9800m GS/GT VERY hot

Hi guys,
I use an Asus g50VT-X1 laptop that has either a 9800m GS (as shown when I just updated the driver, as well as the sticker) OR a 9800m GT (as shown by all my gpu programs like GPUZ before the driver update).
Anyhow it runs.. quite hot.

For instance, when I'm playing a game the graphics card can hit up to 105 Celsius. This seems to throttle the graphics card and drop my fps to around 3.

Even idling yesterday/ Just using AIM and the internet (without videos, generally reading) my GPU stayed in the mid to low 70s.

At this moment, with 1 Internet window open (Chrome) + GPU-Z, I'm getting a temperature of 67 degrees.

I tried to use a few programs, but RivaTuner and SpeedFan don't seem to work (Rivatuner lacks the fan adjustment tab and SpeedFan does not detect any fans). Expertool gives me some sort of error, due to an incorrect display.

I do not know what company made my graphics card (other than nVidia), otherwise if it is EVGA I may try their program.

This is getting frustrating, getting throttled on a game is NOT fun, especially when it is online.

Anything you guys can offer? Oh, since I did not have any canned air, I used a hair dryer on the cool settings to see if I could dislodge any dust.

 

you usually can't control the fan speed of the gpu. Also have you recently cleaned out the fan and heatsink? Also has it always been this way? the thermal paste might not have been right. Do you still have a warranty? If so you can RMA it.

 

Open it up and clean it better? o_o Use a notebook cooler if you haven't already and repaste your thermal paste. Idling at that temperature is quite dangerous actually... Has it been like that since you got it or did it just heat up abnormally recently?

My 9800M GT actually idles around the 40s and peaks at 70s ._.

Damn ninja'd by DCMAKER >:[ -Bites-

 

You have to take the notebook apart.
Clean out the dust (make sure you clean between the heatsink and the fan).

While you have it open, change the thermal paste.

EDIT: Wow some people answer fast.

 

Repaste that sucker. Now. That's what I did with my G73 and it reduced load temps during gaming by about 15C.

Get a cooling pad. I generally consider cooling pads pretty unnecessary add ons, particularly if you have a laptop that runs fairly cool, but they can help.

Undervolt - You could get a vBIOS editor and change the voltage of the card, but again, that's generally pretty unnecessary.

Copper shim mod - There's a few people on here, like Forge, who have done copper mods in their laptops to reduce temps, but this can be time consuming and if you don't know what you are doing, you could damage something.

And probably the simplest thing of all, and the best thing is to just clean out your fans and vents with some compressed air. This, in all honesty, can mean the difference between a severely overheating notebook, and one that runs both cool and quiet.

 

I doubt it is under warranty.. but I don't think I will be able to open up my laptop (both currently don't have the tools (screwdriver) and may not be allowed by my parents..
IF I CAN however, where could I buy thermal paste (ie Best Buy); not online?
Also how should I clean it? Use a cloth without any water?

EDIT: I'm not sure if it always ran this high. I just got GPU-Z recently.
I do now that when I last played games on it (somewhat powerful PC games) it throttled to very low fps. But when I played it a few months ago (not sure how many months); I could play Fallout 3 easily without any lag except for the occasional lag when first logging in/ panning the camera quickly.

 

Read this and see which options you can go for. I'm not sure where you can get a thermal paste sorry

If you do can take it apart, use a cotton swab and pull out all the big chunks of dust with it. Then blow it around with compressed air or your hairdryer whichever works

A few months is enough for lots of dust to accumulate really...

 

go to newegg and get rosewell tool kit. i just got it on say a week ago for 12 bucks. it is on sale on and off. It's a great tool kit and will have nearly everything you need.

EDIT:use google shopping and look up artic silver 5 very good paste. Also go to artic silver 5's site and read the HOW TO GUIDE! IT IS CRUCIAL YOU DO IT RIGHT!

 

Hmm. So I just looked under my laptop where the intake fan seems to be.. There are 3 screws there, 2 are normal looking, the third is deeply embedded in the laptop; near the hole is the letter K and an arrow pointing to it. I read somewhere that Asus computers use a special screwdriver that's basically custom made? Can of air is easy to get and I can probably get a screwdriver somewhere assuming I am wrong about the special screwdriver.

