8800 GTX and X9000

Thought about getting a used clevo with 8800 GTX and a X9000 clockable to 3,4 GHz and 4 GB ram. How much better will this setup be compared to the setup i got now (see sig)

 

It would kick the snot out of both machines combined by a couple hundred %.

 

Its like comparing Ferrari and a Honda.

 

Not really.. it's like comparing an F430 and a Skyline.

 

Satyrion you know that X9000 is overclockable to 4GHz There is XPS M1730 users who has their X9000 clocked to 4GHz, that is one hell of a overclock

 

The GPU would reach the 10k in 3dmark06, and a vantage of P5000 range or so.

It will basically give you more frames, especially at higher resolution where the 4650 struggles.

It won't be over a 100% increase, but still a near 100% increase on average.

 

Wait, did you mean 8800 M GTX? Big, big difference then the 8800 GTX...

 

Clevo only makes notebooks, so yeah, he prolly meant that.

 

It would be a nice upgrade and thanks to throttlestop you can OC the CPU past 3.4 GHz if you have enough power and good cooling.
My X9000 @ 3.6 GHz scored ahead of the mobile core i7s and i5s in coremarks dual core test.
http://cpubenchmark.info/worldrank.aspx?m=Dual-Cores&rev=1.10A

 

I agree with thinkpad knows best.

The performance increase might not be worth it. 8800M GTX is relatively old tech now, and the HD4650 with DDR3 is no slouch. It's newer and much more power efficient. The X9000 is also outdated. Any of the newer mobile i5 chips will destroy it. If you want to see a big boost in gaming performance, I recommend waiting for a GTX460M-equipped laptop with i5/i7.

 

thats not like anything i can afford. I am asking about this machine cuz i can get it very cheap, and it looks like its a good upgrade from my current laptop.

The overclocking results of the CPU seems awesome

 

If its that cheap, and your daily tasks include CPU intensive stuff, go for it. If not, wait.

 

Means absolutely nothing as top benchmark scores are meaningless when making a decision to buy a CPU. Heck the fastest benchmarks are still Celerons...

 

They are desktop CPU's though. I would say that it shows that the X9000 is still a very strong dual core CPU.

 

No it doesn't. It just means whoever overclocked it, put his laptop in the freezer and went for the highest benchmark he could. Overclock benchmarkers do use mobile CPUs because they tend to stay cooler than their desktop counterpart.

As more and more applications take advantage of multi-threading, a lower clocked i7 will be so much more useful with 8 thread, hyperthreading.

 

LOL if you are talking about me as I have the #12 spot on that list I don't even use a cooler...

 

Then that list of CPUs for benchmarking is pathetic. Either way, my point that benchmarks for CPU such as this are not a good indicator of what is better. It's all about what you intend to do with your laptop.

Try this list: http://hwbot.org/

 

Well I intend to game with My laptop not sure what the OP has planned. Most games still only use two cores and if the X9000 can beat the i5s and i7s in almost every Dual core CPU benchmark I have tried then I would say it is going to be a very nice upgrade over the OP's current systems. The 8800m GTX is no sluch either. I am not saying a X9000/8800m GTX is going to be better than todays systems but for the OP it will be nice as long as he gets a good deal on it.

 

I agree Erik, I bought an X9000 from ebay today, finally! since this is the highest upgrade for my XPS M1730 CPU wise. But I intend to have it at 3.8 - 4Ghz on a daily basis, at that speed my 8800m GTX SLI will definitely not bottleneck.

 

Nice! I want to purchase a M1730 one day for my X9000 . After I replace my 6860FX with something new I want to get a used M1730 with 8800Ms or 9800Ms and put my X9000 in it. That was my dream laptop when I first started getting into this stuff.

 

Nice to hear Erik, yes the XPS M1730 with an X9000 and 9800m GTX SLI is no slouch, especially the X9000 at 3.6- 4 GHZ overclock

 

Magnus do u need to change the volt to clock it that high?

How do u get it that high?

 

Throttlestop lets you adjust the voltage and if you have an Extreme CPU you can adjust the Multiplier. You will need to increase the voltage to get those speeds.

 

did u do that with ur CPU?

 

Yes. Gateway has a 3.0GHz limit and Thanks to throttlestop I can push my CPU to 3.6 GHz at 1.3375v

 

I would be slightly hesitant at buying an Nvidia 8 series card. You kow they failed a lot more than normal. But Clevo's have good cooling solutions, so it may not be a problem with the laptop your looking at.

 

The G84 and G86 core were the cards that had problems. The 8800m uses the G92 core and should not have problems like the 8400m/8600m.

 

Cool, I never knew that

 

The entire nvidia 8xxx series is crap and should not be bought for as much hassel as it brought everyone who did. I would rather have a p4 based notebook then get anything to do with the nvidia 8xxx series, cause at leaast youd have a notebook that would work. Everyone who bought a xps m1730 all got refunds. I dont think there is one person that has ever told me that there laptop they got with the xps 1730 and the nvidia 8xxx cards ever stood the test of time. They all burned out. Dosnt matter how hot they get, its just the cards are bad, its that simple. Dont buy any nvidia 8xxx cards even if its the best deal. my 2 cents.

 

ur 2 cents really fails, thats my 2 cents

 

You speak the truth, just look how many people bake their 8800m.

Nobody will bake a perfectly working GPU:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...our-dead-graphics-card-your-alienware-12.html

They do fail, just search on google. Even the desktop versions failed. Sure the 8800m GPUs might fail less than the 8600m/8400m, but they still fail more than you would think.

