8700M GT GDDR2 vs 8600M GT GDDR3 ??? help !!!

i'm going to buy a laptop for playing games, especially DX10 game,
there are 2 laptops suitable for my budget that i'm considering:

Raptor 730V _ FUSION from www.xtremenotebooks.com
price: 1769 USD
spec:

8700m gt 512m gddr2
17" WXGA (1440 x 900) WUXGA Available - Super Wide Angle Glass View LCD
Intel® T7100 (1.8GHz x 2) Core™2 Duo 4MB Cache 800MHz FSB
512MB DDR2 667MHz Micron RAM 1 DIMM (up to 4 GIG!)
60GB SATA 150/HDD 5400 RPM (250GB SATA available!)
8X24X10X24 DVD/CDRW Combo Drive (8x DVDRW available)

Asus G1S - A1
price: $1,767

spec:
8600m gt 256m gddr3 (512m with turbo-cache)
Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 2.2GHz, 4MB L2, 2GB DDR2, 160GB HDD, Super-Multi DVD±RW DL w/ Light Scribe, 15" WSXGA+ Color LCD, Modem, Gigabit NIC, WLAN 802.11 a/g/n, Bluetooth, Windows Vista Home Premium

i myself think that Raptor 730V is better, but the 8700m gt only use gddr2 ram, while the g1s a1 has gddr3. Besides, the GS1 also has a more powerful CPU than Raptor 730V. How does this affect the performance ?
Could anybody give me some advices or explanations about this, the more detail the better.
thanks
sorry 4 my english

 

Go with the Asus G1S - A1. For about the same price ur getting a faster processor and more RAM. I think that the Asus with those specs will run better than the Raptor with it's specs. Only better thing that the Raptor has is the graphics card. I guess the 8700 will let u play games on high settings whereas the 8u600 will let u play on medium, maybe high.

Also you can check out the Sager NP2090. For about $1550 you can get 2.2GHz core2duo, 2GB RAM, 512MB geforce 8600. This is what I ordered, only problem is that lots of people are ordering it and it's been taking a while to fulfill the orders.

 

You may want to check out www.xoticpc.com. Same laptop (different name). It's just a Sager2090. Better prices. More options (your choice of video card). 3Yr Warranty. Here is a link to their "Raptor"

http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2023

 

The Xtreme will game better than the Asus, probably by about 20-30%. The extra CPU power won't help that much except in some RTS games, as in general games don't rely heavily on the processor.

 

The Raptor is only 512MB of RAM. Go with the Sager NP2090 for about $200 cheaper

 

??? What are you talking about? Amount of VRAM has little or nothing to do with the power of the GPU. In this case the 8700m in the raptor (M570RU) is significantly better than the 8600m in the Sager. The difference between the raptor and the Asus g1s isn't huge, but the Sager has a crippled 8600m.

 

I think what's confusing the issue a bit is the multiple discussions on the 8600M GT versions around, with different amounts and speeds of memory. The version of the 8600M GT in the Dell laptops (like the 1720, I think) has DDR2 video RAM, which is a lot slower than the DDR3 of the Asus G1S card. This makes a difference, where you are comparing two laptops with the same base card, but different speeds of video RAM. The faster RAM in the G1S comes out on top by a small but significant amount (maybe as much as 10%, at a guess?).

Here though you are comparing two cards that are different from the start. The 8700M GT is the faster, higher-end card due to having more processors for rendering the graphics than the 8600M GT - that is the most important difference-maker between the two. The fact that the video RAM of the 8700M GT is DDR2 does NOT put the 8600M GT (with DDR3) above it in performance. Think of the RAM speed as a secondary concern to rank cards which are otherwise the same, but the most important things are (e.g.) the processor speed of the card and the number of transistors/graphics processor units.

If you have an option between two laptops that BOTH have an 8700M GT, only that one has DDR3 memory and the other DDR2 memory, then the DDR3 one should be faster.

