AMD takes initiative in stopping I HAVE AN INTEL GMA 950, WHY CAN'T I PLAY CRYSIS???

Dunno if it's at the right place but still

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/63058.html

Finally is all I have to say

 

In other words "AMD launches war against stupidity, fails miserably".

I'm going to laugh when they get sued like Microsoft did for their "Vista Capable" stickers.

*Mimics Dumbass* "What? GAMING CAPABLE doesn't mean it can play Crysis at 32498x43982 on ULTRA HIGH settings? I'm sueing!!! *Ends poor imitation*.

 

lol stupid...

btw how did microsoft get sued for vista stickers..? they made vista..

 

Out of my 5 imaginary dollars I have to bet, 4.5 on a flop, and the other .5 on holding.

Favorite Quote: "We really want to do what we can to make sure that PC gaming stays healthy, stays vibrant and all of that feeds back into itself to make for a healthier industry," Barry added.

Nearly everyone I know with a console also has a computer they game on. IMHO nearly all computers will play the recent games, its to a personal satisfaction level. I have played games sub 60 FPS and still want to play and have no other option than not playing, so I do. It will simplify it for some individuals who cannot discern a video card/cpu, but for the consumer audience their products have, I am thinking it will not help.

my 2 cents...

 

Some people got pissed after computers labeled as "Vista Capable" couldn't run Aero. They could still run Vista Home Basic, but apparently these people have a different definition of "capable" than I, or dictionaries do.

 

PC gaming will never get to console-like simplicity.

 

True...but any vendor that tries to pass off an integrated card as the next best thing in gaming since sliced bread deserves to loose their business license.

And this is the first step in making sure stupid sales people can't rip consumers that don't know about this stuff.

 

You guys make it sound like AMD will make the same mistakes that Microsoft did... but you have to admit that its a good idea.

 

I think this link is better:
http://www.desktopreview.com/default.asp?newsID=308

 

I think this is a great idea. And maybe it will "work" or at least help. Just today at BestBuy I saw some Blueshirt helping a lady with a laptop that it sounded like she was getting her son for Graduation. He was telling her that the M1530 they had there with a 8400M would be "future proof" for all the latest games.

So it might "help" stuff like mornonic BestBuy employees talking about of their butts to make a sale.

 

It's a good idea, as long as they don't try to oversell it like with "Vista Capable". I'm sorry, but when you can't support the biggest and most noticeable layman features, you aren't capable. It's like if back in the days of Win 3.1, they claimed a PC was Windows 3.1 capable if you could use all the functionality through the Dos command line, but couldn't actually run Windows.

Back on topic though, I do think this is a good idea. Though I would say that some improvement on a WEI-like solution, one where the sales stooges at stores are trained on it, would be the best option.

 

How many times have I seen that happen, I get so frustrated with this sort of crap sales advice. What happens? The woman buys the laptop, takes it home along with a few games she buys, gives it to her son whereby he tries to install the games and play them only to find that although they can run, the fps is dreadfully low. Now imagine this same person has a console. He buys a game. It works, he takes his new laptop back complaining and never enter the PC gaming world. The end. I believe games are getting better at detecting the hardware and automatically adjusting the settings to give the best experience for the user, but this kind of "labelling" would definately help avoid the situation above.

 

Yeah we will see. I mean my standard train of thought, is if you are throwing down a good chunk of change on pretty much anything. Do your research BEFORE you purchase. But the majority of people are not tech heads like all of us here.

 

100% agree. But I don't know. Call me "old school" or whatever. There are just some types of games I just have a hard time getting into on consoles. Pretty much Online FPS's. TF2? CS? No way could I get into that on a 360. Give me a mouse and keyboard anyday. Which brings up another topic....

 

Hey, who says best buy employees are moronic? Sure 99% of them are absolutely retarded, but I WORK for best buy, and I'd say I know laptops VERY well, although we ALL have a lot to learn.

 

Whatever happened to people actually thinking out their high dollar'd purchases? Whatever happened to people that would actually dig through reports and reviews, glance at forums and try to ask questions? People that would actually learn about what they're debating to get.

The typical person, when buying a new car looks around atleast a little bit. Trying to gauge prices, full consumption, what looks pretty and whatnot. Why not do the same when buying a thousand or two thousand dollar machine?

 

Cause most people think of computers as a high dollar commodity. Most people probably wouldn't shop around and research cooking oil either. Not the best thing as far as computers go, but it is how it is.

 

Would this also apply to Intel systems or AMD/ATi only? Did I miss something?

 

AMD only. It`s not that bad of an idea and not that hard to implement.
Get the Weakest AMD/ATI card that can play ANY game today,and whatever card goes above it, slap an AMD GAME sticker.
What`s the big deal?
Anything above the HD2600 should PLAY any game today,granted it may not be ultra su pah du pa high settings.
But it works.
Would help a lot of ,ahem ,brain challenged people find a good decent and affordable GAMING computer.

 

It's not like Best Buy or any other major electronics store require any level of competence to sell their stuff. If they required an A+ certification or some other level of certification to aid customers then I'd think differently.

 

not to mention how that poor mother, she clearly wants to make her son delighted, and goes home happy with her purchase. and the son gets disappointed at the performance and the mother feels bad also

 

It is a fault on both the retailers' and consumers' parts. On one hand, you have retail stores doing whatever they can to just sell their inventory. Standard certification is non-existent, and so these retail stores have their share of people who simply lie to make the sale. Granted, there are exceptions, but this is not good enough for the consumer; the consumer deserves a 100% fair sale, which they rarely get.

