9800M-GTS beats 8800-GTX reality or bollocks talk?

and leave the negative lod bias alone.

7811 600-799-1500 2.8 ghz

9/28/2008 10:28:40 PM - Vista
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1280x1024, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 90.91s, Average FPS: 22.00
Min FPS: 14.38 at frame 151, Max FPS: 25.22 at frame 1753
Average Tri/Sec: 23043226, Tri/Frame: 1047419
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.88
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #2 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1400x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 92.19s, Average FPS: 21.69
Min FPS: 13.63 at frame 147, Max FPS: 25.70 at frame 1749
Average Tri/Sec: 22447970, Tri/Frame: 1034776
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #3 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 92.35s, Average FPS: 21.66
Min FPS: 13.99 at frame 147, Max FPS: 25.36 at frame 1746
Average Tri/Sec: 22405310, Tri/Frame: 1034561
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #4 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1900x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 100.65s, Average FPS: 19.87
Min FPS: 14.49 at frame 153, Max FPS: 23.07 at frame 1753
Average Tri/Sec: 19186234, Tri/Frame: 965550
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.95
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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9/28/2008 10:28:40 PM - Vista

Run #1- DX10 1280x1024 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 22.00

Run #2- DX10 1400x1050 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 21.69

Run #3- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 21.66

Run #4- DX10 1900x1200 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 19.87



6860 500-799-1250 1.83 ghz

9/28/2008 10:08:24 PM - Vista
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1280x1024, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 128.63s, Average FPS: 15.55
Min FPS: 9.71 at frame 137, Max FPS: 19.19 at frame 963
Average Tri/Sec: 15248318, Tri/Frame: 980700
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.93
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #2 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1400x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 125.17s, Average FPS: 15.98
Min FPS: 9.88 at frame 138, Max FPS: 19.99 at frame 1752
Average Tri/Sec: 16455136, Tri/Frame: 1029826
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #3 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 145.90s, Average FPS: 13.71
Min FPS: 8.91 at frame 1939, Max FPS: 17.27 at frame 1752
Average Tri/Sec: -13397972, Tri/Frame: -977390
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #4 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1900x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 201.18s, Average FPS: 9.94
Min FPS: 3.73 at frame 1331, Max FPS: 12.72 at frame 1730
Average Tri/Sec: -9408108, Tri/Frame: -946357
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.97
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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9/28/2008 10:08:24 PM - Vista

Run #1- DX10 1280x1024 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 15.55

Run #2- DX10 1400x1050 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 15.98

Run #3- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 13.71

Run #4- DX10 1900x1200 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 9.94


7811 700-925-1800 2.8 ghz

9/28/2008 10:52:57 PM - Vista
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1280x1024, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 78.49s, Average FPS: 25.48
Min FPS: 16.44 at frame 149, Max FPS: 30.41 at frame 1741
Average Tri/Sec: 26708282, Tri/Frame: 1048120
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.87
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #2 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1400x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 79.37s, Average FPS: 25.20
Min FPS: 15.90 at frame 144, Max FPS: 29.48 at frame 1763
Average Tri/Sec: 26065688, Tri/Frame: 1034360
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #3 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 79.65s, Average FPS: 25.11
Min FPS: 16.23 at frame 146, Max FPS: 29.70 at frame 1735
Average Tri/Sec: 25987902, Tri/Frame: 1034994
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #4 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1900x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 86.55s, Average FPS: 23.11
Min FPS: 14.94 at frame 151, Max FPS: 26.74 at frame 1734
Average Tri/Sec: 22314676, Tri/Frame: 965656
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.95
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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9/28/2008 10:52:57 PM - Vista

Run #1- DX10 1280x1024 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 25.48

Run #2- DX10 1400x1050 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 25.20

Run #3- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 25.11

Run #4- DX10 1900x1200 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 23.11

