AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

Your point is..?

GTX 560 TI had 384 cores. GTX 580M had 384 cores.
GTX 670 have 1344 cores. Why shouldn`t GTX 680M? Like explained to you several times in this thread, Nvidia have to sacrifice LESS now than what they did with 500 series.

 

Kepler has the most advanced power management of any GPU, it's not as much about fan speed as it is about the metal cooling it, and Kepler also has some kind of mechanism that allows it to use less of its max TDP directly depending on the application, in which Tahiti AND PitCairn can't do.

670 is the best gaming GPU ever made but it's not as fantastic as you think it is if you're in line with believing all 1344 cores will be mobile-ized.

 

GTX 680M = GTX 670
700 Mhz Core/?
7100 score 3d Mark 11
Strong!

 

Take a look at 640m low end version, it got as much cores as 580m, different architecture, it's as if you are saying P4 at 4GHZ is faster than 3GHZ i7 lol

No matter how you downplay it, 670 beat the best AMD gpu and do it while using less TDP and less heat.
You talk as if AMD made a perfect GPU with 7970m with no headroom left for anyone else to improve their transfer from esktop to mobile GPU, looking at 7970m temperature they could have easily shipped it with more clocks and made it a faster 7970 (maybe they are saving it for 7990m)

 

My point is it probably won't be accomplished. AMD would never ever catch up, ever. It would be history in the making. It would be the most profound performance variation, EVER.

The 7970M scores like what 5.4K stock.

A 1344 CUDA core mobile GPU scoring around 7K-8K would make me laugh in how stupidly fast it would be. I'd literally go out and buy ANOTHER M18x with 680M SLI even if the price was $5000.

nVIDIA would win a Nobel Engineering prize.

 

Fermi's CUDA cores scale more per clock than Kepler. Fermi is actually my favourite GPU to date. I even bought 2 GTX 480s at different times. This wasn't for SLi. I'm not a fanboy, it's just that you guys are dreaming.

 

7970m already pass 6k with slight overclock, stock at 5800 was reported in alienware forums plenty of times, Nvidia can release a card that will pass 7k easily, yes it might overheat, throttle,pricy etc but they can do it

To think that nvidia will release their GPU months later to under perform is laughable, they would rather not release anything to avoid the rep and marketing that will cost them to sell a weaker gpu for high end users.

7970m is already a huge jump and many people thought 7970m scores were fake when posted, in fact a single 7970m perform as good as your dual 6990m that alone is a huge jump in one generation

http://amdfx.blogspot.com/2012/05/amd-7970m-overclocked-vs-7950.html
Overclocked 7970m beat Desktop 7950

 

I'll just ask someone with a 670 to underclock it to 800 Core and a memory speed equal to 128GB/s. That's around where a 1344 CUDA 680M would be.

nVIDIA's Kepler naturally scores higher in 3DM11 so a jump from its previously rumoured score would literally be almost 200% overclocked (base 100%). 43-65% increase stock to stock (Rev 1.0 vs. Rev 2.0).

 

I don`t know about you Zero, but I welcome a GPU that crush the other team in the notebook department. Wether its from the red team or the green one.

I think its boring that the two GPUs from both only surpass each other by a measly 5% every freakin year.
Now we have one team that have ditched the extra weight, GPGPU performance, and instead focused on raw gaming performance. Which is the reason why we shouldn`t be surprised if Nvidia flies away also with notebook GPUs like they do with the desktops

I don`t know about what clock speed will be used, but I think that 3DMark score isn`t far from the truth

 

To make my question clear. I have an oportunity to buy clevo150-em with mobility7970 or 680m at the same price. Should I choose 7970 or 680m which should be delivered on september 2012 so what would be your choice if you had been in my place?

 

I welcome it, I just don't believe it until I see it. Just get someone to underclock a 670 to:

1344CUDA
700-800Mhz (after turbo) Core
822Mhz Memory
100W TDP

And you'll have exactly what your 680M would be.

