature Reading shown on HWMonitor or other Monitoring Tools come from that Sensor. Core Clock OCing can boost performance harshly.
Shader Clock need to be 2x of Core Clock naturally or can be say as you don't need to bother it if you're using Nvidia 8-series or below. Because it will be automatically set to 2x of Core Clock. Unless, you're using newer series(9-series and above). Then, it will be 2.5x of the Core Clock and you can adjust it as you like.
Shader Clock didn't boost a lot performance(very little). Basically, for projecting Shadows/Tones.
Memory Clock don't have any Thermal Sensor. So, we don't know how much it heated up. OC it carefully. Memory Clock OCing can boost performance harshly too.

 

yeah i already know memory doesnt have sensors.

and it is the easiest thing to burn.

but how much can people overclock it w/o any problems?

 

Each card is unique. Overclocking is all about testing and retesting to see if a card is stable at certain clocks. So if you're basing your clocks on other people's results, you're doing it wrong.

But like I said, the 8600m already suffers from the soldering issue. Fluctuating temps caused by OCing and performance testing the card will greatly reduce its lifespan.

 

LOL. Yep!

To OP, I would say do 440-475MHz(original 400) OC value is safe. But I am not very sure about it. Since 8400 and 8600 is called overheating GPUs and easily spoil. I have my 9500M GS(evolution of 8600M GT, without the overheat issues) 470Mhz on Memory Clock.

 

dont consider that i am noob. of course every card have different oc pottantials.but i am only observing how much people can overclock their memory.

but isnt overclocking memory seems taking a big risc? i mean you dont know what will happen how heated is it?

very strange for me.

i dont know why 8600 is called overheating i overclocked it's core 123 mhz more and its shader 300 mhz more and it is not overheating.

 

To be honest, overclocking it the slightest, is dangerous in my point of view, if the card was meant to be overclocked higher than it's factorys values, it would be.

There clocked at that value for a reason.

All GPU's are different, there is no boundary to what percentage you overclock to what damage it will cause, you could oc a little bit and then you're GPU could be fried.

You are damaging the GPU by increasing the value above its factory range.

fact.

Trial and error, only way.

 

Because many(really a lot) 8600 or 8400 GPUs got burnt in the history of all time.
Yet, some people are very lucky to have a well-build 8600 or 8400.
So, in general, 8600/8400 are not advise to OC due to this reason. However, there are exceptional of course.

 

I never called you a "noob", though you're clearly showing your lack of understanding in how overclocking works.

You overclock by slowly moving the clocks upwards, while watching for artifacting and temperature changes. Not by setting your clocks to what someone else has set theirs at.

And again, I never said your card was overheating. The 8600m GS suffers from the Nvidia soldering issue. Temperature fluctuations (that are exaggerated by OCing) can shorten the lifespan of the card greatly.

 

If not mistaken, OP's 8600M GS OCed only got 7XC as maximal temperature during gaming.
It considered low. But I am not sure will it kill the GPU with such a low temperature.
In addition, GPU lifespan can be shorten by intense gaming everyday as well.
I would suggest not to play high-end games for more than 8 hours per day.

 

Again, it's not the temperature that's going to kill the card, it's the fluctuation in temperature that destroys the solder. The OP's card has fine temps.

And honestly, if you're gaming for more than 8 hours a day, you have more issues in your life than your laptop dying.

 

What you mean by Flucuation in temperature?

Agreed. Gaming intensively everyday can affect health.

 

By fluctuation, I mean fluctuation.
Fluctuation: variation; an instance of change; the rate or magnitude of change.

 

My 8600 recently burnt out so I decided to upgrade my mboard to the nvidia 8600 512mb

 

Don't choose 8600 or 8400 if your old 1 had burnt.
It is not the problem of 512MB or 1GB or 256MB.
The problem is the 8600/8400 have the faulty solder on it(not all models affected but a lot of it).
I suggest you to upgrade to 9-series Nvidia Geforce instead of 8-series.

 

I do not think those boards will fit my chassis, as far as I know the boards that fit my chassis all have an 8600 on them

 

I think 9500 and 9600 or maybe 9650 will fit your Motherboard.
9500 and 9600 are basically evolution of 8600.
They are smaller size, cooler and uses less electricity as well as higher performance. Forgot to mention, I assume the GPUs I suggest/compare are DDR2.

 

Nothing "fits" the motherboard. All HP dv9000 series laptops have soldered GPUs (just like the majority of laptops), thus the motherboard and GPU are technically one unit.

The best GPU that was available for the dv9000 series is the 8600m GS. There's no other choice available.

 

What a pain for dv9000 series.

But as I know my laptop AS6920G, the GPU can be change.
Some users of AS6920G in this forum had upgraded the GPU of this laptop.
Basically from 9500M GS DDR2 to 9600M GS DDR3/2 and 9600M GT DDR3/2.
So, I think AS6920G isn't "one-unit" with the Motherboard.

 

The 6920G is MXM-II.

 

MXM-II means the GPU slot?
I saw it before on the Acer Forum here. LOL.

 

Wow. Blind leading the blind.

 

I was actually saying that I was changing the entire mboard cause I know that the GPU is soldered to the board making it one unit, so my only option was to move up to a dv9700 board using the 8600M GS 512mb instead of the 256mb that I originally had. I wish I was able to change just the GPU then I would be in heaven!

 

Not sure which model you have, but I ran 600/1500/500, it gave a MASSIVE boost to the framerates in all games, but primarily because of the huge boost to the shader clock, which doesn't increase temps at ALL. It's a DV9650, was getting 72c load, 54 idle at these settings when on a notebook stand/riser, flat on a desk, it was at 84 load, 69 idle. So if yours is similar to this one, it could just be poor airflow when it's sitting flat on something, since mine draws hot air back in from the exhaust unless it's propped up a small bit. Even raising the back by 1cm drastically lowers the temps. You should try it if you haven't already.

I sold this notebook yesterday btw. So I don't actually have it with me anymore.