7811 720-990-1900 2.8 ghz

9/28/2008 11:16:22 PM - Vista
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1280x1024, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 75.10s, Average FPS: 26.63
Min FPS: 16.00 at frame 153, Max FPS: 31.32 at frame 1734
Average Tri/Sec: 27909512, Tri/Frame: 1048063
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.87
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #2 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1400x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 76.22s, Average FPS: 26.24
Min FPS: 17.28 at frame 152, Max FPS: 31.57 at frame 1763
Average Tri/Sec: 27137172, Tri/Frame: 1034223
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #3 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 76.35s, Average FPS: 26.19
Min FPS: 16.65 at frame 153, Max FPS: 31.32 at frame 1764
Average Tri/Sec: 27098788, Tri/Frame: 1034527
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Beginning Run #4 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1900x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=1, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 82.76s, Average FPS: 24.17
Min FPS: 15.68 at frame 1944, Max FPS: 29.02 at frame 1747
Average Tri/Sec: 23331692, Tri/Frame: 965473
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.95
TimeDemo Play Ended, (1 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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9/28/2008 11:16:22 PM - Vista

Run #1- DX10 1280x1024 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 26.63

Run #2- DX10 1400x1050 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 26.24

Run #3- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 26.19

Run #4- DX10 1900x1200 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Last Average FPS: 24.17

and while your at it...gee, i could sure use 32 more shaders. diziam!

to funny. *LOL*

edit: make sure your running vista as well. no scaled down xp's

dont see you or vista in here anywhere... i could be wrong. if i am...i apologize...
http://service.futuremark.com/searc...0&hardwareshadows=-100&softwarefiltering=-100

 

Hmm.. looks like someone isn't up for the challenge that he thought he was. *shrugs* it's all good Kobe..the 7811FX rox heads

 

I bet I'm going to get smoked here, I should have stayed away.

 

Excuse me?

Not only are we going to do the 1280, but we’re also going to do 1900.

 

ummm, so what is all that?

 

I'm so sorry, I didn't have the crysis benchmark tool on Vista so I used the default test. I'll download the Crysis tool right now, so we'll be clear on everything.

anyway 1280x1024 was an average of 32.84..I'll be right back so we can clear things up, ok?

 

ok, so what benchmark tool was that?

 

So sorry this take so long, server will not let me log in. Hell, I had to download the benchmark tool and run the darn thing. You guys with your cool running 98GTS’s and cool running xTreme processors have to wait dammit!

Now here!

It was the default benchmark, but it's all good.

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looks good to me!

only 3 more resolutions to go...lol

 

OK, I thought you left!

I'll just do 1920, ok?

 

im around, just working.

 

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hummmm, it's looking like a tie..... the 8800m gtx has the 1280x1024 while the 9800m gts has the 1900x1200... interesting.....

oops, looks like you ran in dx9 mode....

 

It doesn't look like a tie, post a picture like I have of the whole score. I just ran it in DX10 and I only get average 17FPS!

 

hummm, sounds like we are a bit unhappy with our results are we?

 

Hell yeah we are! No freaking way you're going to only drop 1 - 2 FPS changing those resolutions from 1280 to 1900, no way!

Here is my 1680-1050 DX10 results.

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I bet you get like 9 average or less in 1900!

 

well....your really not going to be happy now then...re running them test. starting with the 1280x1024. *LOL*

 

it's going to take longer than 3 minutes to loop that demo 3 times, save screenshot and then post it.

 

bet your clevo on this.

 

nope...im using more than one computer...only thing holding me up right now is notebookreview and this 5 minute time delay that has been going on for some time now.

 

That is what your score should be! Just keep going, I can't wait.

 

and here ya go..



looks like i beat your 1680 score as well...for the time being...*LMAO*

 

I can't touch 26fps at 1900x1200, so you win.

 

it really wasn't about a win...just that the 9800m gts is a nice card and bit more than a slight upgrade from the 8800m gts. (talking abut the 8800m gts and not gtx)

 

Hmm.. us 98ers and our extreme processors, eh? You do have an excellent rig tho. Mad props to ya

 

Whatever, peace!