My estimated version as posted 3 pages back:

CUDA 960 or 1152
700-900Mhz .9v?
256-bit GDDR5 128GB/s
TDP 100W

 

Some posts are funny to read. You cant really compare incoming GTX680M perfomance based on how hot desktop cards are in reviews. Every card has different fan profile and different cooler. Also they are often tested in different ambient temperature.
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As my response to you Cloudfire. I didnt bring up HD7970 vs GTX670 comparsion in this topic. Someone else did and i just corrected, that HD7970 has nothing to do with 7970M. It has different core and different memory interface.

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It will definately be beneficial to all of us, if NV comes out with P7000+ card and heres why.
- AMD and also NV lower perfomance card prices would drop.
- AMD would work harder, to catch up. Perhaps they will cut out GPGPU from their gaming cards as well. ( I doubt it would be financially good idea tho)
- We would have better framerates at games ofc.



Im done with speculating atm. Until we have some more material to speculate with. Not just random forum posts from random Korean people.

 

and that would be a great thing, I would like more competition to make the high end gaming on notebooks more close to what desktops offer, bring it on green bring it on red

you are misreading, his points are quite valid.

 

okay ummm....am i the only one here who actually saw this post? pre-order the 680M? delivery in september 2012? double you tea F??

 

September? Hopefully way sooner. Sept would be riddiculusly late.

 

Should I preorder 8970M for March 2013 or get 680M in September 2012?
That's the question I'm faced with!

 

680M for him no question; based on arbitrary theory.

 

Actually between july and september but september is the worst case scenerio. Autumn and winter is best time for long pc games long nights short days cool weather, good for o.c.

 

The concept that the desktop 670 could become the 680m isn't really a dream. Nvidia has already accomplished something more arduous in packing the 560Ti into the 580m.

Given that fact, I'd say the possibility has been established save perhaps extreme fanbois.

One caveat... if Nvidia does get a 1344-core 680m on the market, it will not be cheap. Despite the performance difference, the 7970m will likely still be a better deal by a long shot.

 

I wouldn't care, I would buy 9 of them.

 

Same for anyone that can afford it tbh if green heads can crush the reds by more than 5% (7k score is like 30-50% up?) then I kid you not 680m will sell out faster than coffee on a Monday morning

 

4900 to 7000 is 42.8% alone . I'm not holding my breath, and my decision is already made.

7950CFX 3GB (now) --> GTX 685 4GB SLi (4 months?).

 

Dam, Zero, someone's paying you too much money! Here's an idea.... Buy 8 for yourself, and one for me

 

Wish I could do the same but I rather not buy the card without seeing what nvidia comes up with
Gonna be a major disappointment to me if I fork thousands for a product that gets beat in a few months xD

 

In an ironic twist of fate, while the GK104 intended to be the 660 GTX turned out to be the 680 GTX, the 680M GTX may turn out to be the 660M GTX ^^

 

Like someone said before nvidia should just not release it in that case cause I sure as hell will just cry at that point xD

 

the 680m does 7K? Where is this coming from...and while you're at it, why 7? why not say 8K

The point is...we don't know. 7K is a pure fantasy at this point

 

Think its just a guesstimation from the 670(or was it 660) desktop card at lowered volt and clock.
On another note someone got their 7970m to 7k w/ 1GHz clock

 

o man just ordered this thing, better mobile computing here I come


and damn my 5870 in my desktop is looking long in the tooth now, oh well guess I will play more on my laptop until my scheduled 2014 desktop refresh

 

ya, that would be me lol

 

Gratz on that (-cough- hax-cough- )

 

Be quiet SlickDude, let people dream a little bit more.

 

my bad, my bad....ok please continue

 

2014 will be a good year with Haswell and Maxwell coming. 7970M should suffice until the next Great Refresh of All the Hardware.

 

Over P7000 in 3DMark11 is EASILY obtainable with GTX 680M. So I`m sorry, if Nvidia want they can utterly destroy your 7970M which would pale in comparison.

Why?

GTX 560Ti score 19% more in 3DMark11 than GTX 580M.
3428 * 1.19 = 4079

GTX 670 should score the same over 680M, if not less since Nvidia have to sacrifice less with Kepler due to lower power consumption.

GTX 670 score P8745.

GTX 680M could score:
8745/1.19 = P7349

So its not just a dream, it could actually happen if they go all in.

