9700 GTS in 15"

According to today's most recent article on the head page here at NBR ( http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4461)
the new Qosmio 15" will be packing a 9700 GTS for it's video card.

Now it's been my impression that except for the 8800gtx found in the alienware 15", the dell xps m1530 has been taking the cake with the best video card in a 15" notebook with its 8600GT DDR3.


My question is how the 9700GTS is in comparison to the 8600gt ddr3? Is this another one of those nvidia cases where it's the same card just different series number and possibly better heat management? Or is there a performance different worth actually waiting for? Because I was under the impression that bigger cards couldn't fit comfortably in a 15" chassis.

 

thats something that we dont know, there is some talk about its supposed to be a 8800GTX or something, but i dont buy that, all we have to do now is to wait. my personal thoughts are that this card is based on the 8800GTS but with lesser bus interface (192bit maybe) thats just my thoughts

 

i will guarentee it is the 8800m GTS

 

In any case, a 9500 is almost equal to an 8600, so the 9700 > the 8600 by a large degree.

 

Narsnail is on to something, I suspect the 9700M GTS to be close to the 8800M GTS.

 

Too bad the new 15" will available to US residents only during its initial release, I'm guessing the 9700 is going to be better than the 8600 GDDR3 but not sure if it will hit 8800 GTS performance.

 

Isn't the 9800GTS the equivalent of the 8800GTS? The 9700GTS is somewhere around an 8700GT.

 

im pretty sure it is ~8800gts, and since its a toshiba i think its going to be pretty expensive to get it configured decently

 

The 9700M GTS is based on the G96M (9500GT, 65nm G84M).
I'd say 8600M GT SLI. It's still 128bits and 32 shaders.

 

well the 9650m GT was the 8700m GT so going by the system intact I will say it will def be the 8800m GTS

 

*9650M GS was the 8700M GT.

After verification, you're right, it's gonna be a G94M, so a mobile 9600GT.

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Nvidia_55nm_Mobile_Graphics_Cards_Unveiled/5705.html

I thought of the 9700M GT. The 9650M GT should be a 55nm 8700M GT

It's getting complicated lol.
9650M GS= 8700M GT
9600M GT= 65nm 8700M GT
9650M GT= 55nm 8700M GT

I don't if *THE* mobile 9600GT is gonna be the 9700M GTS or 9800M GT but I'm pretty sure it will be better than the 8800M GTS, although not by that much. The 9600GT has proven that even with only 64 shaders, it's kicking ass

 

Pretty sure when the info was available on the nvidia website it said it had 48 sp not 64 like the 8800m gts.

 

im not sure on this matter, ive used the 9500, and actually enjoyed it, and thought it blazed crysis everywhere considering it was only a rebranded 8600.

but im not sure on all this stuff now, its far too confusing, i find it hard to believe that any company, especially nvidia would release three 9*** series cards, that are all the same as 8700's.

i just cant see it, one of them has to be close to an 8800 somewhere along the line.

 

Satyrion thinks that this card will be good but not that good. He also think that he will get a new laptop with this card because the Radeon 9700 was a good card he he got that card in his old desktop.

 

Hmm, a G94 cut down to 48sp would likely produce less heat/consumes less and fit into MXM-II so that's a possibility

 

hmm maybe as i said.. a 192bit 8800GTS

 

hmmm still thats a very good card in a 15inch laptop, not near as good as the 8800m GTX obv, but should be able to max almost all games at a decent res, cept for crysis

 

Well, if it is indeed the full mobile 9600GT (although this might be more the 9800M GT), it won't be far from it. The 9600GT beats the G80 GTS and I believe the 8800M GTX is about the GTS 640

 

I agree with the above statement that places the 8800MGTX right along the 8800 GTS 640 and the 9700M GT close to the 9600 GT...

 

Well I hope my guess is right. But since the 9800M GT/S are still G94, I wouldn't be surprised if the 9700M GTS is slower with the 48 mentioned SP, which probably would put it a bit under the 8800M GTS, maybe 8600M GT SLI.

 

@OP, 9700 GTS is desktop card.

 

When there is no desktop variant (i.e, x7xx series), it doesn't change change anything

 

Well, we`ll just have to wait till mid July to see both the new Nvidias and Atis in action.
As usual, bets on NVIDIA, at my booth

 

Probably, but ATI already has 55nm implemented so it probably will be in more mainstream notebooks

 

When will the 9800 card for Laptop
be out by ?

 

9700 isn't gonna be an equivalent to 8800gts, the 9800 is only lets be honest a 8800GTX in sheep's clothing, the 9700 is either gonna be a 8700 with maybe a little extra juice at most.

 

Looking at the Pricing of the Edge notebook, where the 9800GTS is 150$ cheaper than the 8800GTX, you can already put on the performance tag on a 9700GTS..

 

the 9800m gtx shud be out by next mon th when the new qosmios ship, cause one carries the chip.