 

edit:

post was deleted because i found it was not a correct assumption of one Kobe_24

 

hahaha, i see you took down that fake score showing all medium in it at 38 frames!

*lmao*

 

Didn't say you did, you win!

 

Yeah, because I am pissed!

I can't touch 26FPS 1900x1200, so no need for me to cry over it. It might stop me from posting, but I'll get over it...I hope. You have a desktop score, so playing Crysis for you with your GTS at 1900x1200 kicks the chit out of mine.

 

i felt the same way when brainer beat me with a dual 7950 gtx rig against my 8800m gts.... but i found that i was not running my system right to begin with...went back and made a change here and there. and regained that title...*LOL*

 

It's cool, you did what some wished a long time ago...ran me off the forum!

 

I'm not going to gain it, because 17.46 and 18.01 is a long ways away from 26FPS!

 

not tying to run anyone out of nowhere, but i had to jump in there and rep the 9800m gts...*LOL* win, lose or draw.

really trying to see how far the gap is between the 9800m gts/gt/gtx (single card)

 

Rub it in will ya!?

I will tweak a little bit and use different drivers, as I am a sore loser! But mad props to you sir, you got me.

 

well my friends gateway is performing like your's is.. i simply cant believe the 9800m gts is this good?? not knocking it but why on earth would nvidia make the gts faster than the 9800gt???

 

just my 2 cents..
9/29/2008 9:15:47 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1900x1200, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 63.93s, Average FPS: 31.29
Min FPS: 19.95 at frame 143, Max FPS: 37.97 at frame 347
Average Tri/Sec: 24530262, Tri/Frame: 784048
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.17
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 57.86s, Average FPS: 34.57
Min FPS: 19.95 at frame 143, Max FPS: 39.11 at frame 382
Average Tri/Sec: 27356792, Tri/Frame: 791403
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.16
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 57.67s, Average FPS: 34.68
Min FPS: 19.95 at frame 143, Max FPS: 39.11 at frame 382
Average Tri/Sec: 27456024, Tri/Frame: 791731
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.16
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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9/29/2008 9:15:47 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX10 1900x1200 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 34.625

 

I don't know what's more amazing, the frames a second or the temps

 

thug..temps arent the ones I ran it with..sorry. I ran HWMonitor after, just to show everything. BELIEVE me, those aren't the temps.

 

NP,I was hoping they weren't! Ya, that's it!
I would really love to see the temps from a benchmark run, though.

 

gimme a couple minutes..

 

ok..2nd run:
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 62.05s, Average FPS: 32.23
Min FPS: 20.81 at frame 145, Max FPS: 38.34 at frame 1757
Average Tri/Sec: 24264938, Tri/Frame: 752839
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.22
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 57.17s, Average FPS: 34.99
Min FPS: 20.81 at frame 145, Max FPS: 39.18 at frame 385
Average Tri/Sec: 26623160, Tri/Frame: 760975
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.20
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 57.05s, Average FPS: 35.06
Min FPS: 20.81 at frame 145, Max FPS: 39.76 at frame 1757
Average Tri/Sec: 26705362, Tri/Frame: 761730
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.20
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Completed All Tests

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9/29/2008 11:41:05 PM - Vista 64

Run #1- DX10 1900x1200 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 35.025

Pics with max temps:

 

Better than the 9800m GT? Hardware wise no still 64 SP´s versus 96 SP´s. 9800m GTS starts off their clocks at core 600 compared to 9800m GT at 500. So really easy to push the 9800m GTS to Core 700+, meanwhile you must overvolt the 9800m GT to reach the same speeds.

However those shader processors isn´t there for nothing you know. I wouldn´t put a 64 SP card as better than a 96 SP card.

Crysis also relies on CPU speed. Those with an extreme CPU for instance do have a higher framerate than say an 2.5 GHz Core2Duo. Simple as that.

