8600M-GT benchmarked and overclocked on new Zepto 6224W 14"

hey doodz,

i recently got a zepto 6224W engineeringsample for testing sum stuff an benchmarked and overclocked this baby a bit

well, if it comes to overclocking i shouldn't say "a bit" cuz the 8600M-GT chip seems to overclock like a monster....

unfortunately the RAM was still DDR2 (engineering sample with beta bios and stuff) and so the results are a bit lower than they would be with the GDDR3 and full data rate...

let the pictures speak for themselves....

testrig:

C2D 2.2GHz
2 x 1024 Kingston PC6400 (DDR800)
160GB Samsung Hybrid-HD
Vista Ultimate
Geforce 8600M-GT 512 dedicated

@ stock 475/400 (as is said, its DDR2 due to sample)



then i started overclocking cuz i wanted to know how far the GPU could be pushed (i knew, that the ram wouldn't offer much potential):

@ 702/1404/450:



unfortunately i only used ntune for the overclocking as i did not find any other 100% WORKING progs to do the bench (if you know good progs for OCing the new cards under vista let me know plx). dunno why, but there were no real options between 702 (the limit i clocked to) and 729 (in which 3DM06 showed first errors). so the max is somewhere between it.

anyway its about 50% oc on the core which i personally think is quite remarkable.
be aware that the RAM was limiting the benchmark. i think something about 4.2k-4.4k unclocked running @ nvidia specs should be the normal score of a 8600M-GT. when it comes to overclocking i think the 5k should be broken. only with overclocking it got like 1/3 (700 points) of the total 3DM06 score of the 7600go (2100 in total). quite amazing.

will make a full user2user review on the 6224W these days. and link it. unfortunately i am no english-native so i have to translate the whole review once the german review is up

for those interested on what book this all is about check www.zepto.com
anyway its the worlds first santa rosa 14" laptop owning this gfx monster and as far as i know the worlds first laptop to be announced with 8600M-GT AND 512MB dedicated

will keep you updated.

€dit:

aquamark unclocked = 87.153
aquamark @ 702/1404/450 = 97.641

 

thanks, rep points for you!

 

Excellent! That's quite an impressive score for a 14.1in notebook. Was there any problem with overheating on stock speeds?

 

no, no problem with overheating. beside the fact that you shouldn't have gaming books on you lap anyways while gaming or benching. i mean if you do not need sum boiled eggz

ventilation seems to work pretty good in this book. core cools damn fast down as i have seen. done sum tests going from ingame to desktop and stuff to check how long it takes till the core goes down to "hot but near normal" temps.

max temp on core non-oc was like 80°C (no idea how much this would be in °F). seems to be pretty normal for this chip.

while hardcore OCing the chip it went up to 89°C (check rivatuner pic). as far as i remember the max i have seen was like 91°C in the graph when i ran other benchmarks.

 

So about the same as a Go 7900GS at stock. Pretty decent. How does it perform in actual gaming? The desktop 8600 series showed excellent 3DMark scores compared to the previous generation, but that didn't translate very well into real world performance. It would be interesting to see if that is the case here.

It's a bit off topic, but those specs say a 160GB hybrid HDD. Could you provide a bit more information about that? How much flash memory does it have and does it make the system feel more responsive, improve load times, etc?

 

That just made my day.

I was wondering, if you run the real world games at the same resolution as the 3DMark tests, shouldn't it perform similarly? As well, on a 14.1 or 15.4in pannel... what sort of resolution would be acceptable to run a game at? By that I mean, any further increase of resolution would be unnoticeable (or the resolution doesn't produce clearly visible pixelation)
As for the hybrid HDD, I think it's a 1GB one, from the other 160GB hybrid HDDs I've seen.


*Praying that Asus will make something like this so I can buy it on the west side of the water ...*

 

not sure about the HD, thinks its 160GB + 256mb flash...

i personally do not really notice any remarkable differences or accelerations compared to my old xp system without any flashmem. well ok, system shuts down pretty fast. but not sure if its because of whatever or because of the flashmem.

i personally think all this robson stuff and hybrid thingys are a bit overestimated when it comes to real life performance.


@ itcommander_data:

unfortunately i currently only own a few games for benchmarking:

prey, stalker and world of warcraft (lol) so if you have any links for timedemos or such stuff, plz post and i'll bench them if that would be helpful.