 

the 9700m will be equal to a 8700m or a 8800 m tgs . either way its way stronger than a 8600m gt

 

Do not mix the 9700M GT and the 9700M GTS. The 9700M GT is a G96 so an overclocked 9600M GT that is a 65nm 8700M GT. The 9700M GTS, on the other hand, is a G94 chip like the 9800M GTS. The 8800M GTS has 64 shaders with clocks of 500/1250/900. The desktop 9600GT (G94) clocks are 650/1650/900. A 9700M GTS with 64 shaders at 500/1250/800 is entirely possible. The G94 heats less than the G92 and consumes less. Big OC potential there.

A 256bits G94 with either 48 or 64 shaders is never gonna be equal or slower than a 128bits G84 with 32shaders. The slowest the 9700M GTS can be is 8600M GT GDDR3 SLI

The Geforce 9 series naming does not make any sense

@Brainer: Like I said, the 9800M GTS is a G94 so it is cheaper than the G92 that makes the 8800M.

EDIT: Forgot to mention something kinda important.
The 8800M GTX has absolutely nothing to do with the 8800GTX. The 8800GTX is a G80 chips with a bus of 384bits while the 8800M GTX is a G92 chips... An heavily crippled 8800GT. It's not impossible that a G94 mobile card equals it. The 8800M GTX runs at the same clocks as the GTS and a mobile G94 clocked at 650/1650/900 would not be very far from it.
If the 9800M GTX is an uncrippled G92 (full 128shaders), it would eat a 8800M GTX for breakfast.

I'm seeing the 9700M GTS= 8800M GTS. 9800M GT just a bit under the 8800M GTX and the 9800M GTX better

EDIT2: The 9800M GT is rumored to be a G94b, a 55nm revision of it. High clocks @lowtemps so 9800M GT=8800MGTX OR a very cool 9700M GTS

 

wow, my brain got fried. im guessing that the 9700m gts will be stronger than 8700m gt but weaker than a 8800m gts somewhere in the middle. either way , i mightget this instead of the m1530 this summer. go qosmio and toshiba. now all i want to know is the price tag. any guesstimates on that?

 

why is that?

 

I hate when people say that. Crysis is so average... How about saying it won't be able to max out Far Cry 2

 

About that:

48 shaders= Between, but closer to the 8800M GTS, maybe 8600M GT SLI
64 shaders= As good as 8800M GTS, or least can reach it through overclock.

I'd say ~$1400 with 3GB of RAM and a T9300

 

Meh, I find it hard/don't want to follow a lot of this techno mumbo-jumbo also, just as long a Chaz edits his 'big chart', I'm good to make a purchase and the end of summer

 

It's a US release initially according to JerryJ's news post, barring online orders non-US residents will have to wait until it retails locally.

 

What, doesn't this violate NAFTA!!!

Just to clarify, does this mean that there will be no vendors selling the card outside of the U.S (what I suspect your saying...) and/or no laptops with the card will be shipped outside of the U.S initially? (which would be dumb, and unreasonable...)

 

Here's the news link and assuming I haven't misunderstood "Each new Qosmio model will be available later this summer at retail stores nationwide in the US and available directly from Toshiba at www.toshibadirect.com." this means US residents will get it locally while overseas residents can only purchase the models in question via toshibadirect.com and a valid credit card.

 

NAFTA only covers products manufactured in north america, laptops are made in china/taiwan. You DO have customs on laptops when importing them into Canada (and problably Mexico too) from the US.

 

yeah, lol, I was just joking. wanted to sound smart

The toshiba? meh, I don't care then. I thought you meant the video card itself.... if the card is exclusive to toshiba's new lineup early on, then that's understandable.

But whats stopping one from making a simple phone call to his cousin across the border? sending him/her the money via paypal? get them to make the purchase? then go and pick it up, or have it sent in? Absolutely nothing.

U.S customs/CBSA? ahhaaa, I don't know if this violates site rules, but I'm sure I could fit some 40" HDTV's at the side panels of a vehicle to avoid tariffs

 

The website has no other news on the release of the 9700GTS for other models other than the Toshiba.

As for my earlier statement, not everyone has "cousins" across the borders between the United States and its neighbours. European and Asian consumers will have to wait a while before seeing this particular mobile card unless they can afford and are willing to import the laptop via toshibadirect.

 

Anyone know how much the F50 with the 9700 GTS will cost?

@Harleyquin... its so true. We always get it late and much more expensive.

 

Here are some indication price !

The 15.4" F55, with starting price at $1,150, will include built-in GPS—with Garmin navigation and mapping software—while its $1,750 configuration will have some reasonably decent gaming capability as well.

http://gizmodo.com/5017122/toshiba-...and-g55-with-ps3-cell-chip-updated-with-video

 

Thanks. With some luck they'll have a model thats cheaper and ditches that useless GPS thing but with the 9700 GTS.

*fingers crossed*

 

I wonder what were they thinking or doing when they say they wanna add a gps in it...
Jungle trekking or driving on the high way, i bet.

 

Sorry to dig up this thread but can anyone confirm that this is going on sale in mid July in the US?

The toshiba site http://explore.toshiba.com/laptops/qosmio/F50 says it will be on sale in mid-July. Will it be released in the US then?

 

Since the .com suffix defines a US internet domain, that should be an affirmative answer to your question.

 

i am confused, seeing there is a F50 and F55
are they going to both get 9700 GTS
and might one be the oversea version?

how much will they cost?