AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

For $200 you can get a 256GB Crucial M4.... Within the next 4 months I can almost guarantee that price will be down to around $160 and 512GB SSD's will finally be around $380 or so.

 

I have my personal opinion there as well. I only buy Samsung or Intel SSDs. $170 is exactly a half Intel 510/520.
But who cares. My point is that $170 is nothing for me personally

 

Yeah I would also buy Samsung if I had the money. The 830's are awesome. Even the 256GB Samsung 830 is down to $280 now though. Just not worth that little bit of extra performance for an extra 60% of my money. I'm a college student so I don't have extra money like that ha. I am doing great for a college student though and had some birthday money so I threw down on the P150EM in my Sig. Starting a new job in 6 weeks that should pay about triple what I'm making now though; so next year I plan on upgrading to a 512GB Samsung SSD [they will probably have a 1GB/sec by then haha].

I really just want to play with the 7970m and the 95% Gamut display O_O. Haha.

 

Just to clarify my personal position on the matter, especially as I will purchase through PC Specialist:

A price increase of £180.00 is roughly a 50% price increase for the 680M over the 7970M for a 10% performance increase.

Normally I would look at these figures and myself with laughter, however as I do have my concerns over ATI GPUs (last one I owned waas a 5870M which worked perfectly except for being forced to use D3DO), I would be happy to pay the extra £180 for a system that will already set me back £2k (thats 3200$, you yanks have it lucky -_-).

 

*chuckles* Then you tell me how you'd feel in my shoes, when nVidia not only once, but twice has failed me! The first card was a desktop 6800GS. The second was a 8800M GTX in my old Sager. The laptop died due to the graphics card in exactly two years as it did for several customers, even for my friend who ordered along with me! It was a bad case of engineering on nVidia's part due to a poor soldering job, that essentially cost me $2700 worth of the whole laptop! Now with the general consensus on this forum being that ATI is the less reliable brand puts me in an unbearable inexplicably dilemma... One that I possibly can never resolve! The damage is done. In fact, I'm not sure I can trust either brands. To any future buyers: the companies and their products look great either way when you are about to buy them. The real deal lies upon whether they can really last their full lifespan or not. And I sincerely pity both the nVidia and ATI fanboys, for there is no perfect brand, maybe only just good products on an individual basis, the luxury of which I've seldom, if ever had.

 

Zalgradis:
You do know that pounds and dollars are not the same right?

$170 = £108

 

Its history like that which is the reason why people choose the brand of their choice year after year. Its probably the reason why we have fanboys. Its a bit sad though, since I think you were just unlucky, and that means that you will now buy AMD GPUs instead. But hey, it really doesn`t matter. Both brands are great when you look at the bigger picture, both lets us play games the way we want

After all, I ditch (sell) my notebooks almost each year anyways, so there is always something new and better on the market

 

They are to international vendors.

a $1.5k system in the US will typically cost £1.5k in the UK. Hence my comment that my 3200$ system would <2000$ in America.

Plus my figure of £180.00 came directly from a UK retailer.

@Prasad you bring up a good point. I myself overlooked the 8000 and 9000 series completely as my laptop at the time had a (for the time) incredibly powerful 7950M GTX Go.

It all boils down to personal experiences and information. My concerns are drawn from my experience with the 5870M (lack of proper vsync support and general heat issues) and hearing about the abnormal failure rate of the 6970M.

 

As for the price increase of the 680M over the 7970M:

If you are looking to purchase a system for say 1700$ and opt for a 680M increasing the price to 1870$, you have effectively paid an extra 10% for a performance increase of 10$.

Looking at it like that it doesn't seem too bad. Almost lets me overlook the fact that the GPU itself is 50% more expensive

 

Please do tell me more about that...

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/587434-whats-going-6970m-14.html

Its the same crap as is happening with 7970M right now. AMD may be fast to release GPUs, but they had their share of problems with mobile GPUs. This is one of the reasons why I prefer Nvidia.
No wonder why some OEMs only use Nvidia GPUs.

 

Thanks! Although this doesn't even remotely ease my dilemma...

 

Give it 12 days til 680M is announced at Computex and then make up your mind. It might be awesome, it might be "Meh". Who knows

I can promise you that the 400/500/600 series are not like your old 8800M GTX with bad soldering.