Just a friendly warning to Satyrion, the guy selling the notebook with the 8800m might have baked it, so if you get 1 or 2 months on that GPU before it's dead, don't say nobody warned you.

By the way, if you get it, change the thermal paste and clean out the dust on day 1. Keep it cool.

I've seen more than one refurb asus notebook with a 260m for around $700, that would be my choice over any 8800m.

Last thing, I'm not trying to scare you off, I know how it is, you don't want to spend $5k on a notebook but you still want to be able to game, so go for it if you want. You could try selling the 8800m and buy an ati 3870/4850 to make sure it wont die.

 

wrong wrong wrong, my XPS M1730 still stand it´s time and I bought it when they released the 8800m GTX SLI GPU´s for it. They are not crap at all. Sure there is lots of people who has got replacement, though I doubt every single one has used their notebook for extensive gaming. More like, hey I can get a new laptop, let´s stress the hell out of the 8800m GTX SLI so I can get a M17x instead.

 

From my friends and ppl i have seen and heard of i feel the 8800 GTX will give me a good experience. I live in Norway so electronics are like twice as expensive here as in most other country's, so i cant afford and 260GTX. From my budget i can either get a new laptop with a 330GT and a low end dual core CPU or a 8800 GTX and a X9000 clockable to 4Ghz. Or i can keep my old 4650

If the 8800GTX would die on me i think i would be able to get a 9800GTX?

 

Seems like people were also baking the 9 series card in there also. The person I bought my X9000 from pulled it from a M1730 with 9800m gt sli that died and was replaced with a m17x. Any card can fail if it is not taken care of properly.

Yeah my 8800m is still going strong after 2 years of being overclocked.

 

My setup is still solid and I never had any issue with my 8800m SLI; I agree if you take care of your equipment your components will live longer; this is not valid for the defective 8xxx series gpu (but NOT all of them were such) from nvidia though;

 

From what I can tell, the difference between the 9800m series and the 8800m series is just the name, no die shrink, nothing. So I would expect the 9800m series to fail also.

People have flashed their 8800m GTX with a 9800m GT vbios without any problems.

I hope the OP and his freinds arn't getting the 8800 GTX confused with an 8800m GTX, because the 8800 GTX is a desktop card with better performance than the mobile 8800m.

The 4650 is 55nm (with DX10.1) and the 8800m GTX is 65nm (DX10). Sure the 8800m performs better, but it's not worth upgrading to an 8800m GTX from a 4650 IMO.

 

Satyrion you won´t be dissappointed, that new laptop you are planning to get will crush your current laptop. I mean a Turion CPU? compared to an X9000, not to talk about the 4650 which is nowhere in the same league as the 8800m GTX.

 

I think so too Magnus

Moral Hazard this is a laptop forum and am buying a laptop so no, am not thinking about the desktop version, thanks for ur concern.

Could you please tell me why u think the upgrade is not worth it? As long as its faster i dont understand why its not worth it. I mean how often do we use DX 10.1? And what the big deal og the nm stuff? Less heat but heat does not matter at all as long as it does not hit over like 100 degrees. I dont see any real good reason not to get the upgrade...

Anyway i have already made up my mind to get it so ur answer is kinda irrelevant, but am still curious.

 

It's a huge performance upgrade. I can't see how it isn't worth it, when it will essentially double his framerate.

 

It depends on how much you are getting it for, but if it's really cheap though, then sure, it will be a huge performance upgrade.

 

Going from a 9600m to a 3700m didn't double the framerate of any game I have, but I guess I can see the point of the upgrade when he wants to play a modded version of stalker.

The reason I said it's not worth the upgrade is because you're bound to run into problems with a used 8800m. If it was a new notebook with an 8800m, at least you could get a 3 year warranty and forget about problems. But when you're talking used, I wouldn't get one.

But hey, at least it's mxm so if it dies, you can spend $200 and get it back up and running.

About the the X9000, I hope it doesn't add a lot to the price you're paying for that notebook, because 4ghz is great for your sig, but in a lot of games it wont help that much.

Hell I ran a crysis bench with my 3700m and my sp9400 at 3.3ghz vs 2.4ghz, didn't even get me 1 more frame (though that might be because I have a 1280x800 screen, at higher res you will probably use the CPU more).

What is the price (if you don't mind me asking)?

 

the price is 6000 NOK for a new G73 Asus with 5870 i need to pay around 15.000 NOK which i cant afford. my budget is actually just 6000 NOK.

 

Yea, I think that's not a bad price, which clevo model?

 

M570 i think its called

 

I'm pretty sure it's got some nice cooling, dual fan setup, copper heatsinks, that's pretty good.

 

Yeah also they guy i buy it from are going to put artic silver on the CPU and the GPU plus, clean all dust in fans etc. He also only used the laptop with external mouse, keyboard and screen so its just like new

 

i know it's off topic of the thread but i don't get this...

why buy a laptop and use it solely like a desktop, when you could get a desktop for cheaper with better performance?

anyway i hope you enjoy ur purchase

 

I also mostly use my laptop as a desktop, because i like a bigger screen and a cold keyboard. If i am however going somewhere i like to bring my laptop, because i also use it for work. If i had only a desktop, i could not bring it and work on the plane etc.

 

Meh a friend of mine has the M1730 with SLi 8800M GTX for almost 3 years now and it's still going strong ._. Guess the failings happens to some people just that you see more complaints around than people mentioning how their rig lasts

 

but my laptop is a cheapo one with a half decent CPU which i can do work on etc., and i have a decent desktop, which together cost less than something like a G73 by a long way