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    AMD will use 28nm for their GPUs in 2015

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Dec 30, 2014.

  1. aqnb

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    You have been prophetic, AMD graphics R&D is already getting budget cuts:

    That doesn't sound good at all for future AMD GPUs, vicious cycle indeed. :(
     
  2. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Yeah it looks pretty grim for AMD at the moment. I wonder if they maybe eventually back out of the discrete graphic card industry and move concentrate around APUs and SOCs which is going well for them? Is that why they are reducing R&D for graphic cards?

    http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150122PD203.html

    Lets hope 300 series see a big jump in performance over 200 series and Maxwell. That could turn it around a bit although they are late to the party.
     
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  3. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    I was saying this (R&D, sales, revenue all go hand by hand) for quite some time now. (Almost) Everyone's response was - buying inferior product is shooting yourself in the leg. Is that really so? Tell me that again with the recent news in mind. I actually hope that AMD would drop its entire consumer line altogether, so nVIDIA and Intel would give their love in your backs as well. Not that they're not doing it, but it can get "better".
     
  4. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    But @triturbo, is a +50% product like GTX 980M over 880M with much better thermals really considered inferior?
     
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    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    It could've been better and we all know it, let's not pretend that it's not true. Precisely this is what I'm implying by saying "it can get "better"" - nVIDIA milking even more. I'll tell you a secret - if 980m happens to be the last MXM 3.0 B I might get it :) I'm no different than the next guy (in this regard) - I want the best and it's not like I haven't had nVIDIAs as well, I just support AMD. Still hope that it wont be the case, but I said I did what I could to give my share of support to AMD, but the future doesn't seem very bright.
     
  6. King of Interns

    King of Interns Simply a laptop enthusiast

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    This is the end of an era guys! No more MXM socketed GPU's along with cpu's from now on.

    AMD are doubtful to bring a final MXM 3 B card out now. With this all new GPU's from NVidia will be soldered and whatever AMD limp out with will follow suit.

    What a shame! I guess this M15x is my first and last true gaming laptop. I have learned from NVidia in how to milk a product to the very last drop......

    I was hopeful till now but the bad news seems to be everywhere I turn..
     
  7. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Still hope for a swan song. I want my swan song!!! :D

    Sony made kick @$$ CRT swan song - GDM-FW900 - 24" (~22" viewable) 16:10 1920x1200@85Hz native, up to 2304x1440@80Hz supported by default, can get to 1920x1200@96Hz if you are lucky with a sample, as well as 2560x1600@75, of course it's 42KG, but who cares :D (check)

    HP made kick @$$ 16:10 notebook swan song - The only 16:10 IPS display in anything bigger than 14" - 8740w with the DreamColor display. Quite the display! (almost check)

    Panasonic made kick @$$ Plasma swan song - ZT/VT60 (some day :D )

    Those are off the top of my head. So yeah, I WANT MY SWAN SONG :D
     
  8. Talon

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    Do you have proof of this? If that were true, I doubt MSI would be touting both the GT72 and GT80 as having at least one more generational GPU upgrade to whatever the 10xxM series will be. They must have some sort of confirmation from Nvidia that there will be one more MXM designed GPU, otherwise they could easily be opening themselves up to some sort of lawsuit.
     
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  9. octiceps

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    Yeah which hole was that pulled out of LOL. InB4 MSI GT80 class action.
     
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  10. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Maybe not nVIDIA (yet), but there's nothing recent from AMD. There's still some time till we draw the line, but neither MSi, nor Clevo releasing R9-M295X models is worrying. Up until now they always had AMD options. Also all of the R9-M295X implementations are soldered - iMac, AW15 and AW17R2.
     
  11. King of Interns

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    Exactly! It is the distinct lack of competition I find worrying
     
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    I've still got hope for Team Red. They've been innovators for far too long and have built up too much faith in me for me to lose hope now.
     
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    King of Interns, your 920XM is a beast. Seriously over 4.0ghz on that thing is crazy. All the more reason why I think my 4900mq is a waste. The difference between this and my stock 4700mq in gaming is pointless IMO. Unless you're number chasing any Current i7 non ULV is overkill for gaming.
     
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    Depends on the game. Some badly coded ones still prefer high clocks. You could get away with an i5 in that case but it has to be high frequency.
     
  15. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    It really depends. The 4900MQ can be overclocked to 4.4GHz on a single core, which is great for those legacy/poorly coded games that can't mutlithread to save the devs' lives. (I'm looking at you FSX :rolleyes:) The 4700MQ can only do up to 3.6GHz single core, and that's a sizable difference of 800MHz.

    Also traditionally CPU bound games in the RTS/MMORPG genre benefit from higher speeds as well, and AnandTech shows a few examples.
     
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    FSX and multi-threading do not belong in the same sentence. :rolleyes:
     
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    AMD the subject of takeover rumors by Chinese firm | ITworld
     
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    A mysterious teaser appears

    <iframe width='660' height="415" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/JbHY09Xf0J0" frameborder='0' allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    Looks like an ASUS DirectCU II card he's holding...
     