Any replacements for AS5? I notice the only store that carries it is not very close to me.

 

It shouldn't use a proprietary screw. My G73 had regular screws all the way through it. What does this third screw look like?

As for thermal pastes, I would recommend ICD7, Shin Etsu X23, or Shin Etsu G751. ICD7 is the paste I used on both my laptops, and it works quite well. Shin Etsu is the brand that Intel uses to test their processors, but it is also quite hard to find. You'll most likely only find it on Ebay, or in specialist stores.

Also, make sure you know how to apply the paste you are going to use. Different pastes have different recommended methods of application. For example, ICD7 is generally recommended to put a 5mm sized "pea" on the processor or GPU die, and them clamp or screw the heatsink down on top of it. AS5 is supposed to be spread out evenly in a thin layer over the CPU or GPU die.

 

Ok well.. I counted wrong. Very wrong (somehow I only saw 3 screws where there were about 7). At any rate the plate of plastic is bordered with a few regular looking screws (cross shaped). The one with the K arrow looks like..the same as the other screws its just very deep in a hole (probably an inch down at an angle) but that special screw is literally right by the intake fan so its probably to remove the fan filter. Looks like I need to buy the paste off of Amazon one way or the other so what do you recommend more, ICD7 or Arctic 5?

 

my asus has that too. Thee K is telling you what screw is there. It's a guide so you do not put wrong screws in the wrong place. As i said you can get artic silver 5 for pretty cheap online and get the rosewell kit. it'll have everything you need to take it again and apply paste

 

Thanks; I can get the screwdrivers and the AS5 fairly easily.
Would I ever need the pliers or anything else that's in the Rosewell Kit?

 

I'll give a shout out to Tunix TX-4 and Gelid GC-Extreme. Great performance, and stupidly easy to spread. I'd recommend them over ICD7 or the Shin-Etsus because of their easy application.

Screws are standard. I don't know the exact measurements, but I know my 50vt-X6, G51vx-RX05, and MSI GX660R all take the same screwdriver.

Once you get the bottom panel off, use compressed air to blow "out" through the fan, while using a screwdriver to keep the fan in place. (Fans don't like it when they spin without power).

If that doesn't bring down temperatures to your satisfaction, you'll have to undo your heatsinks and try a new thermal paste application. (Look up G50 disassembly guide for a how-to).

If I remember correctly, the G50 GPU sits fairly flush against the heatsink, so you probably won't need a copper shim. However, if you decide to replace your thermal pads, you might end up having to add one in.

Lastly, if you notice that you're having a hard time lifting the heatsink from the GPU, warm it up with a hairdryer for a few moments. Sometimes the thermal pads get really dry and sticky, and need heat to become pliable again. (That said, if they're dry like that, it's time to get new ones).



By the way, Fading, your GPU is a 9800m G[T]S. I remember after updating drivers on my G50vt-X6, GPU-Z identified my GPU as a 9800m GT.

 

Yeah mine said GT and GS. Wish it was GTS.
Wouldn't it be good to apply the paste to the cpu and gpu parts anyhow?

 

A GTS is simply an overclocked GS. (A GTX is better than a GT, whch is better than a GTS, which is better than a GS)

As for applying thermal paste, yes, it's a good thing. The question, though, is are you comfortable with it? Have you done it before?

 

Haven't done it before, but I would use a guide to do it.. I'd have to start sometime.

And I have NO idea what gpu I have. I guess GPU-Z is right when it says the name isn't very reliable. GTX would be nice.

Edit: Internet makes my computer hit 74...

 

Hmm. Since you have GPU-Z open, see if you're downclocking correctly. Also check to see if your fan is spinning.

And, trust me, it's a 9800m G[T]S. I had that laptop before. Well, the X6 version, but they're basically the same.

 

here is the throttlestop guide so you can read it over and better understand it too.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...arket-upgrades/531329-throttlestop-guide.html

Also this tell you how to make a GS to a GTS. So if you got a GS it can be turned into a GTS, which is faster.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...3940-why-how-make-your-9800m-gs-into-gts.html

 

Hi, so I haven't underclocked the gpu because I still want to game with it and underclocking would essentially hinder me?
Throttlestop guide seems to be for cpu not gpu.. I thought the gpu throttles itself so that it doesn't overheat and get damaged if the temps get too high (around 105)
GS --> GTS actually sounds amazing.
Any reason why the computer sticker said GS but every program I ran said GT until the latest driver install?

