8800M GTX will be MXM-II

Tomorrow will come soon enough, after the launch everyone will know the exact specifications of the new card.

 

i thought the mxmIII was compatible with all the previous mxm's like I and II. so if 8800 is type II then the type III should be able to handle it...

 

Compatible in theory, yeah. But then there are voltages and wattage and yadda yadda to consider.

 

the 8800 is, i think, said to be more power efficient than 8700m so the wattage should be around less than 35W then.

 

That may be the case, but the "yadda yadda" was meant to imply that you can never be 100% sure until you open your system up and shove the card in there.

 

Wow the go 8800GTX only uses 35 watts of power!!!

My Quadro FX2500M sucks 65 watts. thats nearly double the power.

Does anyone know what MXM socket the D900K chassis uses?

My voodoo is based on the D900K, and I really thought it had MXM IV.

Does anyone know if the go 8800GTX will work with the D900K chassis?

K-TRON

 

The 8700m GT consumes 29 watts on the 35watt MAX of MXM III, the 8800m GTX consumes the full 35 watts of MXM III . Still speculation...

K-TRON, your talking about a DESKTOP card, the mobile version consumes ALOT less..

 

It isn't a consumption issue, it is TDP, the temperature (granted physics would dictate that the thing couldn't give off more heat than the electrical energy you put in)

as for the III slot working with a II card, it has to becuase a III slot has to support cards with more power and TDP requirements

and guys cool down about whether it is going to be II or not, don't give yourselves an aneurysm or anything, just wait and see, we have gotten info that could go either way

 

nVidia states on their website that the mobile Quadro FX2500M consumes 60 watts.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_11761.html

AT the bottom of the page it has a chart of the power consumption of the cards.

I thought it took 65 watts, but apparently it takes 60 watts of power, which is still significantly higher than the new go 8800GTX cards.

Hopefully in a few years there is something like a mobile Quadro FX5600 1.5gb gpu which I can upgrade my Voodoo to. What I am really interested in, is a higher powered quadro, as I do cad rendering and such, which you need quadro all wheel drive for.

K-TRON

 

As I posted in another thread KTRON, I'm fairly certain you don't have an MXM notebook, sorry. To be sure though, you could open it up and take some pictures of the GPU.

 

the d900k, like the d900t has a modular gpu bay and is not mxm-based so it's not possible to fit the 8800 in there. the highest card you can get is the 7950gtx in the modular form to fit the laptop.

 

Ok, here are the pictures of my Quadro. If its modular and not MXM, no big deal, I still have a kick ass gpu.







K-TRON

 

I thought it was(and still is) confirmed as MXM3

 

Well I may have missed definite confirmation, however I belive AW said it would be II (but they may not actually know)

Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow

 

The suspense is killing me. Hope to have this card in my IFL90 in a couple months.

Does PNB do video card upgrades? I do not wish to attempt it myself...

 

I'd almost guarantee it's not gonna happen for the IFL90.;

 

So will mu Clevo M570RU be able to support the new 8800GTX card??? It is MXM IV - user uggradeable.... ??

 

Nope sorry, MXM IV is close but not close enough, Clevo just called their interchangeable graphics that sorta looked like MXM MXM but it really isn't within the standard.

 

Dude , what are you talking about? The 5791 uses the 7950GTX, which is MXM 3, and eats 45 W.
Now please explain in plain physics how in the world 45 W is less than 35W ? It is MXM IV, I've emailed Sager TechSupport about this a long time ago.
The GPU is user upgradeable, unless the size of the 8800M GTX wll be weird,which it should not, since it will fit into a 15.4` laptop, the 5791,as well as the 9261 will have it as an option from next year.

NVIDIA provided us with some images of the MXM (Mobile PCI Express Module) boards for the 8800M GTS/GTX. While they did not officially confirm our suspicions, it appears that the GTS variant uses the same basic chip as the GTX, only with 32 of the SPs disabled - perhaps in order to improve yields. Modules will be available for MXM3 and MXM4 (but not MXM1). taken from http://anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3155&p=3

 

BUT WAHT ABOUT TEH EM EX EM TU, it says NOT XMX1 BUT DONES"T SAY ANY THING ABOUT MXX2!!!!!!!!!!!111!!11!!1one1oneone

 

I wish I knew chinese,dude..
Anywho, it does not say anything about MXM2,true, but it says it is MXM3 and 4 ...I DOUBT 2 woulf fit into the same thermal and power requirements...