On the other hand you have consumers who get taken advantage of simply because they didn't bother to read a few articles on the high-price item they're about to buy. Smart consumers, even if they lack knowledge about electronics, will take the time to learn what differentiates good products from bad ones. Bad consumers (impulsive, young (beginners in the world of sales), or just downright ignorant or dumb people) don't do any of this.

 

Hi.

BUY GAME, GET FREE LAPTOP

Regards

john.

 

Hi, buy game, get free laptop and hammer to smash it when it`s not running Crysis

 

I hope to God they succeed because they have done enough damage to the industry, at least back in the 90s, you could actually PLAY a game

 

hey, its not always so... I just popped in Conan in a 10-month-old laptop and not only does it work, but it plays wonderfully... and this wasn't one of those "car-payment" laptops either...

glad AMD is making a stand... I'd LOVE to see them make a multi-core combo GPU/CPU that rocks everyone's world. heck I'd like to see AMD burst back onto the scene as the gamer's choice once again. (for awhile)

 

Let's just hope they don't sell 500$ laptops at a 1000$ price.

 

This idea is freakin brilliant.

It seems simple, but it is this sort of thing that will actually HELP PC Gaming instead of just talking about it! *cough* PC GAMING ALLIANCE *cough*

I'm investing in AMD now. Right. Now.

 

Only the computers with at least a mid-range GPU will get the sticker, so the HD 3650 and up. The ones with a 3870 iwll have "Game ultra"


Although it would help competancy, having A+ requierement for sellers would just be hard. I mean, what's the goal in becoming a seller if you can be the guy that re-install windows with the recovery DVD in the backstore for $18/hour?

 

They don't need A+ cert, but at least basic product training. I mean, most people on this forum probably wouldn't qualify as A+, but most of us could be far more help to shoppers than your average big box store employee. Of course, then they'd have to also pay decent wages so they could attract a staff where more than 15% of the people actually cared about their job...

 

I think the computer vendors should post the Windows Experience score per each category when the computers are sitting in big brick and motor stores. It is a good enough benchmark and standard across that it could be used. The games that they want also should be clearly marked with the windows score so that people will have no question.

Example. Crysis requires a 5.5 or better.
Customer looks at several models.
This computer is 3.2...cant play it
This computer is 4.5...still cant play it
This computer is a 5.7. It can play it.

 

The WEI isn't accurate or reliable enough for that, plus, it is extremely confusing.

For example, Crysis can run with a crappy processor and an amazing graphics card. However, it can't run with a crappy graphics card and an amazing processor.

 

Well, that's why he says don't use the overall WEI, but the component WEI scores. Still, WEI ratings aren't great. But I think we can all agree they are better than nothing at all.

 

My personal opinion is that PC gamers nowadays have been spoiled by the ease of console gaming that a large number buy recently released games expecting them to run on ancient/obsolescent hardware despite the stated system requirements.

Even if system requirements are extremely vague and occasionally misleading, those combined with some form of AMD's proposed system should help reduce the number of complaints raised by JCMS in the opening post.

 

I think that the there is more consoles because for pc gaming, each time the new games come out, you need to "upgrade" your pc, but consoles just sticks to one and have same games as pc. no need for upgrades :/

 

tsk, tsk, thats why i shud be bestbuy employee, just hope that the requiements do not include tell people that a 5 yr old card works to play crysis at max on 2560 x 1600.

 

People just need to be informed that big box store employees don't really know that much. I mean, they sell everything from DVDs to stereos to computers to vacuums, so it should be common sense... but it isn't. You're not talking to the equivalent of a car dealer, more like a Walmart employee.

 

from what I read the fiasco stem from Intel begging them to let them use the vista capable stickers on gma950 equipped laptops and Microsoft accepting.

 

Yup it was that.

 

lol AMD... why can't u learn from ur mistakes... ^ ^

 

But this has nothing to do with previous mistakes! How can they learn from it if it is not yet a mistake?!

 

i have a ps1 why cant i max crysis?

 

I don't think this will widely benefit the consumer. First off how many laptops are there with AMD/ATi? I don't think you can find these in Best Buy or anywhere else for that matter. So I think the mentioned scenario will still happen until Intel doesn't do the same.

 

That will supposedly change this year when the Mobility Radeon HD 3850/3870 hit; a report I wrote about a while back said ATI planned to take over 50% of the market.

 

That's good news, any ETA on these and what brands might offer these?

 

I think a well thought out WEI-like score would be the best way to go.

 

Thing is, its a good idea, if the retailers think so, then they are going to get more units of AMD computers. And also, considering AMD are fine tuning so that they cost the cheapest perform still admirably, they can get them out at a low price further incentive

 

'THESE' people arent as intelligent as u Lithus....

when MS says Vista capable it means Aero should be a part of it. Poor hardware shouldnt be loaded with Vista & thats what MS did to push sales.

rightfully they were sued.

 

I think it would be a novel idea for the people who are going out to spend potentially thousands of dollars on a product to thoroughly research it first. You'd have to be a bit of a dummy to trust advice for that kind of expenditure from an employee making just enough to buy gasoline and ramen noodles. Everyone has access to the internet, and google is a great way to learn. I knew what I wanted my laptop to do, but also knew I was a dummy when it came to computers. That's why I joined this site and learned about them from all of you wonderful computer geeks; now I have exactly what I wanted!

 

I am defending the not-so-tech-savvy user.