Edit: GPU-Z does not mention anything about rpm or fan...

 

lol my bad...i had a brain fart. I didn't mean to post throttle stop guide in yours lol...posting in too many threads lol

EDIT:Though throttle stop will help you with making your cpu faster ^^ You might find it useful

 

Perhaps after I get that gpu temp normalized. At least I know mine has a preset overclock to 2.49ghz on a p8400

Also for unscrewing do I need a magnetic screwdriver?

 

no...don't use magnet ones...they can damage hardware....unlikely but still not the best thing to use.

 

Huh. Always thought you needed a pretty powerful magnet to damage the insides.

 

like i said it can...unlikely but can. I prefer to not use one.

 

Thanks. Just making sure. Well hopefully I can get that can of air soon..

Just making sure:
before I open:
1) Turn off power
2) Unplug
3) Remove battery
4) Hold power button for 10 seconds to discharge electricity
5) Begin unscrewing and cleaning process

Also how clean of an area do I need to work in? Realistically dust will be flying around; that shouldn't damage anything right?

 

you want to make sure you have static free surface. so don't be on carpet. Ideally you'll want static free bags but i doubt you have those. Also make sure you touch some metal first to remove any static. Dust...just pick the least dusty/sandy area. Also i never have done the power thing before but that's a good idea. Also make sure you hold the can of air right so it doesn't shoot out the cold compressed air on the laptop. It can freeze and make condensation. That's all i can think of.

EDIT: don't touch anything you don't need to ^^ Also make sure you don't forget screws in case when you close it and the motherboard isn't touching any part of the case. Or the motherboard touching metal that is touching the case....that happened in my desktop -_- the GFX card metal panel that you screw in case touched the mobo and case :/

 

I used a magnetic tip screwdriver when I repasted both my G73 and Toshiba A300. It is highly unlikely for a notebook to be damaged by one.You would need a VERY strong magnet to break a hard drive.

As a matter of fact, I would recommend using one. Stops those pesky little screws from falling inside your notebook, where you can't get them.

 

Right I'm just aiming for the fan. Should I blast it both ways (toward the side vent and intake area)?

 

i would blast is several ways to loose it. Then blast it one way(the way the air blows out)

 

Using several angles make sense but it will be OK to blast it at an angle where the dust could (possibly) go toward the intake area?

 

Recommended. I've worked with both laptops and desktops, and a magnetic screwdriver is a incredibly useful.

It's quite easy to do. You can either do a vBIOS mod or just overclock in the OS. Either way, works easy enough.

Drivers are weird like that, especially modded laptop drivers. Don't worry about it.

What about clocks. 74C while doing browsing indicates that your GPU isn't downclocking to 2D clocks.

As long as your laptop is nice and open, doesn't matter much. Ideally, you want to blow outwards, but as logn as you sweep the fan area you'll be fine if yo ublow inwards, too. Just be thorough, and don't be stingy with the air.

 

CLocks:
Core clock: 168.8 MHz
Memory Clock: 100.00 MHz
Shader CLock: 337.5 MHz
Temperature: 73.0 C
Memory Used: 57 MB
GPU Load: 3%
Memory Controller Load: 5%
Video Engine Load: 0%
VDDC: 0.9000V

 

Woah. So you are downclocked and it's still at 73C. Yep. Dust that sucker.

 

Yep. Planning on doing that tomorrow. Then hopefully a small stress test via game. I hope I don't need to go through and use a thermal cooler..Even though it would be good to use.
Really wish I could control the fan though.

 

your telling me...my thing runs hotter than hell. Me and forge have/had the same laptop. i am just starting to do his mod.

 

What mod is this; the copper trick? How hot does your laptop run?

Also what is a safe temp. for mine? Around 80-90 during games?

