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    9800m GTX SLI vs. ATI CrossFire HD 3870

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by ArmageddonAsh, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. ArmageddonAsh

    ArmageddonAsh Mangekyo Sharingan

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    just curious anyone know which will perform better in games and last longer? im not too bothered about 3d marks or anything - but an idea what would score wouldnt hurt :D
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 24, 2008
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    you know that means four 3870s right?
     
    SuperNova1, Oct 24, 2008
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  3. ArmageddonAsh

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    :D ooops my mistake i meant ATI CrossFire HD3870 :D
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 24, 2008
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    Dude, combined with your avatar, sig and your actual post...thats a lot of smiles :eek:
    Ironic considering your name has armageddon in it :p

    Anyway, back on topic: I think the 9800m GTX SLI are...all speculation tho.
     
    Lakjin, Oct 24, 2008
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  5. ArmageddonAsh

    ArmageddonAsh Mangekyo Sharingan

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    what can i say i love the smilies :D
    i have hit the jackpot - better smilies :elvis:

    any 3d mark scores?
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 24, 2008
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  6. tornbacchus

    tornbacchus GO leafs.. Wait, Nevermid

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    theres some in the ocz forums.
     
    tornbacchus, Oct 24, 2008
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    equal me thinks, i would say the 3870's have the edge, depending on how optimized the drivers are.
     
    narsnail, Oct 25, 2008
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    3870 may have more edge but the 9800m gtx will run games smoother even at lower frames, ati's cards stutter in many games especially in crossfire, i mean look at the complaints with the ati cards in crysis and farcry2, plsu i tried a 4870 and had the same issue
     
    HaloGod2007, Oct 25, 2008
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    9800gtx SLi is slightly faster than 3870 according to KN
     
    samwY, Oct 25, 2008
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  10. ArmageddonAsh

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    i dont really mind if its slightly faster but if its really noticable then i would be worried
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 25, 2008
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    not really noticable. plus all u have to do is get 4870 when it comes :)
     
    samwY, Oct 25, 2008
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  12. ArmageddonAsh

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    any idea when thats out?
    what a single one compares to?
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 25, 2008
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    I think the true measurement of which card will give you the best bang for the buck is which card is more future proof.

    Right now, people with the 9800 GTX SLI are saying they are not even seeing that much of a difference in performance over 9800 GT in SLI.

    Could there be a new driver in the mix that will unleash the power in this card if it is truly under performing?
     
    ojchillinndc, Oct 25, 2008
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  14. Dustin Sklavos

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    9800M GTX SLI will be faster and smoother. RV670 in Crossfire is not so hot, I used to run a pair of HD 3850s. RV670 also trips and chokes on itself the instant AA is enabled.

    I will counter HaloGod and say that the Radeon HD 4870, however, is silky smooth, and will be pretty awesome when it hits notebooks. At 8xAA the improved ROPs on the 4870 can meet or exceed the GTX 280 in some instances.
     
    Dustin Sklavos, Oct 25, 2008
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  15. ArmageddonAsh

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    any idea when the Radeon HD 4870 will be out for notebooks? i could hold off if its that much of an improvement over the 3870
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 25, 2008
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    some time in march 2009
     
    person135, Oct 25, 2008
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    That late huh? Do you have a source on this?
     
    Rahul, Oct 25, 2008
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    im thinking xmas, the 3870 was so delayed, they MUST be working on something else.
     
    narsnail, Oct 25, 2008
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    here's the thing, im just getting my affairs in order but within the next two weeks, im buying a nagamaki with dual 3870s in the setup... Do I have to be worried for running games like farcry 2/GTA 4/Assassin's Creed/Fallout 3 (Oblvion)? I mean right now my desktop is running oblivion on 4x aa with high settings on a 1680x1050 resolution with tolerable lag on an x800xt platinum AGP, thats what I used for reference.
     
    Shmurrr, Oct 25, 2008
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  20. NGH

    NGH Notebook Evangelist

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    I've heard 3 months from now
     
    NGH, Oct 25, 2008
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  21. samwY

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    u dont have to worry
     
    samwY, Oct 26, 2008
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  22. ArmageddonAsh

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    im hearing about 3 months - thats okay i wont have all the money together for between 3 and 6months anyway, but that depends on hw quick i can sell my 9262 and how much i get for it.

    ill most likly wait for a couple of week to a month after they have come out so i can get an idea of how good they are before deciding on what to do.
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 26, 2008
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  23. Kevin

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    How about we cite some concrete sources on all of this 4870 release date talk.
     
    Kevin, Oct 26, 2008
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  24. SonyVaioAW

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    Is there a computer of any sort that has 4GB of VRAM?
    I'm not too up to date with all of this... :p
     
    SonyVaioAW, Oct 26, 2008
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  25. mhuff

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    how about comparison of just 9800M GTX vs crossfire 3870?
     
    mhuff, Oct 26, 2008
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  26. ArmageddonAsh

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    i havent seen many of those about but ive seen a good one with the 8800m GTX against the 3870 in CrossFire
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 26, 2008
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    link, or it didn't happend
     
    ARom, Oct 26, 2008
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    source, post a source, or delete.
     