@ min2209: not sure but i think zepto ships to USA and worldwide in general. pardon, i am only a kraut

 

QFT. Benchmarks don't mean nothing unless the real world performance is there to back it up. Hope there will be some real world benchmarks soon.

This whole time, and even more so now, I have been pondering as to why on earth would Nvidia cripple this card with only a 128-bit memory bus.

In any case, many thanks to the OP for the post. This has convinced me to definitely wait for the 8700/8800 cards to come out, because I plan on getting a laptop within the next year and it needs to be able to get to at least 5000 points on 3DMark06 without breaking a sweat.

 

Thanks for making this post, and yes that is an incredible overclock. Good job.

Try FEAR Combat - it's free to download + play, great game:
http://www.joinfear.com/main
It is very demanding so this should give the 8600M-GT a workout.

 

great, thx for the fear link

downloading it atm, should be ready soon but gotta take sum rest now. its 4.42AM here and i gotta get sum rest now

one last question so that i can set a fear benchmark up: is there an option for benchmarking ingame like using a console command (and how would i bring he console up) or timedemos as separate downloads?

c u in a couple of h

 

Try Fraps.

http://www.fraps.com/download.php

 

Thanks for the results. Those are some great results. Nice job with the OC too!

 

There's Test settings button in performance options menu of the game. After the test it shows min, avg and max fps. Of course, first set everything to max and resolution to native. Though, the game is usually played Soft shadows turned Off since it's effect sucks and just eats fps.

 

thanks for the Benchmarks
intresting to see that the 8600GT can acheive such good scores at demanding benchmarks
i would love to see how fat the 8800M and the 8900M ((if it ever comes out)) goes
cheers
keep up th good work

 

Very nice! I was hoping for the 8600 series to be around the 7900GS. At least the GT does that

Just wondering... Are you allowed to take a peak under the hood?

 

Those are seriously high temps!! I cant imagine 80C being normal - that must be very very noticeable!

Hows the screen btw? 1440x900 on 14.1" matte right?

 

OC does seems to have made the system hot
OC though increases performance does manke the system run ot
and is a fact known by all
i didnt notice the Temps too till radditz mentioned it in the above post
i reckon that the highest temp limit of the GPU is 100C if im not mistaken and the temperatures yo reported is quite close to that limit
you could use an notebook cooler just to keep a check on those temperatures and recheck them using another third party software just to be sure
but if all runs well ts ok
these are just precautionary measures just to make sure the laptop doesnt end up melting or rn into seriosu problems
cheers

 

I take it Zepto have solved the chronic overheating issues of the old models?

 

80C on the GPU, not cpu.... thats quite a difference

and that after playing games for several hours

i think the G83 chips are licensed for temps up to 110°C or something like that, beside that i do not really thing its good for a chip to run an 110°C...

temps are noticeable when using on your lap, RAM slots seem to be heating up a lot, so i recommend a notebookcooler when playing with it on your lap. the handballpositions get warm as well but not really hot. so no problem with burned handballs (and to be honest: name at least one gaming laptop where the handballthings do not get warm when playing for hours).

the chronic overheating issue was already solved in the former models at the beginning of this year and as far as i have tested i cannot see any overheating prob even though this is only an engineering sample. anyways no sign of melting anything up. been running some stresstests for hours and did not see the book slow down of shut down due to thermal issues.

the screen is glare type (engineering sample as i already mentioned). final books will have non glare or better glares with "unmirrored" screens (dunno the english name for a glossy display in which the glossy effect is taken away by using e.g. another layer on the screen that doesn't let it appear mirrorlike). so according to zepto the final revisions will be kinda matte style.

 

Thats a massive overclock, but the GPU does get pretty hot overall.

Putting any notebook on your lap when gaming is a bad idea.....

 

Any updates skynetwork?

Have you tried the Lost Planet demo, installed the free F.E.A.R multiplayer, or tried any other games?

 

game benchmarks?

 

I am a fan of this thread. I would love to see an update and I believe the going name for that type of screen is Transflective.

 

From the screens, it seems you ran 3Dmark 06 as 1024x768. The standard is 1280x1024 or the closest available resolution. Like on my 1440x900 screen, it's 1280x800. Could you run the tests at the standard resolution please, so we can see a more comparable score?

