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    AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by x32993x, Apr 20, 2012.

  1. amirfoox

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    AMD A-Series A10-4600M Notebook Processor - Notebookcheck.net Tech

    It's comparable to an i3-2310. That's just sad.

    x32993x, nonetheless, it is rediculous to pair a high-priced GPU with such a low-performing CPU. Maybe if it was an upgrade, but buying a new machine that way? Why don't you buy a laptop body made out of tinfoil while you're at it, that will help shaving a few bucks as well :p
     
    amirfoox, Jun 10, 2012
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    thanks everyine for the replies... i did some research myself and found out the are nit very good... im ginna go fir the alienware with 3610qm and 7970m.. :)

    Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

    sorry fir bad english and auto corretion fine... spelling mistakes..

    Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
     
    burnie22, Jun 10, 2012
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    I have this configuration Bunie22. I can't imagine you'll be disappointed with it
     
    jimiglen, Jun 10, 2012
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    (~$3,894.25 USD)

    lol

    That FPS difference is too high. Seems off for an interesting reason.

    The way unigine works is core gpu clock speed.

    The 7870 desktop outpaces the 7950 by a small margin because of the core clock speed.
     
    Zero989, Jun 10, 2012
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    Likely due to rop output and fixed tesselation units.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 10, 2012
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  7. AlphaMagnum

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    So what exactly do we know? I've seen conflicting results. Is there a summary post of results somewhere in this thread lol?

    One result had 680M's 3dmarkvantage score hovering around the same mark set by 7970M, and another had it ahead by 3000 points. Haven't seen many benchmarks around. Is that because my Google-fu sucks or is it due to an actual lack of results so far?
     
    AlphaMagnum, Jun 10, 2012
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  8. jaug1337

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    due to the fact that no one has hands on to perform and make a real benchmark test, with real specifications, with real temps and real overvolt, overclock, undervolt fun.. we've got nothing right now, standing still waiting for someone like anandtech to post a review or so
     
    jaug1337, Jun 10, 2012
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  9. Meaker@Sager

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    ATI uses fixed function tesselation units, they are identical on every chip from 7970 to 7770. The higher the core rate the better they cope.

    Also the 7870 and 7950 have the same rops (32) and due to a higher core clock the 7870 has a higher pixel output, this can be a bottleneck for the 7950.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 10, 2012
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    vuman619, Jun 11, 2012
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  12. long2905

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    extreme preset, unlike the usual, less taxing performance preset.
     
    long2905, Jun 11, 2012
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  13. vuman619

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    Oh, i get it.

    P = performance, X = Extreme, thank you.

    I'm kind of new to benchmarking ><"

    +Rep
     
    vuman619, Jun 11, 2012
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  14. Kingpinzero

    Kingpinzero ROUND ONE,FIGHT! You Win!

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    Awesome scores there Meaker, +rep dude!
     
    Kingpinzero, Jun 11, 2012
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  15. fantomasz

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    single 7970 will beat SLI 580?
     
    fantomasz, Jun 11, 2012
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    I’m getting ready to order a Sager 9150 with AMD 7970M vid card. I was considering the Nvidia 675 but the performance increase for just $100 more for the 7970M was a “no brainer.” I will use the laptop for business applications for work during the day and gaming after hours. My only concern with my decision to go with the 7970 is AMD’s Dynamic Switchable Graphics. Nvidia’s Optimus Tech seems to be more proven and time tested. Does anyone think this is a valid concern?
     
    ric0097, Jun 11, 2012
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    A tweaked 7970 performs like a desktop 580.

    Performance = 1280x720, performance texture quality.
    Extreme = 1920x1080, extreme texture quality.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 11, 2012
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  18. fantabulicius

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    Basically 7970m at stock speed is equal to a 7850 desktop and an overclocked 7970m reaches the 7870.
     
    fantabulicius, Jun 11, 2012
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  19. fantomasz

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    ok but how this compare to gtx580m SLI
     
    fantomasz, Jun 11, 2012
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  20. Supranium

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    Theres plenty of numbers in this thread and forum. Do the math.
     