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    According to Overclockers UK employee there will be no new AMD products till May-July 2015:

    This would also match recent info by AMD CEO from conference call with investors and financial analysts about GPU launching just in Q2 - H2 2015:

    AMD: We will release new APU, GPU products starting in the Q2 2015 | KitGuru

    This makes this marketing campaign puzzling. Seems it could be just about sales of existing GPU stock:

    See also GPU board creators complaining about not being able to get rid of existing AMD stock:

    So I would expect a campaign with discounts on existing AMD GPUs.
     
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    that's not a good strategy tho... nvidia has way more margin to lower their prices. at this point lowering the prices will only make it worse for them
     
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    That's crazy.
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    PowerColor though...

    I'd personally grab this Sapphire R9 290 for $259.99 after rebate. The 290 and 290X is only about 5% apart stock for stock anyway.
     
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    Not familiar with this PowerColor manufacturer/brand. Is there anything bad about it?
     
  29. octiceps

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    They have a bad reputation amongst AIB partners. Cheaper but lower quality. Basically the AMD analogue to Palit LOL.
     
  30. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    If I were to buy a desktop AMD GPU, it would be a Saphire model..

    Anyways for 4K, the R9 290X does much better then the 970 so for 4k gamers, the R9 290X is becoming even more attractive..
     
  31. aqnb

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    So that new AMD Fix3r video turned out to be anticlimactic (as expected, no sign of 300 series):

     
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    I figured as much based on the previous Q2 announcement and when I saw the DirectCU II card in the teaser. AMD never leads with non-reference cards.

    Stupid commercial, too.
     
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    35% faster than GTX 980? Could be legit.Especially when I look at the power consumption and how much more it draw than 980.
    But I think its the R9 390X. That one will go toe to toe against GM200 me thinks.

    If this is real, it looks like AMD have managed to get almost the same power efficiency as Maxwell. This will be interesting :)
     
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    what? 35% more performance with almost twice power draw LOL?
     
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    40% more performance over 980 (judging on Fire Strike scores) for 60% more power draw.... it looks not bad :vbsmile:
     
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    Agreed. And probably in line with GM200 perf/watt.
     
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    Latest rumors ( translated).

    R9 390 Series = New GCN 1.3 Fiji chip, 4096 shaders 4GB HBM
    R9 395X2 = Dual Fiji
    R9 380 Series = Grenada (rebadged Hawaii)
    R9 370 Series = Rebadged Tonga
    R7 360 Series = Trinidad, unclear whether new chip or rebadged Pitcairn (again :rolleyes:)
     
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    I'm really, really hoping that this is fake. Please AMD, keep the rebrands for lower-end cards. The last thing they need is a card from 2013 competing with the GTX 960 and GTX 960 Ti.
     
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    The rebrands are the lower end cards. Fiji is all-new. Trinidad might be new, too.

    And what's the shame in having your several years old GPU be competitive with Nvidia's newest Maxwell cards? Shows how far (or little) your competitor has come.
     
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    It's just that the people who buy mid-range cards are usually more concerned with things like efficiency. But I must admit, if the 380X is a rebranded 290X and is priced the same as the GTX 960, it would be very appealing for many.
     
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    ROFL efficiency? That's like choosing a Prius over a Ferrari that costs the same because, hey, the Prius is way slower, but it's more efficient!
     
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    Will the GCN 1.3 grace the mobile R 300 series? Fiji looks to be too power hungry for mobile use.

    Sent from my Nexus 5
     
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    No chance for Fiji, but Trinidad maybe. Just hope it's a new chip. Tonga might as well, if they get it under control.
     
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    R9 390's HBM is (for now) limited to 1GB per stack but in physically bigger dies right? The FirePro version got to be really funny.
     
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    I think i can speak for a fair number of us when i say "the 300m series damn well better be new chips", amd have not ONCE, not TWICE, but released the same chip THREE consecutive times, all as the flagship card. To be fair the 7970m was groundbreaking for its time, the 8970m was ok, but oh wow is it hugely outdated now compared to the nvidia offerings. I fear for amd's future if they are unable to produce a top running high performance flagship mobile chip.
    I'm no accountant but i can be sure that a fair market exists within laptop enthusiasts/gamers, and they have missed out on so many potential customers already because of their rebadging. I hope for amd's sake that they get their situation sorted and produce products that will benefit them in the long run to secure their future.
     
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    I am confused.
    Most previous articles have stated that the 380x will be the one using HBM.
    Actually, this one seems to state that the developers 'confirmed' that 380x will have hbm:
    http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...opers-confirm-radeon-r9-380x-with-hbm-memory/

    And then there are these:
    http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/79653-amd-radeon-r9-380x-expected-launched-q2-2015/
    http://techreport.com/news/27664/evidence-points-to-radeon-r9-380x-with-high-bandwidth-memory

    So... what is happening here exactly?

    Either the articles made a terrible mistake in terms of gpu numbers (saying 380x instead of 390x), or, ALL of the articles are based on pure speculation and unsubstantiated rumours.

    The first article however, seems to use direct AMD sources, which confirmed that it will be the 380X with HBM.
     
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