8970m benchmarks compared to 780m

Before I go buy my laptop this week, I was wondering if anyone can provide any benchmarks scores for the 8970m. I've been looking at some 3dmark11, and the 8790m received a GPU score of ~6500, while the 780m was able to obtain ~8000. That's is a big performance gap, and seeing how well the 7970m did, I've been left with some doubt that the 8970m can't possibly be that slow compared to its rival. So I was wondering if anyone else has any benchmarks of the 8970m proving otherwise, if so, please do post them. I wouldn't mind sacrificing 500 points between the 8970m and 780m to save some money.

 

950/1250 8970m

AMD Radeon HD 8970M video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4900MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz,Terrans Force X511

AMD Radeon HD 8970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3615QM Processor,Terrans Force X711EM

 

Wow this is confusing.

Saw in an article that the 8970m scored nearly 8000, and according those benchmarks, how did it score below 7000?

Anyways, when it comes to gaming and benchmarking performances can vary. I was wondering how far behind is the 8970m compared to the 780m when it comes to 1080p gaming on ultra settings, such as crysis 3, metro last light, and any other demanding games.

 

I expect it to do better with overclocking but 780m is better in every way

 

I'd throw out there that basing a purchase decision off by comparing these gpus with synthetic benchmarks is rather ridiculous. Look at game comparisons. ...unless your expressly buying the system for benchmarking in which case I have some lovely seaside property in Idaho that may interest you.

Putting an 8970m even in the same category as the 780m is just wrong: it's like a mid-range chip vs a high-end chip. Think about it this way: you're essentially looking at a desktop 7870 vs a gtx 680. In games I.e. what really matters the 780m will be 20-25% faster.

 

We know that GTX 780M is 32% faster than 7970M in games.

8970M is 6% faster than 7970M (900MHz vs 850MHz)

7970M as baseline (100FPS)

GTX780M:
100FPS x 1.32 = 132FPS

8970M
100FPS x 1.06 = 106FPS

GTX 780M is 25% faster than 8970M

 

EDIT, woah, 2 post's slipped in while was writing (I did forget to hit enter, then went and redid the thermal paste on a XPS.... lol,) still I'll leave my full thoughts below although they echo the opinions of others


I'm not 100% sure if your aware or not, so apologies if I'm talking down to you... although we're fairly short on real benchmarks we can draw some conclusions based on part knowledge of various cards and prices,

The 7970m was a fair slice slower then 680m, and the 8970m is identical to the 7970m in every way bar 50mhz clock, therefore I expect it will be closer to the performance of the 7970m than the GTX 680m - forget comparing to a 780m

moving towards the GTX 780 in question here, it's about 25% quicker some say 30% quicker than a GTX 680m!

There have been various "fluffly" benchmarks online of the 8970m stating its 30% faster than a 7970m, which puts it in the same class as the 780m, but it is exactly the same hardware as the 7970m, so AMD really have to make changes to the hardware, or perform miracles to pull those figures out of the bag.

I would say wait until the 8970m is actually out if your in any doubt, then check actual hard in game evidence in the games you specifically want to play, as AMD pull ahead in certain games, and Nvidia in others so it's as much as question of what you play.

Also until official prices come out, we won't know how much value for money the 8970m is, if it's equal to the 770m, its a fair competitor (to the 770m - as I expect it to perform on this level) if it's any cheaper than the 770m, then it's a winner in my book. If it's going to cost the same as the 780m, it needs to prove why 1st hand in the flash with the various reviewers out there

 

25 percent faster when stock, but who pays 2k to run stock. johnksss showed they only differ slightly with overvolting and overclocking.

the big question is, is it worth it to upgrade? only if you get paid to benchmark othwise id say your pretty crazy to do the upgrade, maybe if your not into overclocking and need the best each year

 

Are you talking about 8970M (7970M) vs GTX 780M? Johnksss/SVL got 11000 in GPU score in 3DMark11. 7970M can`t even touch anywhere near that score.