 

yea 80-90 is fine. Go to my link in my sig called "General thread 4 all ur OCing tweaking needs...work in progress" It has it their called forge's copper mod. I was looking at everything else i got to add and there is so much that i have found...i don't even want to start adding all thee threads i found on performance boosting lol

 

I would totally do the copper mod if I was allowed to/trusted myself.
I also plan on using some of those tweaks when I get that darn heat issue taken care of ^.^ Great thread there.

Edit: Wow copper is confusing..

 

The cooling system of G50VT isn't very efficient, especially if you overclock the CPU/GPU, which will really push the cooling to the limit. You are gonna have to do a couple of things to keep this thing cool.

As people mentioned above, repasting the thermal paste of your CPU/GPU, undervolting your CPU(this helps reducing your cpu AND GPU temp a lot since they both share the same and only fan), copper mod(if you plan to change the thermal pad), a quality laptop cooler, all will help you cooling down the temp.

There is something nobody mentioned yet, or at least I have not seen yet, the backpanel mod: you can drill some small holes in the "fake speaker" area on the backpanel too if you want, I personally find it helps a great deal, not sure if you would go that far though. You gotta remove the black film cover thing pasted on the backplate before you do the drilling. I have the same laptop as you, after those software/hardware mods my overclocked 9800M gs usually peaks at 77 C, and my CPU is overclocked too.

 

Sounds great; personally I don't trust myself with copper or drilling things. I'm going to vacuum everything, and then undervolt or overvolt if necessary to get the GTS mod. If the temps aren't good I'll have to paste it.

 

my g51j would hit 105C in 15second running furmark alone with underclocking 500/800/1250 clocks. I cut out the whole area of the speaker a 1.5inch diameter hole effectively. So the whole fan is open to take in air. That alone made it drop to 95-100C in furmark with my over clocks set to 580 970 1450 ^^ So that was a huge difference considering the 16% difference in clock speed ^^ Now wait to see how much lower it''ll be when i drill a 1/8th inch whole every centimeter ^^ Plus my laptop cooler sucks and i am going to replace the fans with better ones. So after that i bet it wont break 90C in furmark. Then with copper mod it'll be completely different ^^

EDIT: all you need to do is take the back panel off and drill, wire brush, saw, or cut that 1.5 inch hole and that'll drop your temps a ton. a good 10C under stress i bet

 

Cutting out the area with the speaker didn't damage it?
If you mean the same back panel that I do.. Isn't that the area that has the battery, ac adapter hole, etc?

Would think that if you drilled a larger hole then there are more holes for dust and such to accumulate? Also stray water would be even more damaging?

 

no no no its on the bottom of the case....it looks like a vent or speaker. it has the silver trim around it and the black plastic is mesh

 

Yeah, it's not as difficult as it sounds, really, just as DCMAKER said. Not only will it help reducing your temp, it will also make your laptop cooler MUCH MORE effective, before the mod, my Zalman NC2000 cooler could only lower the GPU temp by around 5 C, barely worth the price you pay for such a cooler(over 50$), after the drilling, the zalman makes the GPU run about 12-15 C cooler!

I suggest you do the cleaning and undervolting first, they are very easy to do and will bring down the temp a lot too. See how much improvement you gain after that and make decision later whether you want to do other mods. But seriously, if you plan to overclock your CPU/GPU, those steps are almost mandatory to keep your components cool.

 

Oh that circular thingy. What exactly is it? Intake hole?

 

its appears to be designed to be an intake whole for air with a mesh filter but that mesh is like 2 mm thick plastic with 2 layers of metal covering it....so no its not an intake but it does look like it was supposed to be one but they just covered it up. Note when you make that big hole where the fan intake is. You will need to clean it every 2 months to get the dust out.

 

That's just odd. So a giant mesh hole that does nothing..?

Why cant you drill the hole and remesh so the cleaning wouldn't be so difficult?

 

Those grill thing is like fake speaker and serves absolutely no purpose other than decoration, many G50 users on the asus forum removed the plastic cover and did the drilling mod, search the ASUS forum, there is a whole big thread about the mod.

 

It was probably going to be an intake hole, but Asus skimped on it. It chokes off the fan, depriving it of a fresh source of air.



The heatsink isn't so hard to play with. Looks like this after mods.

Lots and lots of holes are recommended, too