More and more games now is shader intensive and more will become that in the future, thus those extra 32 Shader Processors is really good to have. However the 9800m GTS is not a bad card at all as can be seen.

Some put that the new Crysis benchmark is flawed. I´m not sure, I always run with the built in .bat benchmark in the Crysis folder anyway.

 

Well if the 8800MGTX=9800M GT, and the 9800M GTS performs less than 1% less than the 9800M GT, then I guess the 8800M GTX is stronger by 1%.

 

Brilliant.. I like the way you think. +rep

 

Magnus, this is not a utility that performs it's own benchmark. It's just a GUI that interfaces the benchmark already built by/for Crysis. The .bat file, that you speak of.. I believe

 

Yes you are right E-wrecked

 

I know you're just informing of what some other people claim.. this isn't directed at you. But, how could it be flawed vs. the .bat run?

 

Actually I am not sure if it is flawed or not Just have read on other forums, but as you said how can it be flawed when it does use the same .bat.

Some claimed it has a bug. However I will download this util and test it myself. It is a nifty util and you have lots of control.

 

In reference to the original topic of this thread;

Basically, the 9800m GTS' framerate is comparable to that of the 9800m GT / 9800m GTX, why?, because of the higher clock speeds, and usually, the 9800m GTS is backed up by a powerful processor.

The 9800m GTS, paired up with the Intel Core 2 Extreme X9100, can really get higher framerates than a 8800m GTX / 9800m GT or a 9800m GTX at Crysis for example, due to its clock speed alone, mind you, think of it as Dual Core VS Quad Core, this being the Higher Clock Speed Dual Core.

Now, we take a 9800m GT, paired up with any processor that does not bottleneck it, let's say, T9400, now, since Crysis is dependant on the CPU-Power as well, a video card won't be the only bottleneck for the game, but also a slow processor, not saying that the T9400 is slow or anything, but, the X9100 beats it at clock speed, and Crysis gives it a slower framerate, let's think of this as Quad Core, this being the Lower Clock Speed Quad Core.

Notice something?, sure, the 9800m GTS' Clock Speed and the X9100's Clock Speed matter more than the count of shader processors in the 9800m GT, if it is paired with a T9400, but, if Crysis' settings are turned to Very High, and the resolution is sent rocketing to 1920x1200, then there is higher of a chance for the 9800m GT to beat the 9800m GTS no matter what processor it is paired with, the reason?, the higher number of Shader Processors, which do the shading, the more shader-intensive the game is, the faster than the 9800m GTS the 9800m GT and GTX will play it, although, there are not a lot of too shader-intensive games, except for Crysis, Crysis Warhead and Mass Effect, it is like the situation of Dual Core VS Quad Core right now, most of the applications are Single-Threaded, and some are Double-Threaded, and the Higher-Clock-Speed Dual Core wins, but, only a few of them are Multi-Threaded, and on Multi-Threaded is where the Quad Core shines.

Now, as some have asked before, why is it that the 9800m GTS' SM 2.0 and 3.0 are lower and sometimes much lower than those of the 9800m GT and GTX?, the reason, those measure the shading power of the card, at shading power, the GTS does not stand a chance against the GT or GTX (64 Shader Processors VS 96 Shader Processors and 112 Shader Processors).

Games that are really shader-intensive will show the difference between the GTS, GT and GTX, but, those are not too abundant, but their number is growing as newer games come out, on normal / non-shader-intensive games, you won't notice a difference in performance between a GTS, a GT and a GTX.

The 9800m GTS, is nothing more but an overclocked 8800m GTS (which was weaker than the 8800m GTX) with a newer core that allows for more overclocking, but it is really working on the edge of its performance, and overclocking it even further can lead to disastrous outcomes in the middle-long / long-term, it is like adding Nitro to a Honda, its engine might take it, but not for long, and if you add even more Nitro... well, the engine might just stop working, or explode in a rain of metallic shrapnel.