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    8970m > 780m according to notebookcheck

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by itsjustme84, Jun 16, 2013.

  1. itsjustme84

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    itsjustme84, Jun 16, 2013
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    It also says its 2% faster than a desktop 7970. I'm having a hard time believing that
     
    crosslimit, Jun 16, 2013
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    How well that translates to gaming will tell the real story, benchmarks are nice but sometimes can be misleading.
     
    IKAS V, Jun 16, 2013
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    Like I said in the other thread, I wonder why no one finds it weird that there is a benchmark that puts the card with a 79xx GPU score. If that is indeed true then I am very curious about this card.
     
    Superpata, Jun 16, 2013
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    Not possible.
    Tahiti has a major shader count advantage over Pitcairn.
    The 7970 also has a clock speed advantage.
     
    Evil Penguin, Jun 16, 2013
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    I'll defer to wingnut or cloud, or any of the other experts here to end this ridiculous thread, and I almost don't want to deign myself to respond, but there is no way in holy h3ll the 8970 is faster than a 780m in any meaningful way.

    I'm bored with discussing this meaningless and fallacious result in a single 3 year-old synthetic benchmark, but will say this: look at the closest desktop comparison... An 8970m is a 7870 (southern islands) with reduced clock in speeds; a 780m is a gtx 680 (gk104) with a relatively similar reduction in clock speeds. A gtx 680 will beat a 7870 by a wide margin in games EVERY TIME in the order of 25-30%.
     
    harmattan, Jun 16, 2013
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    Reason: 8970M score was with Tessellation disabled.

    Real score for 8970M is 6500 in 3DMark11. Check out the "8970m might not be a rebrand after all". Too lazy to link to the thread.

    Notebookcheck out with their BS as always
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 16, 2013
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    Ok that explains it Cloud, thank you. Like I said in the other thread, knowing what I know about the 8970m that did not seem possible, was just curious for the explanation.
     
    Superpata, Jun 16, 2013
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    Yeah from what I am to understand, the 8970M scores here were due to the tessellation being disabled, so... it was just run on "easy mode" so to speak. :p

    At least we know that there might be an 8990M coming out if the new 8970 rumors are true. (The new desktop GPU is to have 2304 GCN cores. :D)
     
    imglidinhere, Jun 16, 2013
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  10. itsjustme84

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    interesting, how do you know the 8970m had tess disabled?

    Harmatt why is finding something on performance of a gpu that shows its faster than the most widely talked about gpu for notebooks then posting it in a forum ridic...???

    do you know what a forum is?
     
    itsjustme84, Jun 17, 2013
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    To those who have been around long enough to see people play the tess-off trick time and again with AMD cards, the NBC results are ridiculous.

    To those who have not, well, hope you are now one step closer to techie enlightenment :D
     
    sponge_gto, Jun 17, 2013
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    not possible if it really has 1280 stream processors at 900mhz core boost speed with the same 1200mhz mem clock.
     
    maxheap, Jun 17, 2013
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    Here is the 8970M 3DMark11 score from a MSI GX70 review. Take a look at the GPU score



    Here is the 3DMark11 score from a Clevo P177SM. Note the GPU score again. 8970M isn`t even remotely close to the GTX 780M

     
    Cloudfire, Jun 17, 2013
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    Amen 10char
     
    crosslimit, Jun 17, 2013
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    interesting thanks for the heads up


    mods please delete thread due to false info from notebookcheck
     
    itsjustme84, Jun 17, 2013
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    When 780M users get their hands on some decent drivers, I'm sure the difference will be night and day.
     
    J.Dre, Jun 17, 2013
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    There is no doubt that the 780m is faster. However, those scores Cloud posted pit a 780m on a 4700MQ vs a AMD APU. Let's be fair instead of trying to make this a marketing gimmick for the company shall we?
     
    maverick1989, Jun 17, 2013
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    Doesn`t matter in 3DMark11. In fact, the GX60 with AMD APU + 7970M scored more in Graphic score than the notebooks with a i7 + 7970M ;)

    AMD Radeon HD 7970M - NotebookCheck.net Tech
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 18, 2013
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    Guys. NBC has had the 8970m rated barely above the 7970m and well below the 780m for quite a bit.
     
    shinji257, Jun 18, 2013
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    I don't think it is logical to quote NBC as a source after the first page of this thread agreed to the fact that NBC is, and I quote, "BS".
     
    maverick1989, Jun 19, 2013
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    What's with all the hate for NBC, they are really good at laying out all the benchmarks.

    I think everyone is using the 3D Mark GPU score as saying THAT is how NBC is ranking their gpus, but it is not, here is a clear image showing how NBC ranks their gpu's:

    Ry41b6l.jpg

    So if YOU'RE going on their site and using the 3D mark score as YOUR measurement, that's YOUR mistake. This is just a case of NBC not having the card to test as they wanted, so instead of leaving the section blank they provided the only scores they could.
     
    cyricc, Jul 2, 2013
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    AMD is using hybrid crossfire on the MSI that score was measured on. That's basically cheating. Same as using Virtu MVP with 3dmark. Those scores can fool the noobies but not an experienced user. The 780m is definitely superior for gaming.
     
    TheBlackIdentity, Jul 2, 2013
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    You cant use hybrid xfire with the 7970m/8970m.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 3, 2013
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