ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

5730 is slightly better then 250gts, about 30% better then 240gt

edit: i see its already been answered

 

ATI 6*** this year?

ATI’s New-Generation Graphics Processors on Track for the Second Half of 2010 – AMD’s CEO

 

Just found out that Nvidia will do a fermi refresh / new cards for Q4 2010, so for AMD to do the same would make perfect sence to me.
Just hope they make 28nm awesomeness for the notebooks, but i think they will choose 32nm.

 

Nvidia is going to struggle to get any kind of desktop availability of their Fermi cards up until probably Q3, more likely Q4 (based on the massive die size). So, unless they were developing another architecture in parallel with Fermi, we shouldn't expect anything until next year at the earliest. Note that this is based off the fact that Nvidia still doesn't actually have a real mobile GT200 yet and it's been nearly a year and a half since it was released for desktops.

 

I read an article once where an ATI rep was cited as saying that by the time consumers are able to buy any new GPU tech it's already been in development for at least two years.

It's pretty safe to assume that even 3rd-gen Fermi and 7000 series ATI are already in development stages.

 

Maybe......

ATI’s New-Generation Graphics Processors on Track for the Second Half of 2010 – AMD’s CEO.

 

Old news. Hecatonchires was announced a week or two after the first 5000 series desktop cards were launched.

 

Of course, 22nm it set to be released in 2-3 years. They probably have the chips on paper now. And also a team of physicist trying to bypass Quantum Tunneling for <16nm

 

i hope they make a 1nm chip...so we can quit wishing for the next lowest one every time one it sited in the news some where....lol

 

You don't have to wait until 1nm. Shrinking a die stops being cost effective at around 18nm-20nm.

 

you know what i mean

 

Yeah, current CMOS technology cannot be reduced under 16nm anyway. They'll need to change how the chips are made.

 

Aside from the above comments, there are things smaller than 1nm... just like how wafers used to be made with um (micrometers), then nm (nanometers), then pm (picometers)...

 

it was more of a "play on the wishing for less when things just come out" example.
nothing real or propose to be real.

 

You're approaching some pretty strict physical boundaries there. The smallest atomic bond length is just under 1 angstrom, or 0.1nm, so you won't get far into the pm range, if at all. Something ten atoms across isn't exactly going to be easy to make, nor particularly stable. And the atoms involved have bond lengths closer to .2-.3nm, so you're talking 3-4 atoms wide in 1nm. With 20nm, you at least have closer to 100 atoms wide, which is a hell of a lot easier to do and more robust.

 

Someone added on Wiki page something codenamed ATI Lexington
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Mobility_Radeon_Series
Very curious what it is

 

I read sometime ago that ATI was working on their response to Fermi...perhaps that? A google search gives nothing, but ATI Inc, Lexington KY...you sure it didnt mean where ATI Inc is located?

 

Check the HWiNFO change log.

 

Yeah, but that doesn't explain anything Wonder if it's this 256b 1600USU GPU we're all missing.

 

LEXINGTON XGL/XT, BROADWAY XGL/PRO/LP/XT, MADISON XT/PRO/LP/XT GL/PRO/LP GL, PARK PRO/XT/LP/PRO/XT GL/LP GL.

I notice how the last 3 are in order of decreasing performance, so Lexington may be higher-performing than Broadway. OOOH!

 

Um, Wiki entries are not something to get hyped over.

 

From what I've seen looking at some atiicdxx.msi files from various Catalyst drivers, around 6 months ago (maybe even earlier) there was two Lexington codenamed gpus. In particular, with its ID:

6880 LEXINGTON XGL
6890 LEXINGTON XT

But Lexington XT disappeared from Catalyst drivers. So, right now we only have a possible Lexington XGL gpu (professional, OpenGL).

 

would be nice, but imagine its TDP and heat it would make

 

AMD, i demand the release of ATI HD 6890! xD

 

The chip may exist, but they decided against releasing it because of TDP/heat issues for now. This happens a lot. The 5970 was "ready" before the 5870 was released, but it was impossible to have the 2 chips on the same PCB because of heat and 400+W TDP.