 

Yeah. I'm in it for the long haul anyway... Thanks again! +rep when I can.

 

Well meh...
My M17 is getting delivered on 14/6, I wonder how long it will take Dell to list the 680M.

And the question is if it will be stronger than the 7970M.
Can you return your purchase or ask them to change the configuration before it's shipped?

Then again they might be asking 350-500 USD for a 680M.
From a price point of view it might not even worth switching.
Even if you buy it off Ebay from Upgradeyourlaptop (or whatever their name was).

 

incredibly that no other reseller had that failure rate, as I see it, it was just another excuse that they used to make themselves dont look bad since they werent delivering any machines around that time, and the few that trickled down were left without a support, since that reseller went broke.

Apple still sells the 6970m, samsung still did after a while, even clevo/sager did that even after the 6990m was launched.

You can comment on the issues regarding the 6990m crossfire problems that arose in the m18x a few months after the throttling 580m, that happened in the m18x and m17x.

And you can also comment the overheating cases that happened on some clevo models using the 6990m, that was solved by a bios update, much the same as the 580m problems in the aw.

So yeah, none is perfect, none has the lead in quality. Having used several gpus from both and other vendors in the past, I tend to regard which one offers me what I want at the time.

For example, Im currently thinking of ditching my NAS and build me another one, but since its going to be in the living room I will put a 7750 from saphire, a fanless design and some server grade 2tb drives in there so that I can have a htpc.

 

Mr MM, just read the thread. Many resellers and companies had problems with 6970M and some stopped selling it. Not just Kobalt. Plus there are a great deal in that thread that had problems with their 6970M they bought from different resellers.

Bad batch? Who knows. Thing is that there was really a problem with the 6970M that AMD most likely resolved later, hence why Apple etc still sell them.

That 580M throttling was not really Nvidia fault and can`t be compared to hardware fault. It was only Dell that had the throttling problem, and if I remember correctly, it was due to some BIOS from Dell if I remember correct? Temperature limit that caused the throttling, where the cooling system couldn`t remove enough heat from the chip due to high power consumption with the 580M.

But yeah, not a pleasant problem to deal with I`d imagine

 

cloud I read the thread, I was in that one. And the other one that dealt with this issue as well.

Bad batch is unlikely, due to they being a small company.

Most stopped selling the gpu due to the 6990m arrival simple as that, some still use that same card, strangely there was no other report from no other than that one, apple, samsung, aw used the same card, no problems. That also extended to all the other resellers, as well.

Yeah money problems and someone to put the blame in.

Some cards fail, and they do. Higher failure rate on machines that pack more power is common, if you want maximum reliability you should go for the workstation line, something that you so concerned with heat should do

 

Workstation for gaming...lol hell no
And you don`t have to go to workstations to get reliability or a notebook you count on.
I do love my Elitebook though but its just for work

 

no you dont need that, but the support is top notch, the testing is also top notch, build quality is going to be better than any gaming notebook out there, it doesnt matter who is making it.

If you get the firepros instead of the quadros the fps is quite the same, with little fluctuations due to drivers.

after all the m8900 was just a 6970m with a vbios and some different drivers.

And since I dont like blings or designs that would make me silly, I do prefer the looks of workstations. Since I do use the notebook for meetings, and I would be extremely speechless when presenting prospects of the stock market with a g55 or a m17x, and so would be the client.

Imagine when Im teaching?

not professional, some people tend to disregard that, good for them, but I wouldnt. Silly me

 

Agreed 100%. I love the clean aluminum look of my HP Elitebook and I yearn for someone to actually make a gaming notebook out of a similar design. The cooling isn`t that great but they could easily have implemented an additional fan to make it better.

If its one thing I hate nowadays its the typical toy look of gaming notebooks. Especially Alienware. The new slimmer Asus G75 isn`t so bad btw. But yeah, I understand that you avoid these notebooks at the workplace

Quadro 5010M are also around 6970M btw. But are they really equally efficient in gaming? I thought they were made for general computation like CAD, OpenCL etc..

 

the 5010m is basically a 485m, it uses GDDR5 ECC buffered vram, the quadro 2000m is a 460m but with DDR3 ecc buffered vram as well.

and as I said the ones that will probably give you less hassle regarding performance is the firepro line.

