ATI Debuts Mobility Radeon HD 4000 Series at CES

Well boys and girls, its official. I was at CES in Las Vegas today when ATI officially released the 4000 series to the public. It wasn't a surprise to us all at NBR since all the rumors out there on the 4000, but to the general public at CES it was a shock. I think they could not have released the 4850 and 4870 to laptop size until 40nm die shrink. At the press release they didn't mention the die size of the GPU. Take a look at the 4850 and 4870. 800 stream processors BABY!!!!!!

GENERAL PICTURES--
http://blog.laptopmag.com/ati-debuts-mobility-radeon-hd-4000-series

SPECS LINK--
http://blog.laptopmag.com/ati-debuts-mobility-radeon-hd-4000-series/atislide9

 

woooooooot! that's lovely news mate!

 

The ASUS W90 18" gaming laptop gaming laptop takes the cake though. They're equipped with two ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 GPUs in Crossfire mode.

Nvidia has also announced their GT100M series for laptops meant to succeed the Geforce 9200-9600M line. Apparently and unfortunately though, there's no replacement for the high-end Nvidia cards (Geforce 9800M series).

 

According to the specs it says gddr3 & gddr5 for the 4800 series.

Interesting...

 

Nah it's not quad crossfire, I'm unclear if it's a 4870x2 or 2x 4870's.

 

Any word on whether the 4870 will fit in mxm3 slots? Or am I going to have to cancel my OCZ a week before I'm supposed to get it?

 

with its known issues and slow release of new hi-end card, i think nvidia's downfall had begun

 

Wow, those charts are really bad. Just like MSI's awful advertising

 

There's no such thing as 'quad' Crossfire. There's triple Crossfire, no quad. There's quad-SLI though.

The Radeon HD 4870 X2 is considered a single GPU.

It's not unclear, they announced it to be the TWO Mobility Radeon HD 4870 X2s in Crossfire mode for the ASUS W90. That's what it says on Engadget though,

 

According to Asus' site, its dual 4870s

- ATI CrossFireX™ technology with ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4870 graphics, GDDR3 1024MB VRAM (W90Vp)

- NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GS, GDDR3 1024MB VRAM (W90Vn)

- ATI CrossFireX™ technology with ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 3850 graphics, GDDR3 1024MB VRAM (W90V)

http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13996

 

No they didn't announce that, I made the thread after all.

"- ATI CrossFireX™ technology with ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4870 graphics, GDDR3 1024MB VRAM (W90Vp)"

And no need to educate me on ATI's terminology, they basically all mean the same thing anyway (SLI / Crossfire / Quad / Dual Crossfire).

 

Trust me, 2 4870x2s (which means, 4 GPU cores) would be getting well over 15k in 3dmark06...

 

I wish we could finally get some confirmation on the clock rates. The 4870 kept all 800 SPs though, hot stuff.

The 4670 is actually the most interesting card of the whole bunch, to me. I really hope ATi can demolish the mess Nvidia's made of the mid-range gaming section. I'm talking everything from the 8600m GT to the 9700m GT, good game no rematch.

 

more stuff on the ATi cards...

http://newsticker.welt.de/?module=smarthouse&id=830630

But what truly sucks is that the new MXM form factor: by the looks of it, it looks like the new MXM 3.0 spec. This would be bad for people looking to upgrade if the 4k cards only support this form factor. Maybe Flextronics or MSi has an MXM 2.0 version of the cards...

Also, they released some specs:

MR 4850 = 550mhz core, 700mhz memory (GDDR3)
MR 4870 = 680mhz core, 700mhz memory (GDDR5)

MR 4670 = 680mhz core, 800mhz memory (GDDR3, 128 bit)

It seems that manufacturers have more leeway to modify the GPU boards a bit, namely with the 4800 being able to support GDDR3, GDDR4 and GDDR5.

 

Great post, thanks. From that slide, we can estimate the clock speeds.

HD4300/4500
-------------
Core: 675 MHz (MR 4550?)
Memory: 800 MHz (1600 MHz DDR3) (Maximum, assuming GDDR3)

HD4600
-------
Core: 675 MHz (MR 4670)
Memory: 800 MHz (1600 MHz DDR3) (Maximum, assuming GDDR3)

HD4800
-------
Core: 550 MHz (MR 4870)
Memory: 700 MHz (2800 MHz DDR5) (Maximum, this has to be the MR 4870 since 1400 MHz is well out of GDDR3 specifications)

EDIT: I'll figure out the core clock later. Calculating core clock with GFLOPS with stream processors is a pain, especially with ATi's complex RV770 architecture.