    Supranium, Jun 11, 2012
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    if you enable physX on the 680m when you run Vantage, your score will get inflated. Same on AMD cards if you shut off tessellation and score 8K in 3dmark11. Its a form of cheating

    The 7970m and 680m score the same in vantage around 21-22k with the 7970m having a slight lead
     
    SlickDude80, Jun 11, 2012
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    Vantage has always liked memory bandwidth.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 11, 2012
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  23. SlickDude80

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    BTW, nice X scores in 3dmark11 Meaker, that is on par with a desktop gtx 580
     
    SlickDude80, Jun 11, 2012
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    Yeah, shame my mobo can't keep up.

    Based on clock progression I think this core could do 1075mhz at 1.075v.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 11, 2012
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    So basically they're on par with one another so far, with the 7970M slightly ahead in some cases?

    I guess we haven't seen real game benchmarks from 680M yet, but are there any reasons to suspect that the results would be different from those obtained in synthetic benchmarks?

    It's looking to me like I should just pick up a P150EM with a nice Ivy, 7970M, and SSD to replace my sig rig. People were telling me that even a Sandy/580M or Sandy/6990M would be a tremendous upgrade over what I've got, but I'm looking for max futureproofing and waiting a few months was definitely worth it from what I've seen. This new generation is AWESOME!
     
    AlphaMagnum, Jun 11, 2012
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  27. SlickDude80

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    from the synthetics, the 680m and the 7970m perform very similarly. This doesn't take into account that some games like Nvidia more and some games like AMD more though.

    I totally agree with your pals telling you that a 580m/6990m would be a huge leap over your 260m...but a leap to 7970m/680m would be at another level. We are seeing desktop gtx 580 performance out of tweaked 7970's and i would expect similar performance out of the 680m because they score so similarly in the synthetics. it just depends on how well the 680m will overclock. We have numerous examples here of the 7970m clocking very well.
     
    SlickDude80, Jun 11, 2012
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  28. AlphaMagnum

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    The only question that remains is when exactly I'd get a system if I ordered one with a 7970M sometime this week. I'm out of the country from July 25 to August 22, so it can't show up to my place in that timeframe, since no one will be home.
     
    AlphaMagnum, Jun 11, 2012
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  29. c69k

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    I am sure you can ask the seller to have it sent at/after a desired date. With PCSPECIALIST (u.k.) I have this option on my configuration page.
     
    c69k, Jun 11, 2012
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  30. Arestavo

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    Generally speaking, the 580m and 675 are the same - the 675m is 50 to 70% slower than a single 7970m.
     
    Arestavo, Jun 11, 2012
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  31. Meaker@Sager

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    Lets put it this way I think.

    The only way you could tell a 580M SLI setup from a 7970M single setup is maybe picking up on the input lag or if the game does not scale well.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 11, 2012
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    580M SLI is more powerful than 7970M, I`d say about 10% faster. Still, bloody impressive

    Anyhow, here are the review of the Alienware M18x with 7970M CF
    Google Oversetter
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 11, 2012
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  33. Zymphad

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    One powerful GPU is always better than multi-setup. Nearly every legitimate issues, that are not user caused or user ignorance, is due to multi-GPU setup. Just not worth the stress.

    Either way, I am just amazed at how much of a difference 28nm architecture has made for both Nvidia and AMD. Good thing I waited and not went for any of the 40nm past few years and waited patiently. Very happy.
     
