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    9800m GS/GT VERY hot

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by fadingxero, Dec 4, 2010.

  1. DCMAKER

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    lol forge looks like you got alot of use out of those heatsinks lol
     
  2. fadingxero

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    Lots and lots of puny holes apparently. Unfortunately,
    1) I lack a drill
    2) Not very trusting of drilling
    3) Cleaning every two months O.O
     
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    its really not that hard. Since you will have that hole you wont need to take off back panel Just put the can-o-air into that hole and spray away
     
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    Good point.

    Why not literally punch out that giant mesh instead of drilling it?
    And by punch out I mean any way of simply removing it. Not literally driving your fist into that small hole.

    Why would they put an uncompleted fan intake there anyways? Even if it was complete it would require a laptop cooler or a strong elevation/ literally on the lap? Cross ventilation wouldn't be better?
     
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    because asus cuts a lot of corners....at least this is what i have seen over the past couple years. Also i wouldn't make it bigger than the fan hole...just makes more room for dust and other things to enter and i am more of a fan of making things less intrusive if possible. Also the down side of removing the thing with a big 1.5inch hole is the fact that the fan is visible and touch able...so can get in there or caught. I am now every careful of what surfaces i put it on now since i dont want my blanket getting sucked into it or whatever else. If you set it down on couches bed and stuff i recommend you just make a bunch of holes in the intake area. I took the whole area out becuase i overclock and my barrack room is always hot as balls. Also with how bad your temps are i am assume 2 things are the problem. One its clogged with dust and/or your thermal paste is bad. I am betting your thermal paste is bad because your temps are worse than mine were and i got a cpu and gpu that pulls way more power so something doesn't add up and i am betting you need to redo the paste.

    EDIT: going to bed so i'll check back later
     
  6. fadingxero

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    Probably. That would be step two probably. Step 1 is simply getting the canned air. That seems fairly easy to do. Just making sure, the air can't damage anything right? If I spray it and it hits something that isn't the fan then nothing bad should happen (assuming its a very short period of time). I really want to make a DIY laptop cooler for some reason..

    On the intake hole, since it is underneath, isn't a laptop cooler necessary to make a really good difference?

    Yep something is very wrong. 7 internet tabs + internet addons + single youtube video = 85 degrees...
     
  7. DCMAKER

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    lol yea thats horrible. Thee air won't hurt anything. Just be careful you don't tilt the can where it blows out th cold co2...i think its co2. It can make condensation that's all. And do this turned off and without a battery. Spray as much as you want make sure its clean and tell us if there is a lot of dust coming out.
     
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    Yup will do. Should be done tomorrow (today). At the very least I should be able to swab out the obvious pieces of dust.

    In case of canned air not being available, could a hairdryer on cool mode work?

    Or is it the little straw in the canned air that directs the spray what really helps it besides coming out with a fair amount of pressure?
     
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    you need the pressure blow dryer wont work
     
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    Not necessarily. I mean, it will do better, of course, but giving the fan some fresh air to breathe will do wonders.
     
  11. DCMAKER

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    i do position my laptop cooler to blow into the intake hole ^^ it has 3 fans and that left fan blows almost directly into the hole so that does help too. Double fan power! lol
     
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    OK so I just dusted it off.

    Hrrm.. Not so good I guess. Improvement nevertheless. I didn't really know how much to spray so I just kept hitting different angles and cotton swabbing out dust.

    At any rate.. Computer started at 49 Celsius and is slowly climbing. Currently 56 after being on the Internet (no videos) for about 5 minutes. I think I'll have to thermal paste it.. gotta figure out where exactly though..

    7 minute edit: no videos yet but now at 62. I may respray it later.. reading on how to use silver paste...
    22 minute edit: 69 no videos yet
     
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    omg yes. When i took apart my old toshiba, i think a screw fell into the notebook atleast twice. Luckily it didn't damage anything lol.
     
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    Just re aired it.. I really dislike canned air.. Could be dangerous when the liquid part sprays out sometimes...

    Anyhow the earliest I can paste is probably next week. And tons of dust came out.
     
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    The liquids are just condensed (Is that the right term?) harmless gasses. Don't worry about it. Just make sure to give your laptop a minute for the liquid to evaporate before turning it on.

    Also, if lots of dust came out, keep on blasting until you're sure it's clean. Dust can really fudge up a radiator.
     
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    Yeah condensing it would make it a gas. So lets say theoretically.. it got on the mobo or something. After if finished sizzling into a gas it wouldn't have damaged the system?