 

If i were you i will just get whichever laptop with GTX 780M, no question asked. 8970M is a rebadge.

 

For upgrade reasons whats better to get, a laptop with a 7970m so i could upgrade it later to a ATI 9xxxm or would it be bettert to buy a 675mx/680m to upgrade it later to a 7xxm/8xxm series?

 

either one is fine, you just have to get a proper heatsink for whichever card you're going to upgrade to, at that time.

 

Didn't the 7970m lag a bit behind 680m when it was first released... by maybe 5%, and only because Nvidia decided to ramp up 680m for the final launch after it's estimates were handily beaten by AMD?
Also, didn't 7970m surpass 680m with newer drivers in benchmarks? Its scores overall improved by roughly 30% on stock settings while to my knowledge I hadn't heard the same happening to 680m.

By that definition, the 780m might be 30% faster than 680m, but that would put it by a few % ahead of the 7970m, or basically on par with 8970m.

 

lol are you serious?
Try rereading the thread again.

 

lets put it simple this way:
on stock 7970M: 6300, 680M: 6500, 780M: 7000?
overclock 7970M: 8000 (stretching it), 680M: 9000, 780M 10000
All with 3dMark 11 performance, top overclock scores that i have seen. 780M is not optimized yet.

 

In my opinion and I've read alot reviews as I recently made the exact same decisions - and I ended up spending £200 extra and getting the 780m

the 7970m competes closer with the 675mx and GTX 770m. I don't expect the 8970m to achieve anything special and magically leap above this level.

I was using the NEW reviews for the 7970m and carefully (painstakingly) eliminating any reviews or benchmarks that used old drivers - on the flip side, I used "any old" nvidia review, - giving you an idea of the "stability" an nvidia system has this gen.

my thoughts with Nvidia are, they just work, no messing about required

 

Are you kidding the 770M cannot compare to either the 7970M or the 8970M lol. If would take an OC to draw level with the 7970M at stock clocks and a large one to beat the stock clocked 8970M. All OCed only the 680M or 780M can comfortably beat them! Common knowledge right!!

I really like the 770M. It looks great on paper at least however with 192bit bus and 1000mhz stock memory speed (probably max out at 1200-1300mhz) it is far too crippled to be able to compete easily against AMD's top offerings. Nvidia's topdogs and well ahead however AMD's flagship cards are firmly in second place due to their high memory bandwidth (256bit + 1500-1600 max) This is totally understandable. The 770M is a 75W card not 100W is isn't supposed to compete with anything 100W...

The 780M in my opinion kinda cheats though. In order to achieve its crazy speeds it's TDP is crazy high. If AMD decided to make a 120W tdp card perhaps it would be easy to have a competing product out there. I am happy they are not as my machine can't run more than 100W which is where it should always be MAX. More is desktop territory right lol

Nvidia made the 680M into a fantastic mobile card. Nothing touches it as it is both powerful and very efficient. Until the next gen this is the ultimate upgrade in my book.

 

Yes, re-reading the review here you're correct on performance in a fashion, but regarding power consumption - no no no no no forget TDP, look at the actual values, 7970m draws 106-131 in tests, putting it on par with the GTX 780m power consumption, if anything the absolute polar opposite of your statement is the fact, it is Nvidia who have decided to catch up with AMD and their higher power consumption parts.

Review Update: Radeon HD 7970M vs. GeForce GTX 680M - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

the 7970m is closer to the 680m than I remember, but still, every game that the 680m beats the 7970m in, the GTX 770m also beats the 7970m, all the titles where the 7970m beats the 770m, it also beats the 680m, so it's a difficult one to compare the 770m seems to be almost exactly 10% behind the 680m on every single setting

well worth considering that the 770m is running very immature drivers, and as you said is only a 75w part.