 

a GTX560TI doesnt score P4079 @ 3dmark11...It scores about ~4600 it's about 25% (even 30% as higher bandwith but we keep the 3dmark11 score as basis) more powerful than the GTX580M.

So according to your methodology, the 680M should score about P6500 which is the score of a 7970M o/c.

 

Uhm no, that is wrong.
Why don`t you look at my links before posting LOL
Here is some more
http://www.techspot.com/review/359-nvidia-geforce-gtx-560ti/page3.html
http://www.legionhardware.com/images/review/Inno3D_GeForce_GTX_560_Ti_OC/3Dmark11_02.png
http://img.gfx.no/813/813208/3Dmark11Total_Hyereerbedre.png

And no I won`t be debating my calculations or discussing it. It is all there. Now I said it to disprove the other people in this thread that came and thought I just pulled numbers out of nowhere. Goodnight. Going to bed. I`ve discussed enough today

 

Cloudfire,

I owned both cards :| I don't really need to look at your links, just look at the cards specifications....(620/1500 vs 822/2004, do the maths...)
Sometimes you just need to find out something yourself rather than relying on some old reviews (that use different drivers etc)

Also, you should just rely on the GPU score rather than the global P score @ 3dmark11.

By the way, that was just a remark, nothing personal, other chaps will be able to confirm you

 

My GTX570M gets 4000 at stock 560ti clocks, the 580M gets 4800 (which is a 560ti effectively) so you are not taking current drivers into account.

Really cloudfire, stop making predictions, you are starting to hurt my head.

 

So we are talking drivers now? Its impossible that 670 won`t get better drivers as well right? No its not, so the numbers are still valid.
pau1ow: I hear you, but I wanted to make a comparison against the stock P score of 7970M. Plus notebookcheck have some fancy charts that showed +19% for 560 Ti. No offence taken

Predictions are fun Meaker. You should take some tablets for your head ache and join the fun too. I will easily admit defeat and too much optimistic predictions if my numbers are wrong. Or curse at Nvidia if they release a crappy P5000 680M.
But I`m telling you that the possibilities are there.

I`m just making some noise in this thread like I did with the Kepler thread.

NOW it is goodnight. My girlfriend is calling for me.

 

This thread makes me want to kill kittens D=

 

It's okay. Time will tell if nVIDIA really can bring a 100W 768 shader to a 100W 1344 shader card.

 

Kittens are sacred cute meme animals !

 

Yeah but it's totally random noise.

What you don't seem to get is you are comparing later drivers to early drivers. We are comparing them both on the newer ones.

If you are going to make predictions please choose valid numbers like I did with the 7970M.

 

这里还有一件事情关于 GTX685M的事情，其实从DELL我们只发现GK106 N13E-GTX代号的显卡，也就是这块 GTX680M，而并没有什么GTX685M，还有，GTX680M的瓦数实测高达100W，和HD7970M的65w有着巨大差距，不知道正式卡会不会不一样 HD7990M

 

There is one thing thing about GTX685M, in fact, from DELL, we only found the of GK106 N13E-GTX code of graphics, is a piece of GTX680M, and are not what GTX685M, the GTX680M the wattage measured up to 100W, and HD7970M65w has a huge gap, do not know the formal card will not HD7990M

so... er

Edit:
Also why the hell china seems to be the leak specs nation of computer hardware ?

 

Uhm no I am not. There are four scores at notebookcheck. One is from less than 1 month after release. Its like 30 points from the average, but still match the early P-score of 560 Ti with the +19%. My 670/680M comparison is also based on todays score, aka new drivers. Its a totally fair comparison.

That one is old. 7970M is not 65W and 680M is not GK106

 

Can someone translate this?

真搞不明白，gk104核心如此优秀为什么不直接用这个核心做GTX680M
或许GTX685M呢？即使降频，3D11跑个P6000也不成问题啊

 

Google translator - Really can not understand, the the gk104 core so good why do not directly use this core GTX680M
Perhaps GTX685M? 3D11 running a P6000 is not a problem even if the reduced frequency

 

Hmm, it's still all speculation then. I'm outta here, this is such a waste of my time.