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    AMD Enduro Internal Document? (a.k.a PowerXpress 5.0)

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by MacHater, Apr 4, 2013.

  1. MacHater

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    Clearly, this is something AMD didn't want you to see:
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    Didmt have time to read it yesterday, anything interesting in there?
     
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    Probably not. Their current PowerXpress (PowerPlay) is in shambles. They only work on it so it works, doesn't seem optimized at all to me. Their drivers haven't been working with Intel since version 2932, and Intel is now up to WHQL 3071. They have released more WHQL drivers than AMD has in the past 4 months I think. How sad and pathetic is that? Freaking Intel having more WHQL drivers...

    AMD had publicly admitted their GCN memory controller drivers were derived from VLI4 drivers, even though GCN is completely different architecture... AMD engineers must be going insane watching the Driver team butchering their hardware. AMD claimed to have something in the works, that was 4 months ago.

    Recently few weeks ago, AMD publicly admitted CFX has some terrible micro-stuttering issue, across the board, not game specific. Their ETA on fixing it? JULY. How long as GCN been out? Over a year now is it? /Shrug whatever.

    Then they became so obsessed with having higher FPS numbers than Nvidia, they completely disregarded whether the game played fluidly now. And even with with game specific driver tweaks, they still can't get ANY game to play with the same level of fluidity, frame latency as Nvidia can.

    And it seems to me, that AMD doesn't even do driver optimization for mobile. They develop drivers for desktop. And then slap on some INF changes to install on mobile, which doesn't work with latest Intel drivers and just feels sloppy, and AMD driver team probably just shrug, who cares, who games on laptops right?

    Too bad only really one company that can be recommended at this time for mobile gaming. Maybe it's time for Intel to give Larrabee project another go, round 2. I know I know, their latest HD crud are based on the Larrabee project, but I mean really go hardcore, make AMD discrete obselete.

    For now I'll wait to see what the prices are for 780M, if not, I'll just hold out and upgrade laptop next year with something that isn't AMD.
     
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    When the last application that is rendering on the dGPU ends, the dGPU will be powered off by Dynamic-zero technology.

    That's my favorite part. It's freaking on when it starts, before I even have ANYTHING render on dGPU, at bootup. Zero-Core is broken...

    Wow, this document was created in 2011, and in 2013 it's still broken? C'mon...
     
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    Yup.

    And they still haven't completely fixed the under-utilization issue. They improved it a bit, but the last time that happened was in December 2012. They haven't made any Enduro improvements since then (at least not public).

    (and the certain new tool called FCAT is revealing that all AMD CrossfireX setups suffer severe frame latency problems, which confirms why people are noticing games on 7970 CF running less smooth than single 7970 even though FRAPS shows 100+ fps; the joke is that AMD said they "should" have it fixed by JULY 2013. And that's not all. The issue applies to the 6000 series of cards as well (as illustrated by http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=3105), so they've actually had this issue for quite some time, and have been ignoring it since.)