 

At least, attending to what I've said before, we can say that they declined the XT version of Lexington but they're still working on the XGL one for workstations.

 

so apparently mobility 5870 is very good (Asus g73 threads

 

And yet it could have still been even better.

 

But you can say that about pretty much everything

 

Yes you can...and you'd be especially justified saying it when something better actually exists but wasn't used.

 

Well, you can predict, that it actually exists, but you don't know it. Maybe they had too much heat and power issues to release it just now. You'd prefer to wait more ~5 months and have the entire HD5 lineup, or have some cards now, and the 1600USU unit later? Though you can blame them for the card naming scheme.

 

The thing is, the chip maxes at what, 55w? The MXM 3.0b slot is built to power 75w chips. That's a lot of juice being left unused.

 

i would forget that max at 55 stuff. once you over clock it..it is going to do something like 65 to 85 watts.

 

60W. But the desktop 5770 only consumes 108W while the 5870 consumes ~210W.

 

is that the manufacture specs or a seriously over clocked spec?

 

60W is from notebook checks. 108W is from tom's hardware.

 

ATI spec sheet say it's 55W(maybe chip only)

However I'm expecting HD5890/256bit DDR5 version Q2'10

 

gotcha...
ok..here is the thing...picture you vga like an alternator. the more you rev it up, the more the output...what you see is a spec wattage draw..but not from a seriously over clocked wattage draw.

example:
joker over clocked his cpu and drew 91 watts, while intel said it was only 55 watts max. which proves that it's a bit more than rated.

this goes for video cards as well.

example:
my gtx 295 drew something like 370 watts but was spec'd at something like 280 or so.
my 9800m gtx was rated at 75 but drew about 85 watts when over clocked.

so what is written is not always fact...once you over clock it...

 

Yes yes of course you will get more if you OC. I never said otherwise.

 

cool, then you completely understand...but allot of people are getting this part mixed up..they are under the impression that 55 watt max and thats it...and that is just not the case. if you don't over clock and just use it normal..then that is the case...

 

I really doubt it will show up. Don't remember it on ATI roadmap. i think the 5870 will be their top mobility card on hd5000 series. Sure there will be some Crossfire laptops.

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/amd-introduce-ati-mobility-radeon-5000-series-2010017/

 

AMD.com rates the Mob HD5870 as 50W.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/ati-mobility-hd-5800/Pages/hd-5870-specs.aspx

Yes whether that's just the GPU or the entire card is debatable but for the specs on the Mob. HD5470 and HD5850, that can be made with GDDR3 or GDDR5, TDP ranges are listed for each variation....which to me tends to favor the argument that the TDP rating is for the entire card (at stock clocks). Of course different ATI partners can use different brand RAM that draw more or less power and change those numbers.


Food for thought: The Mob. HD5830 and HD5850 also use a 800SP/128-bit GPU like the desktop 5770 and they take the TDP as low as 24W.

 

They have atleast 20W left (MXM 3.0b) & they are preparing for second revision of HD5XXX

 

An HD6870 before the end of the year is highly probable, but that's not an HD 5xxx

 

you are complaining that 5870 isnt good enough, but remember - its the fastest single core mobile GPU in the market

 

You should rather use AMD's site. Notebookcheck is unreliable.
TDP: 50 Watts
from: http://www.amd.com/UK/PRODUCTS/NOTEBOOK/GRAPHICS/ATI-MOBILITY-HD-5800/Pages/hd-5870-specs.aspx

Not really - in their press releases there were cards codenamed Park, Madison, Broadway and Lexington (original order). And the last one still doesn't have it's corresponding mobile card. And if you look closer, the cards are sorted in performance order with Park being the one with least performance.

 

i currently have a gtx 295. Is it worth it to sell that and get a 5 series? Is direct x 11 really worth it? I am sure that new games will still support DX10

 

dx11 is far superior to dx10 or 10.1 with there flat surfaces.

 

I would probably wait even if you still intend to go with ATI, just wait for nvidia to release fermi, this should push down prices from ATI or even push a refresh (5890 maybe), but overall yes a 5870 will be better, but idk if its worth the upgrade, most games run fine on a gtx285, not to say a 295 or 5870.

 

OpenGL is better.