 

4670 looks amazing! if the specs are final, then this card will pwn every nvidia card all the way up to 9700m gts.

 

So it's a no-go for Whitebook owners too? I thought OCZ reps confirmed that they will be shipping with the cards in March or soon after.

 

Confirmed MXM 3.0 spec (not type III)...physical different connector! so no hope of seeing it in Clevos of current generation..

 

Ati is the king of NB for 09 and possibly 10..

 

Sources:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11331&Itemid=1
http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/16185

Awesome!

Pity that I already own a MBP with a 8600M GT though. Simply wouldn't have been practical to wait a whole year just for this.

 

Hope it shines, quite bored with Nvidia dominating the midrange.

 

I wish S3 or Matrox (oh...my years...) also presented smth there...

The more producers - the bigger competition is - the better for us

 

whoa, hold on. It's not set in stone yet. Those are just the samples ATi chose to use, and maybe they chose the MXM 3.0 variant.

MXM 2.0/2.1 variants of the 4800 still exist, and may still exist. Other than the flickr page I linked to in the middle of last year:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21969965@N05/2675957643/

The A12 marking usually means that it was in its final stages and PCI certified to test in notebooks/MXM slots, hence why it was probably tested already (if you look at the other pictures in that album).

and than there is this:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/289/1050289/mercury-debuts-rugged-gpgpu-box

It's a GPU box that uses MXM GPUs. They also claimed that this particular model uses an M98 (ATi Mobility 4870). If you look at the 2nd picture, you can tell by the connectors and the screw placements that it's consistent with MXM 2.0/2.1 standards. And apparently, the filled up slot on the left in the 2nd picture may be that 4870 with the heatsink...

So I guess manufacturers ultimately choose to use MXM 3.0 or MXM 2.1. Just like how the GeForce 7950 GTX was originally presented in MXM-III form, but Clevo decided to design an MXM-IV variant of the 7950 GTX, while Arima (now Flextronics) designed/stuck with the original MXM-III design.

Edit: Also, this picture (the connectors are MXM-IV):

http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,s=27849&iid=225226,00.asp

But where would that possibly fit in any notebook? (lol, they weren't kidding when they said the Mobility 4850 x2 was going be on one board...)

 

Great news! Though it is MXM 3, but I guess all the new lapps will support it Now we have to wait, before we see one of those on eBay

 

If they offer this in the Studio XPS 16, I will get it over the 13

 

Too bad they never will offer it in the XPS 16 (they use only mainstream cards). 38xx = 55W -> 48xx = 75W That's the same TDP as the 9800M GTX and FX 3700M!!

 

perhaps i read wrong.

is there a difference between MXM 3.0 and MXM III?

 

i hope hope not, but considering what other ppl are saying , i think they are different

ahhh i dont want an outdated card .....

 

What's to stop them from putting in a 46xx card into the XPS 16?

 

It's confusing, but yes, there is a difference.

MXM 3.0 refers to the hardware/software revision of the module. So far, there's MXM 1.0, MXM 2.0, MXM 2.1 and MXM 3.0.

MXM III is a form factor within the MXM revisions 1.0, 2.0 and 2.1 that describes its size and thermal conductivity. There is MXM II (what most Acers use and what Asus used for their NVidia GeForce 8600Ms for their C90 models), MXM III (what Arima uses for their W830Da, W835Di and W840Di), and MXM IV (seen in high-end Clevos and Alienware M15x and M17x). The MXM 3.0 revision labels these form factors differently as they are now just Type A and Type B, with Type A being for lower end models (35W) and Type B being for higher end ones (75W).

More info on MXM 3.0 and MXM in general can be found here.

 

Well seems the HD4xxx series are just as promising as people expected

Now we just need to see what notebooks come out with these GPUs lol

 

You made me lol.

 

Okay, so hope is not lost for those of us with MXM-IV slots. Thanks ichime.

 

Nothing. I hope they do have an upgrade shortly. It's just the 48xx series won't ever be in the XPS 16. I consider the 46xx series mainstream, but AMD calls it performance-thin. *rolls eyes*

 

This is all pretty awesome and makes me look forward to what's to come in about three years when i'm shopping again! if i can hold out...