I still think that the design of the G series quite childish, dont dig it at all. I prefer the clevo ones, and sincerely only the P line, not the W line.

Currently for me the most interesting notebook in terms of design is the thinkpad x1 carbon, and greatly in second place the folio 9470m, Im thoroughly sad about the design choices to dont include thunderbolt. Honor mention for the series 9 as well, it should be pretty tied up in second place

 

hi guys litlle of thread here but you AW guys you know if its possible to run a 480m mxm 3.0b in a m15x

 

The m15X usually has issues with the most power hungry cards and the 480M is top of the pile in that regard.

There are much better and usually cheaper options unless you need it for high precision calculations?

 

the question is becouse i have a card and some one with a m15x wants to buy it
but they asked if it would work with the original cooling and if it would be any bios probs and/or modding and if what kind of modding
this is the one she have at the moment
DELL ALIENWARE LAPTOP M15x i7-720QM/4GB RAM/320GB HD/DVD-RW/1GB

 

Why choose this random thread over the Alienware section?

Anyway, as far as I know, no one has tried the 480M in the M15x. You could just give it a shot.

 

i have asked on a couple m15x threads but no reply
and i have seen alott of aw people here so i asked

 

Well, this thread sure settled down with the news of AMD botching a batch of the 7970s. LOL

 

AMD didn't botch anything.

 

Shipping faulty cards to Clevo doesn't count as botching something?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/661430-update-radeon-7970m-sager-resellers-98.html

 

Yeah, I've been all over that thread (see my sig). If AMD ships faulty cards then they botched it, whether or not they manufactured every component in the card. They should have caught it in QC, not their end users.

 

AMD didn't ship a card, they shipped a chip which Clevo's faulty board turned into a $560 lemon. AMD has nothing to do with this as a supplier of a component. Think of it this way, is Intel responsible because the motherboard in your laptop died from something completely unrelated to its processor and it no longer turns on? AMD supplied a single component to create this card, its up to Clevo to produce a working PCB and run it through QC. If this were AMD's fault then Dell cards would also be affected, and a trip to the AW forums will show you that's not the case.

 

That's not my reseller's take on the matter. Maybe we'll find out for sure some day.

 

Let's put it this way, if the chips were bad then the other 7970Ms and desktop 7870s and 7850s, of which we have seen no evidence for (faulty cards, supply issues etc).

 

Where are you getting this info though? If the "chips" AMD shipped for the second batch were fine how come SAGER and their re-sellers are saying they are waiting for the
delayed new 2nd batch on June 11th? Is that just to buy them enough time to create a PCB to function with the 7970m chip? What about the first batch of 7970m's that passed QC for clevo laptops?

I get what you're saying that the chip is like the engine in the car and the problem is the ECU (clevo board) is faulty and not running the engine or "chip" right.

 

Well those of us who are using the dell ES/QS cards haven't had any problem so far?

 

Any update on when the 680M is scheduled for release? If it's still July, then it may be worth waiting for me I suppose, because I have yet to order my P150EM with the 7970M and now I hear that there has been a massive recall and nothing is expected until late June?

 

Computex 2012 on June 5, check here:
Leaked: NVIDIA GTX 680M Info - Legit Reviews

 

Gotta love the site name brother


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/s
must be legit

 

not for Alienware. There are issues with the 7970m clevo cards. The dell cards are shipping in volume

 

*Fixed for accuracy.

 

What do you mean.. in volume?

 

lots of them shipping ^^

 

thanks for the reply

 

bahahah worst translation ever.

NVIDIA READIES GEFORCE GTX 680M FOR HIGH-END LAPTOPS | new software for PC

edit:"Given a tangible actuality which a info comes whilst not detrimental to any utterly supply, it ought to be thought-about as inaccurate." -hmm i think that means its not reliable but im not sure.

 

OpenGL 4.2, OpenCL 1.2, stereoscopic-3D, 4 multi-monitor capability, PhysX, 4-way multi-GPU, PCI specific three.0 as well as to illustrate on.

would just love to see that..."reading article"

 

^^ LOL...i tried to read that...terrible translation lol

 

this is what im going to say every time i think something is a rumor "Given a tangible actuality which a info comes whilst not detrimental to any utterly supply, it ought to be thought-about as inaccurate, aka its a rumor"