 

I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents here, I think the G92 refresh has made the GPU alot more flexible then people are giving them credit for. I think we're going to see the 8800M in all varieties just for the plain and simple fact that companies want to get them out there on which ever pre-existing modules manufactures have out there. Alienware probably made, if it truly is MXM II, because MXM II is a more universal standard and would allow alot more of there current notebooks to upgrade as well as alot of the Dells. What interests me is if it is MXM II and there is an 8700M as an option the G92 refresh was very effective.

 

Will the 8800m GTX fit into my machine? Don't know wether it is even MXM, but Dell DID say something about an upgrade path. Don't need Dell to set in in for me, just wan't it to be able to work on my system.

 

Hey guys, I have a Dell XPS M1710 with a 7900GTX 512mb. What type of MXM is this and am I likely to be able to fit one of the 8800's in it?

When I bought it last year the Dell guys thought it would be ok but couldn't guarantee obviously. Cheers.

 

The 8800m GTS consumes 37 watts, so it's MXM IV, the 8800m GTX consumes 45 watts, so it's MXM IV also. only MXM IV supports that many watts, it must be that. Alienware is most likely using thier own version of MXM again, so the 15"er from them can not be taken into account.

 

the 8800m GTX consumes 35W and is built on either mxmII or mxmIII. Alienware has said it is mxmII which seems to be right because 15in notebooks have only mxmII support right now. Also, mxmIII is compatible with mxmII, so people with mxmIII should not have a problem upgrading. mxmIV is a specialty type so right now there has not been any information whether or not 8800m will be of this type even though some manufactures might decide to make it, like sager.

 

HEY! the mxm II standard just supports a -30watts gpu. IT'S NOT TYPE II. and alienware does not use mxm it uses a proprietary connection SIMILAR to mxm. It's NOT mxm. It will not be similar to mxm type II. It will be MXM III and MXM HE (IV doesn't exist) for GTX version.
There were several notebooks in the past with 15" and MXM III slot like the asus z81sp, no big deal on a 8800M GTX in a 15" notebook.

 

hmm...didn't know that...thanks for clearing it up. However i have called alienware like 5 times and all the time they said it is mxmII

 

Just called and spoke with Harley. He sounded somewhat professional when I asked him what slot type the 8800m would use. He replied that its confidential at this time. I plan on calling back later wheter it be later tonight or tommorrow. I still encourage others to call. I also should point out that it is better to ask "what type of slot the card will go in?" and not "what version of MXM the card will go in?" If the representative uses the term "MXM" in their reply then it means they have an idea of what they are talking about. If they dont use MXM in their reply then you can ask what version of MXM the card will go in.

Try to speak with someone that is not Tom, Kevin, or Harley. This way we get answers from different people other than the ones weve already talked to.

 

Actually, Alienware does use MXM notebooks at times. At times they don't (like the older Clevo models they used). It's highly likely (imo) that the 15x and 17x will be MXM based.

My guess is that the 8800m's will both be MXM-III, though I suppose it's possible that the -GTX will be type IV or HE exclusive.

 

I'd say both of the 8800, would probably not fit any 15" notebook that's mxm type 2. Maybe not for GTS, but for the GTX, I'm kinda sure it's going to be MXM 3 or something else.

 

They don't use MXM. Alienware uses clevo barebone notebooks. Clevo uses a proprietary slot (very similar but NOT mxm and INCOMPATIBLE with mxm).
MXM was created by nvidia, they have written all the specifications but Nvidia just makes the GPU not the cards.
There are 4 types of modular graphic cards, all incompatible between them. Pure mxm, dell, quanta and clevo modular cards (all based on mxm and even respecting almost all the mxm specs).
Alienware can even respect the MXMIII standard but they CAN'T say they use MXM type II because they don't even use MXM and because the specifications of the GF 8800M series exceeds the thermal and energy indications of MXM type II.
And the alienware 15" notebook that they sell on their website has a MXM III slot. One more thing. think in the size, the 8800M GS and the 8800M GTX have the same size. only small differences in the specs and thermal and energy specifications. Even the size makes the 8800M series unable to be part of the MXM II standard...
I'm almost 100% sure there will be a 15" notebook with a 8800M. Even the old asus z81sp and several others could handle it in terms of heat dissipation, power consumption and size. It's not a matter of technical difficulties.