    Zymphad, Jun 11, 2012
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    better wait another year for a new breakthrough ;) haha
    damn technology evolves fast now a days, don't know when to buy stuff since the very next day something better comes out!!
     
    jaug1337, Jun 11, 2012
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  36. Cloudfire

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    Maxwell is suppose to come already in 2013. Going to be a big jump as well.
    Combine that with Haswell that will put Ivy bridge to shame, our notebooks will be solid beaten in 2013
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 11, 2012
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  37. Prasad

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    You think it's gonna stop there? One's gotta learn to be happy with what he/she has got when and while one has it.. ;)
     
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    does the cpu affect the unigene run at all? because according to that video the gtx 680m is outperforming the 7970m by 15fps. Please don't flame me, I am only interested in gaming benchmarks such as everyone else, but for myself, I have ordered the gtx 680m and am very curious about the performance.
     
    vuman619, Jun 11, 2012
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    Yes, it does. The AMD CPU is barely equivalent to older i5's.
     
    Tyranids, Jun 11, 2012
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    Actually it's more like less than 5% stock to stock and a good overclocked 7970 will beat the SLI set up.........I'm sitting around 5900 stock and a 580 SLI will pull 6100-6200 stock with a good processor.
     
    Vahlen, Jun 12, 2012
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  41. fantomasz

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    it's good idea to buy now new alienware 18 with sandy bridge and 580 sli for the price of clevo 170 with 7970?
     
    fantomasz, Jun 12, 2012
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    I would definitely buy the Sager/Clevo with the 7970m. The 580m is over priced for its performance and is an old gen card. And a single GPU setup is always favoured to a SLI/Crossfire if the performance offered is more or less the same. I am sure you can get a ivy bridge and a 7970m in a NP9170 for 1500$. Definitely the Alienware with the sandy and SLI GTX580m is going to cost more. Not worth it in my opinion.
     
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    Yeah, but the GPU is so much more important than the CPU when it comes to gaming, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Even a lousy CPU can still be enough to power a good GPU. Maybe it won't be as optimal in overall system performance, but barring an immense breakthrough in GPUs, it looks like we will most likely keep the title of having a beast of a laptop for at least a year and a half, maybe two, which is quite alright with me.
     
    amirfoox, Jun 12, 2012
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  44. maxheap

    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    @Cloud, I am pretty sure Maxwell was postponed until 2014, early predictions was 2013 where Kepler was also 2011, which didn't happen until now.
     
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    Nah that 10% extra performance just isn`t worth it when you take the other things to consideration, like 200W instead of 100W, possible SLI problems, extra heat etc.


    Oh ok. I found tons of sites saying 2013. Good thing for us then :)
    It makes sense too I guess since GK110 isn`t out until 2013
     
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    After a lot of reading and hair pulling, i pulled the trigger on a sager 9150 with the 7970 last thursday from xoticpc. now i'm just waiting patiently (NOT REALLY)....

    i think it's really great that the clevos are user upgradeable. it doesn't seem too hard to upgrade the gpus. hopefully the new class of gpus in a year or two will still be compatible.
     
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    The laptop will need a new VBIOS writing for it from the manufacturers (Clevo) when new cards are released, if they don’t write new BIOS for new release cards, they simply will not work.
     
    ObserverJLin, Jun 12, 2012
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    OH really? Well, it's not that hard to reflash the BIOS. Does the 680m and 7790 require different BIOSes (wth is BIOS plural) then?

    and wouldn't the BIOS be provided by the mobo manufacturer? or does Clevo really have to be the one who provides it? Historically, are they pretty good about this?

    sorry about being a noob.
     
    Ebolamonkey, Jun 12, 2012
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  49. Zymphad

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    Usually Clevo release new Bios for their models to support different GPUs. Just recently on ONE model, they couldn't do it to various complications. I don't see why the newer models will face the same issue since Clevo has built their business around the reputation of making upgradeable performance laptops.

    So I wouldn't worry.
     
    Zymphad, Jun 12, 2012
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    German Reseller "Hawkforce" just added the 680m for configuration in their online-shop.
    ETA: first/second week of july
    Price difference: 7970M + 285€ (~$350)

    edit: Schenker Notebooks (mysn.de) also added the 680m -> +295€ compared to 7970M.
     
    core², Jun 12, 2012
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