 

I thought the Santa Rosa chipset did not support DDR2 800 RAM.

 

It doesn't. PC6400 automatically downclocks to PC5300 (DDR2-667).

 

Ok thanks, that saves me some money.

 

http://www.mobility-inside.de/readarticle.php?article_id=2&rowstart=0

Maybe this is the full version of the OP's benchmarking...? I don't know, but definitely the most comprehensive (pre)-review I've seen to-date. Use Babelfish if you can't read German.

Petrov.

 

I have one of these machines on order atm,

Although i still have another 2 weeks wait for it, I cant wait to get playing games on it, and considering my last laptop was some bespoke "medion" machine complete with celeron and gma gfx in it, im hoping to be blown away.

if there arnt allready games benchmarks up by the time i get mine, ill do a few for BF2 - EvE online - WoW and command and conquer 3

 

Where did you buy it? How much are they??

 

Better use 1440*900 or 1280*1024 as standard resolutions. Because the difference is only 1 percent between both resolutions

Even with overclocking i think the score of the 8600GT is very low

 

Great post! Thanks a ton for these benchmarks...like stated previously some real world benches would be supurb.

Looking forward for new results...

 

I'll be getting an Asus G1S with an 8600M GT and 256MB of DDR3 on Friday. Will try to post details although others may beat me to the punch

 

Interesting...

 

www.zepto.com

Petrov.

 

Thats a but unfair. Remember the GT is a mainstream card and considering this beats the best mainstream card available today (the7700) its a big improvement. I think the score in 3DM06 is almost doubled. If thats not something to be happy about without increasing the size of the laptop, then what is?

 

It is hard to compare all thes 3dMark scroes... The Zepto ones are all run at 1024x768. That is 4500 3dMarks06 when over clocked. The Asus G1 review on this site lists 2,389 3DMarks but doesnt say what resolution it was run at.

 

The G1 was 3Dmarked at 1280x1024 (vertical resolution of the screen is above 1024 pixels). The A8Js, for instance, was 3Dmarked at 1280x800 (vertical resolution of the screen is below 1024 pixels).

 

Anybody know how much the go7700 gets at a resolution of 1024x768? Can someone with a G1 or A8Js please test this so we atleast have one value to compare....

 

Can't wait!

If you want, try out the new Colin McRae DiRT demo

 

I just 3Dmarked at 1024x768 with the 165.01 drivers on vista ultimate x86. I have aproximately 60 processes running. I got - wait for it - 2907 3dmarks. WHICH SUCKS. I think. Will try again OC'd to see how much that affects it.

 

Ok, 3Dmarked @ 1024x768, OC'd (c:500/m:460) gives you 3267 3Dmarks. 3dmark @ everything default (1280x854, c:450/m:400), you get 2552 3Dmarks. From this you can deduce that vista with my present drivers gives you 100-ish points less than the stock ones (86.04) on XP.

 

I just rememberd that the Zepto quick review had 1280x800 benchmarks. So the 8600M GT scores 3618 at 1280x800. About 50% or 1300 points faster compared to the go7700 from the A8Js review. Ofcourse the Zepto had 2GB of ram and a 2.2ghz CPU.

 

Who is the manufacturer of this laptop? I ask b/c Zepto doesn't seem to sell in the US and this is the PERFECT form factor for this card! I wish the new a8## would come with this. Also, is the production version getting gddr2 or 3?

 

I believe Compal is the manufacturer. The thing is, the keyboard will bbe a UK-Version, thus some of the keys are in odd location. Example:

US UK
== ==
@ "
~ ¬

I also don't know what's the warranty for this laptop if it's purchased by someone in the US

 

Thanks so much, lanwarrior! Hope a US company picks up this hardware. Looks great!

 

To my knowledge, Zepto is building up sites for USA, Canada and some other countries which are NOT located in Europe, so you can expect to be able to get their laptops soon enough (though can't tell for shure about the schedule) outside of Europe.

 

When you said DDR2, you were talking about the graphics card right?

 

i use a MBP and get this:

normal clock (470/635):
==============
1024x768_____________4695
1024x768 4xAA 1xAF____3686
1024x768 4xAA 8xAF____3510
1280x800_____________4224
1280x800 4xAA AF______3206


overclocked to 560/635:
================
1024x768____________5212________tmax(core)=83°C


I'll do more tests on that tomorrow