You can't get away from GCN architecture and it's 106-131w power consumption, Nvidia have just kind of said "ok, you wan't to play outside the 100w box (forget what your TDP says) then we will also play outside this box"

Also officioally, no TDP has been released on the GTX 780m but speculation places it at 122w TDP - around that of a 7970m's actual power draw (worst case scenario) - I also believe that outside of those synthetic results, the Kepler is in general much lower actual power draw on average while gaming

 

The system they tested has enduro, enduro brought several issues back then, especially with dx9 games. If they used a non enduro model with those drivers I am not even sure the difference between the 680 would be significant. The 770m is not in the same league in my opinion, especially after I have checked the recent benchmarks.

 

Yes I said 30 minutes ago and took back (sort of) that the 770m beats the 7970m

I'd know much about the enduro issue but I think it's more to do with switching, and blue screens between switching - once it's on and your in game, its on and running that's it.

As I said, this IS the later review update with new drivers and fixed utilisation and enduro so there is no "back then" statement applicable,

so now, as I said the 770m beats the 7970m in every single game that the 680m beats the 7970m & similarly also the 7970m obviously beats the 770m in every game it beats the 680m in - so it's really not that easy to say "it doesn't compete" - I think it is more a statement of "it depends what you play" but as I said, and agreed and already corrected myself 30 minutes before you post, yes on average the 770m is not competing - but it is only a 75w part, and it is very very cheap

 

The recent drivers that people have been "testing" gives a great enduro boost in dx9 games and some dx11 games were slightly improved as well. Without enduro though the 13.1 are "recent enough", the 13.6 and other beta drivers do help with the enduro issue when you compare it with the 13.1. I see the 7970 having "issues" with older games mostly (again probably due to the enduro issue), while most recent games (when I compare the 13.1 benchmarks from notebookcheck with their 770m), it is clear to me who is the winner. For example in diablo 3 it loses by 40 fps, 100 vs 141, that is a dx9 game and runs more than fine in any system anyway.

 

23fps will be 30.36
or
23fps will be 24.38


So in fact the 780m will make unplayable games playable, and so will the 8970m. however if the game is unplayable like 15 fps it will only change to 19.8 and still be unplayable. unless your a fool or into benchmarking no pun intended it will be wise to buy the cheaper.

 

I hadn't considered this, I'll check that out and see if this pattern existis, - sounds like a very interesting and relevant consideration

 

Lets be face the truth here. Enduro have been improved countless times ever since there was a huge crowd gathering outside AMDs headquarters with pitchforks and threatening to put their heads on a pole because Enduro was broken.

There is over half a year since Anandtech tested the hotfix for Enduro which brought the GPU utilization almost up to Nvidia's Optimus.

Anandtech just did a review with 7970M. They had Alienware with Enduro enabled, and they put it against The same notebook but with Enduro disabled. They tested 7 very new games. What did they found out? Enduro disabled got measly 3-4% better result with 7970M than Enduro enabled.

So although AMD messed up earlier, they have pretty much fixed Enduro up to a point where its nothing that should bother anyone. So 8970M is still waaay behind GTX 780M, Enduro or not.

Notebookcheck tested both 780M and 7970M with the newest drivers from both camps



Source: Anandtech

 

Nothing I said suggests 8970 is even close to the 780m. What I said is the 7970 is stronger than a 770m, especially more demanding games, like the ones you just linked in this article. Furthermore I said the 13.1 were not as good as the newer ones like 13.6 ,which they tested in anandtech unlike notebookcheck. Your link just proves this, the 7970 is indeed a stronger card than the 770m. Even going to notebookcheck and compare the benchmarks of both cards, it is obvious to me the more demanding games run better with the 7970 using the 13.1 than with the 770m. Had they used newer versions like anandtech the difference would be slightly bigger.

 

Remember that anandtech's GT70 was faulty and was underperforming as a result.

 

Surely they should pull the review or water mark it to signify it is void???

