ATI 5730 in Asus.......

This is the Asus X77 and it is suppose to be here in Mid January so it will be great to have these cards so soon/

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M5380453d400.0.html

 

This is what it looks like apparently and it is pretty thin. Not bad for a $1000 notebook

 

very impressive.

Asus, continuing to lead the way.

 

They seems to have a knack recently for getting things on the street fast, thats for sure.

 

Hmm, not bad. If the 5730 is in a notebook that thin, then I wonder what they'll cram into something like an M980NU or a D900F...

 

that's a nice looking laptop, matte finish too. very cool.

 

just noticed something...


...LOL @ that Enter key shape and placement and the "\" key placement! the "\" is clear on the other side of the keyboard!

wut. keyboard redesign fail is fail.

 

Hmmm, my ASUS G1P's screen is starting to build a liquid behind part of the display and the warranty is up. Maybe time to retire it and get one of these

 

Very nice looking machine. Any word on if they're planning on a similar spec 15" machine? If so, might hold off on making a D on the M15x or HP Envy 15.

 

Nice design, but if the graphics card is one of the high-end models won't the thin design make heating an issue?

 

Comments like the yours provide an ultimate proof that the user description based on a sheer post count, which presents you as "notebook evangelist" is good for nothing. Unless you base your "teachings" on apocrypha books...
The keyboard layout with an old Commodore - RETURN-style Enter key and a two keys-long backspace is ANYTHING but a fail. If you typed on your keyboard in stead of just controlled games, you'd realize that the only fail is... the point you raise in your comment.

In fact I totally ignore the US keyboard style and specifically look for the UK keys placement to get that RETURN shaped Enter key. I actually own both types of keyboard for my ASUS V1Jp, the US one has never left the plastic seal.

 

I saw some site claiming that mobility HD5730 is very power efficient, so it might help to make thin notebooks.

 

This laptop looks very slick, and is definitly gonna be worth the money. Lets just hope it won't have the same heating issues like the asus G51 or g60, but then again, maybe this ati will be a lot cooler than nvidias gtx 260/280 cards.

Edit: I agree with Adique that a status based on a post-count is totaly wrong. Only the few who really know what they are talking about should get a higher status, and yet this should not discourage people to check everything someone says. Everyone makes mistakes.

Edit2: I wonder how that corei5 will do compared to a higher clocked core2duo like one with 2.53 ghz for example.

 

We can't really say where the new 5000 cards fall in on the Consumer, Mainstream, Performance, Enthusiast line yet since there are more/different models now then there were in previous generations.

So far we've only seen benchmarks for the Mobility HD5650, which we've naturally compared to the Mob. HD4650, but for all we know right now the HD5650 may be aimed at filling the spot of the Mob. HD4570...as there are no Mob. HD5500 cards rumored to be released...making the Mob. HD5730 the direct successor of the Mob. HD4650's notebooks.

 

That $1000 US is a typo, right? If not, wow.

 

In fairness though, keyboard placement is very much a personal preference. Some users like the larger Return-style Enter key, while others prefer the smaller Enter key. Having used both, I'm not particular about either one to use, and tend to adapt to the keyboard quickly. I actually notice the lack of the £ sign more than I do the size/shape of the Enter key.

As for the status bit, why pay attention to it at all?

Out of curiosity, are you one of the few?

They sure do.

Pretty much how I feel about it. We don't know where the 5730 lies.

 

For $1000 that looks like one hell of a laptop...

 

Can a moderator please remove 1 post count from this guy? His post was equally as worthless, if not more so. I'd hate to be mislead in future threads by his post count.

 

What is the quality of the keyboard like? From what I am told low end Asus laptops are made of poor quality. So you have to spend $1400 + before you get anything of quality from Asus.

 

The desktop 57xx cards are already 128 bit and GDDR5, so I'll expect the same of this. It'll probably just be a very downclocked 5750 with maybe. According to wikipedia (and I don't believe this at all) the 5870/50/30 will all have 1600 SPs, the 5770/50/30 will all have 1440 SPs, with the 5750 and 5730 being 128 bit bus and GDDR3........wait, wait.....WHAT?!

I don't think ATi would do that. And GDDR3 on 128 bit would be an incredible handicap for those particular GPUs. That's 1440 SPs with a quarter of the potential per clock memory bandwidth in comparison to the desktop versions of that GPU. That doesn't make any sense if that is true.

 

4830 = GDDR3, no?

To be honest, I expect it to be a higher end mid range card, akin to the 4830, GTS 250M and the like. And if it proves to be better than that. Well, jolly good. If not, at least I won't be that disappointed.

 

I wouldn't trust wikipedia. It'd make no sense for the mobile HD57xx to have more SP than the desktop ones Normally ATI mobile parts are underclocked desktop ones.

 

Wikipedia is great for general info however its "poop" if you want straight foreword and definitive facts. Its main problem is that it is open to the public for audit which could dis inform or be incorrect, hence why if you wikipedia for a report or essey your professor is less likely to take you seriously.

I remember a while back when Wikipedia stated that "Sinbad" had died of a heart attack but in fact he hadn't.

I am not sure we can trust wikipedia when it comes to the 5000m series either.

 

We can't. There's not a single place on the internet that would have any confirmed (AMD slides or something) specs of the MR HD5 cards.