    And I basically had to blow from the air outside in to get rid of most of the dust build up because I can't really rotate the can and it can't really reach the filter otherwise.

    I need to find a thermal paste guide..

    Anyhow its running at a MUCH cooler 52 degrees. Although no videos or games yet but still. 20 degrees difference.
     
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    now if you cut out that fake intake you can drop another 5c idle and 10-15c gaming/overclocking ^^
     
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    Any easy ways to do that without a drill? I have a pocketknife..

    How much can I expect if I can locate the gpu and cpu areas and paste it up?
     
  19. moral hazard

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    After you change the paste and clean it from the inside, it should max out around 80C.

    My 9800m GS used to idle at 42C in my GT627, got to 82C max with furmark while overclocked.

    While playing games it was under 70C (though I'm sure something like crysis or metro 2033 would take it higher since they really push GPUs).
     
  20. fadingxero

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    You mean removing the old paste or simply that canned air stuff?

    Also, if i mod my graphics card to 9800m GTS, how much hotter should it run?
     
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    not sure. If your paste is bad than you could see like 5-15C change. If your paste isn't bad than using AS5 you should only see a 5C or so change. Remember that these number's are coming out of my butt and are sheer ballpark numbers.

    Now for drilling....take off the back panel and go into the shower to drill it so you can wash the plastic down the drain...easy clean up. Also i rinsed the bottom case in the shower too. I did this to get off all excess plastic off so it didn't get in the fan or float around the laptop and melt ^^. Also using a pocket knife will never work....you got like 3mm of plastic to cut through....I tried using my roommates KAR-BAR and that didn't do anything lol. Just take the bottom case off and do it in the shower will take 5 mins and than 1 min to rinse and 15 mins to dry. Just lightly wipe the bulk of the water off and then let it air dry. Be careful that no paper towel/cloth sticks to the case....actually just pat it dry and let air dry the rest off
     
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    When I had the 9800m GS I changed the paste as soon as I got the notebook, make sure you remove all of the old paste.
    Mine was dried on really well, had to scrape it off with a card (a plastic card that came with some old thermal paste).

    Suggest you apply some paste, then put the heatsink on and take it back off to see if the paste spread well.
    Then clean up the paste and apply again.
    Bit of a waste of paste, but you will be able to get a perfect amount so you temps will be nice.

    I used the pea method as shown here:
    YouTube - How Thermal Compound Spreads (MX-2 Edition)

    No air bubbles ;)
     
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    I'm using Antec Formula 5.

    If I do drill it (big maybe); Do I just do away with the whole thing or just part of the center..?

    Also; watching a video for a couple of minutes skyrocketed me to 59 degrees.

    Numbers seem ok? It wasn't HD or anything.
     
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    No bubbles? The temps a gpu runs at should make all air expand and move out of that area wo why would bubbles matter?

    Also only remove the spot where the fan is. Just take a knife and mark where to start and than make a 1 inch hole. Take it back to laptop and set it on top see where your hole is compared to the fan and widen it as needed.
     
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    How would a bubble escape if the paste surrounds it?

    I don't know, if you don't care about air bubbles then all of those threads about not spreading paste with a credit card are wrong. It wouldn't make any difference how you apply paste as long as you cover the die. That just doesn't sound fun.
     
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    Mmm Ok. The inside of my laptop confused me. I saw something that had the intel sticker on it. But it covered it completely and was a rectangle. Thought they made processors but it definitely did not look like a cpu.

    Everything should be seeable when I undo that big panel to access the fan? Or is there hidden stuff where I literally have to undo the case?
     
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    you have the intel 1000 ABGN wireless card i bet

    hidden stuff huh? Ask forge about removing the heat sink fan....havent done that one yet
     
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    Now there were 2 giant.. rectangles when I opened up the laptop. I assume 1 was the hard drive and the other... Not really sure. PSU maybe?

    Anyhow the processor should be a square type thing with pins on the underside and the graphics card should be green, like the motherboard and have a mini fan on it?
     
  29. jerg

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    @ fadingxero

    Just take a photo of the underside, and post it here, people can help you with much higher efficiency :p.
     
  30. fadingxero

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    Good point. Will probably do that Monday or Tuesday.
     
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    Knock yourself out. Some parts might look different because this is a slighty different version, but it's pretty much the same.

    Make sure you have thermal paste on hand before removing the heatsink.
     
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    VGA is the video card? Heat sine = heak sink?

    Also my Antec Formula 5 only mentions use on cpu. Safe on graphics card as well?
     
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    Yes, yes, and yes.
     
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