 

Bs. In one of the greatest games Sleeping Dogs the difference is only 8% in favor to 780m compared to 7970m, but the price difference is huge. No way is 780m worth the praise you try to put on it.

 

As you said in 1 game.....

 

lol lets just focus on 1 single game that is optimized for AMD and forget about all the other ones where 780M is way ahead

PS: GTX 680M is slightly faster than 7970M but is like 40% slower in that particular game. Good choice to prove your point Vrs

 

My Question is how will the 8970m compare with 780m when it comes to 3D CAD modeling like ProEngineer (creo) and SolidWorks. Why is it that nvidia fall short when it comes to CAD

 

Nvidia like to cut cad performance on their geforce cards so you have to buy their quadro cards specialized for professional use.

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Somebody put up the facts earlier from Anandtech (but you of course ignored it), its a little difference between 7970m and 780m:

 

lol that review is broken. Anandtech even said it themselves. You see that GT70 they used? It have horrible paste job: Bad paste job, high CPU temperatures, throttling, CPU bottleneck, GPU performance go down...

Like I posted earlier, go read the Notebookcheck review which had no throttling. Its waaaay ahead of 7970M

 

Vrs simply put. The 780M is a downclocked (roughly 80% full power of) GTX 680 desktop card. The 7970M is a downclocked 7870 desktop card. Now the Desktop 670 GTX already outperforms the 7870 so don't compare it to the 780M.

7970M is a good card but it is also the oldest out of the 4 top cards today. Perhaps when and if a 8990M is released it can be fairly compared to the 780M but not until then.

Anyways back to OP any solid 8970M benchmarks out yet paired with a good i7 cpu?

 

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-notebook-review-amd-a10-5750m-tested-14.html

 

Show me evidence of that, or it's a lie.

 

I have owned both the 680m and 780m and can say that the 780m is leaps and bounds faster than the 680 in terms of gaming performance.

 

Look at the CPU temperatures they measured. 98C when just gaming...

 

I asked for evidence you should me nothing. Show me what you claim Anandtech have written about it.

 

Hulawafu is that you....?

 

How long are you gonna keep this up?
GTX 780M is far better than 7970M. Deal with it.

And because you keep ignoring what we are writing, have another look at this. Its 780M on a machine that doesn`t have any throttling problems. Read it this time
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/718021-i-m-upgrading-you-gtx-780m-review-inside-61.html#post9216441

LOL sure sounds like it

 

You cant handle facts. This review shows different fps and much higher for 8970m then your link:
[video]http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/NOTEBOOK/GX70/GX70-31.jpg[/video]
MSI GX70 Gaming Notebook Review; AMD A10-5750M Tested - Page 11
I am Vrs and have not registered as anyone else.

 

Can`t handle? I am the one posting facts here. You are just throwing numbers out there with absolutely no context what so ever.
Your links show nothing but what 8970M can do against GTX 660M.

I give up. Go troll elsewhere

 

VIA S3 Graphics ProSavage8 - NotebookCheck.net Tech

this beast scores 50 in 3dmark03 clearly it is also as fast as the 780m as when it was benchmarked it wasnt benchmarked properly, you know with mature drivers.

 

You are trolling. This is what fps 8970m has in games:
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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-notebook-review-amd-a10-5750m-tested-11.html

 

That's what the GX70 gets, which in certain titles is limited by the AMD APU quite a lot.

The 780M is clearly ahead of the 8970 at 1080p, so if you have the cash the upgrade is worth it, the 8970M is hardly the slowest card out there though.

 

Oh really? its not the slowest card? I thought the savage pro was the slowest
At 1080p? why not 720p also
20 percent faster is clearly? I thought 6990m vs 7970m was clear but 20 percent for 1k

no offense meaker I respect you but your not exactly bright

 

Uhm, anyway i think ati will make some driver updates to improve the performance of this card...

 

lol the knowledge of these new guys is just amazing. We are lucky to have such oracles to help us figure out things.