 

Well we could base it on the Desktop variants however that will be surely flawed. We will just have to wait and see, I really hope the 5750 is not 128mbits and GDDR3. I hope it utilizes 256mbits and GDDR5 but that is as likely as Christmas in July.

 

the desktop 5750 doesn't even use 256bit bus your living in a dream if you think they will do that for laptops.

 

Yea I am well aware of that hence why I used a colorful Christmas metaphor.
I am sure its going to be like its desktop variant weaken by a 128mbit bus, with choice of GDDR3 and GDDR5 and not to mention slightly lower clocks.

 

5750 probably won't. 5730 probably will use GDDR3.

 

The fact that there's a 3 involved should tell you guys that this will not have a performance chip's specifications. Expect it to be the successor to the Mobility 4500 series, at best.

 

The Envy 15 and its ATI 4830 wishes to wave hello to you.

Sure, it might not match up with the GTX 260M, but it's still a very decent card.

 

5850 and 5830 will likely have 1440sps. 5830 will probably be GDDR3. The 57xx will probably have 720 or 800 sps (like desktop). I'm still wondering how they will cram GDDR5 in notebooks graphics card, especially 15 inches.

I wouldn't trust wikipedia, they used to list the 9500M GS and the 9650M GS as 65nm chips, while they are rebranded 8600M GT and 8700M GT. I changed it myself.

If we have a mobility 5770 with GDDR5 and 800sps, we are now in higher league of the GTX280M I think.. A 58xx with 1600 sps would just make a revolution in the gaming notebook area I think.

 

Well, I should have included the combo of the 7 + 3 = lower expectation of performance. Of course I'd expect more from a 4830 or, in this case, 5830, but a 5 730 is not going to blow socks off, even in mainstream terms. I expect it to be 64-bit.

I'll gladly accept the shame if I'm wrong.

 

One can hope. Hope that it's at least decent mid-range, not hope that you'll accept the shame.

 

Mind you that there's a 7 involved too. And the one with the 6 (5650 to be precise) is already faster than 4600 series.

 

7 takes priority over the 3 though. I expect the 5770 to be 800sps GDDR5, 5750 720sps GDDR3/5 and the 5730 720sps, lower clocks and DDR3/GDDR3 (probably mainly DDR3)

 

According to Notebookcheck this notebook would be More powerful the a GTS 250 if true that would be amazing. I mean when you consider how thing this notebook is I have to im impressed.

 

5650 is already more powerful than GTS250M.

 

^^^Maybe its more powerful then the DDR3 one. Are you sure its more powerful then the DDR5 GTS 250? Because that was a pretty powerful and cool running card.

 

Do you have a link to GDDR5 250M test? I've seen only GDDR3 so far.

 

why would it be 64bit? so far only low end use 64bit bus. 5730 is defo not low end.

 

Agreed.

Obviously the card will be slightly better than the 5670. 4670 was upper-mid for a 2009 laptop, 5670 will be upper-mid for a 2010 laptop. So even if 5730 only performs 10-15% better than 5760, it will still be a very good card. Not high-end for a 2010 card, but still very good, and hopefully excellent value for money.

 

Rumors are suggesting there won't be a Mobility 5670 model.


Again you can't compare 5000 series cards to previous generations on model numbers alone....especially since these new cards are also a die shrink and you may start seeing some model numbers appear in smaller notebooks than previous generations.

 

I think that a laptop that costs around 1000 dollars with a 5 series ati that is better than the ati hd4650 is still a good deal.

 

The HD4650s were purely handicapped by the usage of DDR2 memory and the 128-bit interface, trust me. Even the desktop versions suffer from the same issue. I took my Radeon 4670 1 GB DDR3 from 750 core/800 mem, and boosted it up to 800 core/900 memory and ended up going from 6800 in 3DMark06, to 8000. The bandwidth is a huge limiter when comparing the 4650 to the 4670 because it's such a drastic difference in memory speeds because of DDR2 vs DDR3 & GDDR3. Of course you guys know that already. Thankfully though, games didn't suffer from the issue too much. The faster core speeds helped it to beat the Geforce 9800M GS in my lappy despite it's 256 bit memory + GDDR3 memory @ 850 MHz (it could do another 1500+ more 3DMarks than the Radeon). However, to make the GPU about twice as much powerful with 640 SPs or 800 SPs yet to still utilize a similar class bandwidth via 128 bit + GDDR3 I feel might be limiting too much potential. I think this generation, ATi should just make GDDR5 the standard across the whole board, except in the very lowest end cards, where GDDR3 could of course, still be an effective solution. GDDR5 is more energy efficient per clock cycle than GDDR3 I hear, so why not bring those power savings (and double the bandwidth to boot) to the entire range? I highly doubt it's too expensive to do so.

 

But most of the Mobility 4650's use GDDR3.

 

NVDIA's GTS250M GDDR5 is in Toshiba X500 series laptops but its crippled... lower clocks then really should... i would still buy a GTX260M rather than a GTS250M GDDR5...

 

Somehow Nvidia is still going to finish this round of mobile GPUs competitive with what is essentially three year old tech. It's amazing.

 

Hm, but 40nm makes it still very appealing. Its unfortunate no one has really tried to push it to see how far it can go.

 

Which model is this ? N61JQ-A1 or N61JA-A1 ?

 

It already said it's the X77...