 

Your very wrong, All HD4xxx series cards support single, dual, triple, and quad crossfire, whether that means two HD4870x2's or 2 HD4870's + 2 HD4850's put together for quad, it still just works. Also, CrossfireX supports many more multiple GPU methods than SLI at this point, since SLI tops out at 3 slots, and the cards must be identical (aside from clock speeds)

Also, quad crossfire WOULD get around 15k 3dmarks in a notebook because it would be HEAVILY bottlenecked by every single notebook CPU out there. Quad Xfire is bottlenecked by even 4GHz quads on desktops, so what would make anyone think it wouldn't be in a notebook?

I'm reading that the top end HD4870 is rated at 75w max, doesn't MXM HE only supply 45w? wouldn't this mean a new slot would be necessary?

 

any idea if there's a possibility that the 4670 will make it to MXM-II?

From what i've gathere MXM 3.0 is an entirely new standard.. as per the official website. But is 2.0 different from MXM-II?

 

I don't pay much attention to graphics cards specs until I'm looking to buy a new computer. But I noticed that ATI now seems to be using the same numbering system to denote cards as Nvidia - is that the case? Is a 4800 roughly, or supposed to be, equivalent to an Nvidia 9800 series card? And likewise, the 4850 to something like a 9800 GT/GTX? If this is the case I think its a good idea to eliminate confusion. Most people that care about graphics cards will do the requisite homework to find out whats best and which card is roughly equivalent to the other, but you've gotta think a lot of folks who just drop by Best Buy to get a card to run X game they just bought would be swayed by a higher number card.

Any idea what Nvidia is going to do for the 10000 series cards? Are they going to use 5 digit numbers or start coming up with a different naming scheme?

 

Welcome to June 2008.

Nvidia's GTX 280 and 260 came out as their top cards, now the GTX 295 is NVidia's top card and the GTX 285 is a refresh of the GTX 280.

 

LOL I am a bit out of the loop then huh? I swear I've never heard of these. I even look at computer specs from time to time, just to see what is selling for what price.

 

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/2009/test_nvidia_geforce_gtx_295/14/
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/2009/test_nvidia_geforce_gtx_295/11/

Should give you an idea of how the GTX 295 and HD 4870 X2 stack up against the 9800 GT / GTX.

 

GTX 295 is a beast! I can't wait to see what the GT212 does.

 

ATi has released a powerpoint slide comparing 2 Mobility 4870s with GDDR5 and Two 8800M GTX in SLi:

http://hothardware.com/image_popup....formance-comparison_hh.jpg&articleid=8432&t=n

Only thing though is that Vantage scores are kinda inflated due to the ATi system using a Quad core while the NVidia system (a Sager interestingly) uses a Dual core. The games mentioned aren't multi-CPU optimized (and if they are, not as much as SupCom or Lost Planet), though this slide would have been more credible had the CPUs been the same.

I'll still search for actual numbers (i.e. someone actually running a game in one of the ATi/AMD/ASUS/Anysystemwiththesecards booth)

 

Not a huge difference. The 8800M GTX has been on the market for over a year, so the 4870 is not THAT impressive in that context.

But hopefully it will crush the 8800M GTX (9800M GT) in terms of price/performance.

 

Single card comparisons will interest me more.

 

Hi I'm a noob looking into getting a gaming laptop/desktop replacment. I was thinking of getting one that had the nvida 9800m gt but I would like to know if the ati m 4850 would be better? Both with 500gb ddr 3 ram. Was thinking if was going to be the 4850 maybe this one :
MSI GT725-075US 17-Inch Laptop
(2.53Ghz Intel Penryn Core 2 Duo P9500,
ATI R4850M 512MB DDR,
4GB RAM,
320GB SATA HD,
BluRay

or if 9800 maybe this one :
clevo X70 MV 15.4-inch Laptop Pro Intel Core 2 Duo P9500 2.53GHz, 6MB Cache, 1066MHz
Nvidia GeForce 9800M GTS 512MB DDR3 Graphics
4GB DDR3 1333MHz PC3-1066
320GB 7200rpm SATA HDD
SATA Dual Format +/- DVD Writer

any thoughts?
Thx

 

First, I believe you mean 512MB (not gb). Second, from notebookcheck and various sites (google) the 4850 is slightly faster, built on a smaller process (so less power consumption and heat = more overclock or better battery life), plus it should be quite a bit cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent. Next, the MSI also has the turbo function to OC the CPU by 20% so now it'll be just over 3GHz. Lastly, it has a Blu-ray player. Overall, I'd say the MSI is the way to go (in fact, I'm looking at trying to pick one up).

 

The HD 4850 destroys the 9800M GTS. MSI +1

 

9800M GTS is basically a 9600GT
HD4850 is 200% faster than 9600GT with AA/AF (judging by the benchmarks)