    ARom, Oct 26, 2008
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  29. ArmageddonAsh

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    maybe it was just thier guess?
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 26, 2008
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  30. DRTH_STi

    DRTH_STi can't.stop.buying.laptops

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    two 4870's will dominate the 9800GTX easily. Right now if you are puchasing the OCZ whitebook - I think it would be wise to just purchase one 3870 with it - and upgrade two 2 x 4870's later and just sell off the 3870. That's the best option IMOP.
     
    DRTH_STi, Oct 26, 2008
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  31. ArmageddonAsh

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    yeah but one 3870 aint as good a one 8800m GTX, so i think ill wait til the 4870's come out and upgrade to them

    any idea what 4870 in CrossFire will do against 9800m GTX SLI?
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 26, 2008
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    Anyone know the wattage of the 3870?
     
    Kevin, Oct 26, 2008
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    Shmurrr Notebook Guru

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    while that would shave off about $250 from my setup, if there's a dated source that the 4870s will come around by new year's or at least the start of q2, I might consider doing it... In the meantime though, with one 3870 and a QX9300 for cpu horsepower, will problems start to show up for the games I aforementioned in my last post on this thread?
     
    Shmurrr, Oct 26, 2008
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    DRTH_STi can't.stop.buying.laptops

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    think about it - these cards are but a couple months away and honestly that's like 250 saved. + it's the pain of selling TWO x 3870's instead of 1. Trust me with the economy the way it is nobody wants to buy even if there's a great deal going on that they should pick up in an instant. like the notebook in my sig for instance.
     
    DRTH_STi, Oct 26, 2008
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  35. ArmageddonAsh

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    im not sure, i would say wait for the 4870's ive seen (as in from posts on net) two 3870 doing quite good in games but not one. two of them seemto be good / better then a single 8800m GTX
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 26, 2008
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  36. ARom

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    Who needs uninformed guesses as a source of information... I don't give a '--; about their 'guess'.
     
    ARom, Oct 26, 2008
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  37. ArmageddonAsh

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    well a rough guess aint going to hurt.
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 26, 2008
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    so far there are only speculations of 4870 and couple of fake pics around the internet. It took ATI pretty long to release the mobile version of 3870 so I wouldn't get to excited for now. The GTX SLI for now is the absolute king in the mobile performance.
     
    MastaMarek, Oct 26, 2008
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  39. Shmurrr

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    ****it... But I wanna play fallout 3 and farcry as soon as I get it on 30+FPS with max settings on 1920x1200!
     
    Shmurrr, Oct 26, 2008
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    its king but dual 3870 is king for performance/price ratio
    remember, you're not getting any large performance advantage with the GTX SLi
     
    samwY, Oct 26, 2008
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  41. chesieofdarock

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    First, double posting i shighly unnecessary.

    Second, Although these may be guesses, lets not be so quick ot judge there.

    And if they are guesses who cares, maybe others ar einterestedin seeing what other members think. I don't think deleting thier posts would be necessary for any reason.
     
    chesieofdarock, Oct 26, 2008
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  42. MastaMarek

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    yes performance to price its the best deal so far. But I think the $1999 deal from Toshiba with SLI GTS will be very close to 3870 in crossfire. So the Ocz whitebook wont hod its throne here for a long time. Also I yet have to see some OCZ Crysis benchmarks cause 17fps in everything maxed out is far far less from what GTX SLI can achieve so the performance increase is very noticeable.
     
    MastaMarek, Oct 26, 2008
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    no comparison on that. gtx's are still riding the high ground i just got 23 frames on very high, but then...my gtx's aren't working correctly....
     
    Johnksss, Oct 26, 2008
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    whoa!? 4GB of Vram!? Crysis maxed with 4xAA at 2560x1600 will not require more framebuffer than 1.2GB. to fully use the 4BG Vram. I'd imagine 1024bit pipe with GDDR5. so not today mate.

    as of the topic: I have heard that ATi card scales better in CF and they can handle AA better. is that true?
     
    660hpv12, Oct 27, 2008
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  45. ArmageddonAsh

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    from wehat i have seen it seems that the higher the res and AA the better the performance with CrossFire
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 27, 2008
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    yes, point me to these..im rather interested in this...
     
    Johnksss, Oct 27, 2008
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  47. ArmageddonAsh

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    sure, ill try and find them :D
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 27, 2008
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    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 27, 2008
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    Johnksss, Oct 27, 2008
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  50. ArmageddonAsh

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    here same review, maybe you missed it?

    http://translate.google.com/transla....com/?page_id=4554&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en

    http://translate.google.com/transla....com/?page_id=4554&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en

    and crysis warhead

    http://portables4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crysis-warhead-1280x800-ambush.jpg

    http://portables4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crysis-warhead-1280x800-avalanche.jpg

    http://portables4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crysis-warhead-1280x800-frost.jpg

    http://portables4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crysis-warhead-1440x900-ambush.jpg

    http://portables4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crysis-warhead-1440x900-avalanche.jpg

    http://portables4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crysis-warhead-1440x900-frost.jpg

    http://portables4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crysis-warhead-1920x1200-ambush-150x132.jpg

    http://portables4gamers.com/wp-cont...rysis-warhead-1920x1200-avalanche-150x132.jpg

    http://portables4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crysis-warhead-1920x1200-frost.jpg
     
    ArmageddonAsh, Oct 27, 2008
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