 

Sigh...., where to begin?

First off, Alienware at times has used Clevo designs, yes, but at the current moment I don't even think they offer a Clevo notebook. Alienware has also used (to the best of my knowledge) Arima and Uniwill, and probably many others. Currently, Alienware DOES offer notebooks with standard MXM GPU's.

Secondly, there are many, many more types of modular graphics than what you have listed, virtually every company offers a proprietary modular format, sometimes with different formats in different product lines.

Thirdly, it's useless to speculate about why or why not an 8800m could or could not be a certain MXM type until the GPU is physically released.

 

Alienware doesn't use MXM. It's a fact, not an argument.

 

The Alienware Area-51 m5500, m5550, m5700, and m5750 are all confirmed MXM notebooks, as are the Aurora m9700 and m9750 (all are type III except the type II m5500, and the last two are SLI type III).

Those are the facts. You'd be wise to do some actual research before posting such claims. If you did, you would realize that Alienware utilizes a variety of different ODM's, some of whom employ MXM in their notebooks, and some of whom don't.

 

I repeat for those who are very stupid. Alienware does NOT! use MXM in any the notebooks models that they ever sold or are selling.
It uses a proprietary protocol. It can be upgradable by their graphic cards but it's NOT! MXM and it's incompatible with the true MXM modules. Do your research right before saying lies.

 

Then I must ask you to quote your source for this. Since there are well documented upgrades of Alienware notebooks with standard MXM cards:

www.MXM-Upgrade.com

 

Sigh, theres a reason your a newbie and odin is well....odin the wise.

 

Yeah lol.

I wouldn't even be surprised tosee th GTS has MXM II, and heat might not even be an issue since the 8800GT uses almost the same fan as the 8600GTS...

 

I agree, my only concern would be the physical board size. That's the reason the Go7900GS wasn't released as an MXM-II part (though there was the Arima special version, perhaps we might see the same for the -GTS?)

 

I beg to differ. If you check out NVIDIA's website, it links to Alienware's website about 8800M GTX being in Area-51 m15x - which is a 15.4" notebook.

I wonder how much the notebooks with GTS/GTX will start out though... If they had decent rigs at around $2500, I'm up for it.

 

Notice the key part of the post you quoted -

However Alienware themselves have used MXM-III 15.4" notebooks in the past, so it's no stretch to imagine that the 15x is the same (or it could even be a 17" chassis, as we've yet to see dimensions for it).

 

So any of you think it's possible to fit a 8800M series in an ACER 5920G? Cause I can get a pretty good deal on one of those that comes equipped with a Core 2 Duo, 8600 GT 512MB, 2GB RAM, 250GB HDD, HD-DVD, etc.

 

I wouldn't bet money on it.

 

I would bet it that it won't make it on the 5920G
1 notebook you can watch out for is the Asus C90, i wonder if the folks at Asus could somehow cram this wonderful chrismax present in there.

 

Naah, Asus won't. There's nothing special about the C90s compared to other MXM-II notebooks. The only possibility would be something like an Arima Special verision, but even then I doubt the 8800M-GTS would work over an MXM-II slot at all. And if such a thing were to happen, the 5920G and the IFL90 (and all other MXM-II notebooks) would be just as viable as the C90s for housing such a card.

The real trend to watch out for will be proprietary modular systems, like Asus' other notebooks, as there's no reason you can't put a non-MXM modular version of the 8800m in a 15.4" notebook.

 

So i guess that the Sager NP5790 will be able to support the 8800 series....

 

I know it is very helpless to hope that any 8800m would work/fit in Vostro/Inspiron 1500/20. But in case it does happen, I am going out to kill a kitty.