 

I guess 'HandBanana' just meant the poor amount of RAM, not the VRAM;

512MB DDR2 667MHz Micron RAM 1 DIMM (up to 4 GIG!)

1 DIMM 512 MB RAM isn't much imho. Actually, it's quite poor for a new notebook.
I would certainly go for at least 1 GB. 2GB prefferably.
Otherwise, if you are planning on using Vista as an OS you will only be able to play, let's say, Frogger or Pacman.
Nice games but a 8700m is a little overkill in comparison.
Also, I would go for a faster HDD; 7200 rpm instead of 5400 rpm.
My 2 cents.

 

uhm, due to your responses, i think the Raptor 730V is better for gaming,
maybe i should invest more to get more rams n cpu power, or wait a few months for price dropping.
thank you very much, guyz

 

The 8700m GT is just an overclocked 8600m GT. There's no other differences than that. You obviously aren't where it's at.

 

hahaha, its a lil' hard to know where 2 spend my money at now ^_^

 

there are NO ddr2 8700gt's, so that source is lying, it is deff the gddr3 one which is the only version

 

Uncool!

Well, OK, maybe the cold hard numbers beg to differ with me. But the fact that you have to overclock an 8600M GT to reach the levels of an as-supplied 8700M GT tells you that without such tweaking the 8700M GT is better (at least from the perspective you don't have to do said overclocking and you don't void your warranty doing so). Besides, from what benchmarks I have seen I am not yet convinced anyone has oc'ed an 8600M GT to the level of an 8700M GT yet.

 

You're paying more for less. That doesn't make sense mate.

 

What are you talking about? The prices are relatively equal, (though the Clevo will be slightly more once he upgrades the RAM), and the Clevo is a more powerful gaming machine.

 

Just get this computer: http://www.xoticpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=2023 (what springbok recommended). Simple.

 

You don't void your warranty overclocking. Suppliers don't know/care if you have or haven't.

 

I agree, all of the 8700M GT cards I have seen in systems have been GDDR3. I find it hard to believe that there is DDR2 versions of the 8700 out there.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8700m.html

 

Ok, to set things straight:
-The 8700M-GT is better than the 8600M-GT regardless of what RAM either uses by a significant margin.

You're not doing a fair comparison here between these notebooks. The Clevo is a 17" and the Asus is a 15.4". I was not impressed with the Asus G1S when I saw it at Best Buy. On the other hand I have used many Clevos and the M570RU aka the Xtreme is getting nothing but praise. It is the best single-GPU 17" gaming notebook on the market in my opinion.

 

i agree, they are not in the same class, for what you get for the G1 it is much better to spend a little bit more to future proof your purchase and get a much better praised laptop.

 

Honestly, people keep saying this, but despite it the 8700GT is outperforms the 8600GTs by a solid margin...

Compare stock to stock and OC to OC. The 8700GT performs a great deal better than any listing I have had for 8600GTs.

Nevermind that the 8700 is a massively good overclocker...

No 8600 result comes anywhere near the 5194 1280x1024 3dmark06 result achieved with stock drivers and the 775/938 68C overclock achieved pretty much out of the box... (after de-bloating, however)

The previous 8600GT and Oblivion comparison doesn't measure up to the 8700 being set to 1400x900 and everything on (including HDR) at 31+fps outside.


No 8600 I have seen (not even the GDDR3 models) can come anywhere near my results. (please post if you have, but don't forget to compare apples to apples at the same resolution)

Note the physical stats for the 8600 and 8700 are similar... but the 8700 lists a dual-layer 128-bit memory interface that the 8600 does not have in addition to the obviously higher clocked components. I am not sure this really is anything more than "marketing enhanced" stats, but frankly the performance indicates that the 8700GT is at the very least a "heavily overclocked" version of the 8600...

 

@ kernal panic

thank you for saying what i wanted to say, the fact you can overclock a 8700gt rediculously gives away that they are not built on the same arcitecture. Dual rank 128 bit is much better, it would look to me as if it "almost" performs on par with 256 bit, but no one has tested any games on a machine with the res of 1920x1200