ATI Mobility HD 2600 Thread

Looking to start gathering some information on this upcoming card. From what I can gather it seems to be a competitive DX10 mainstream card. HD support is a big part of this card's architechture and DVI or HDMI (HDCP) outputs are going to be standard! Yay!

Early reports seem to indicate 256MB GDDR3 RAM, 65nm Die Process, 120 Stream Processors, and 24 Unified Shaders.

REVISED The XT version will probably see 512MB onboard RAM as well as higher clock/memory frequencies (if history is any indication, probably about a 25%-35% performance increase). The XT version, in all likelihood, will be the same basic 2600 card with higher clock speeds.

"The Mobility Radeon HD 2600, with a core clocked between 500 and 500MHz, and either a 64-bit or 128-bit memory bus clocked between 550MHz and 600MHz. At the top of the range is the Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT, with core clocks as high as 700MHz and memory clocked up to 750MHz.
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/in...=view&id=388&Itemid=31&limit=1&limitstart=9)I

http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonhd2600/specs.html

I'd like to keep this thread updated so as new information comes in I'll try to incorporate that.

 

This mdg computer has the ATI RADEON HD2900XT, and it is only $2200 Canadian.

 

http://www.mdg.ca/en/products/desktops/stealth/

 

Pretty sure this thread is about the Mobility card, not the desktop one.

 

Huh... we're talking about mobility/notebook GPUs...

 

Desktop x2600 HD is pretty cool though. 256 GDDR4 @ 2400mhz.

 

There is a new feature in ATI Radeon HD 2400
That is UVC, Which can totally take over the job from the CPU for HDTV acceleration.

 

A small note here - there is no "X2600 HD" - it is properly called the "HD 2600." ATI dropped the "X" prefix and now there is only HD, a space, and then the model number with the designation letters attached to the end. Ex: "HD 2600XT"

 

New for ATI yes but NVidia all ready have this on thier new cards, Purevideo HD i think its called.

 

The not yet announce Asus F8 should have a 2600 with 512mb.

You can follow the rumors here, http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=128202.

 

Are there any benchmarks floating around for this card?

 

None yet since it hasn't been released. Slowly, more information is coming in, but nothing earth-shaking at this point.

 

I do not have any benchmarks, but I believe this card will not be significantly better or worse than the Nvidia 8600M. The cards are designed to compete with each other.

 

/me peers into his crystal ball. The ATI card will have a better fill rate, yielding higher FPS at lower resolutions and without fancy eye candy. However, at mid->high resolutions and with some AA/AF enabled, the Nvidia card will gain a 10% advantage over the ATI card.

/fortunetelling

 

I think this card will only beat the Nvidia in multiple shader heavy games only...

 

There have always been "ATI games" and "Nvidia games" as in performe better with one or the other brand. I think with the different concepts this will show much more now. It should be hard to make games performe good for both.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...rk-List.844.0.html?&or=&search=&sort=3dmark06

looks to be a decent amount better than the 8600M GT. probably subpar compared to the 8700 tho. we'll see :s

 

You mean the 2600 XT?

Is there any possibility of the 2600 XT actually making its way into 15" laptops though? I got the impression it would only be in bigger laptops (heck, I think the first laptop it was announced in was that 20" HP HDX or whatever).

 

Prepare to weep. If you thought the 8600M performance was disappointing, wait until you see the HD 2600XT performance. These are the first benchmarks I've seen of the card, albeit on the desktop. It should still apply once it reaches the mobile space.

http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/graphics/reviews/0706/1030007_6.html

The HD 2600XT on the desktop sits between the 8500GT and 8600GT in terms of performance for the most part. Comparing the 8500GT and the 8600GT desktop to their mobile counterparts, the 8400 M GT is a bit faster than the 8500GT (core/shader clocks the same, the 8400 M GT has a 50% advantage in memory bandwidth over the 8500GT). Meanwhile, the 8600 M GT will be about 10% slower than the 8600GT on the desktop. (Memory bandwidth the same, core/shader clocks about 20% less than the desktop version)

Given that, the desktop version of the HD 2600XT should be about on par with the 8600 M GT for the most part.

We may see improvements with newer drivers, but as it stands, don't get too excited about the 2600 series. (The 2400s are just horrendous.)

 

I didn't think the 8600M performance was disappointing....... are there people who have found it disappointing? If so, what were they expecting out of the 8600M? Personally I thought the performance improvement it gave over the GeForce Go 7700 or ATI Mobility X1600/X1700 is very impressive for 15" laptops.

Also, haven't we already seen the performance of the HD 2600 XT Mobility in reviews of the HP 20" HDX "laptop"? Seems like it does quite well, although I am not sure if it's going to fit into any 15" laptops or not.

 

I haven't heard too much about performance concerns with the 8600 series on the mobile side (mostly because most people here seem to put 3DMark scores on an alter...) but looking back on desktop history, the top mid-range card gave performance on par or very close to the middle of the high-end cards. This has not happened with the 8600GTS.

Take a look at the benchmarks I posted for yourself.

 

I know.... I was responding specifically to this line:

Who thought the 8600M performance was/is disappointing? I've generally seen nothing but praise for the kind of performance people are seeing, at least with the 8600M GT in the Zepto, Asus G1S, MBP, etc.

And not just 3DMark scores, but performance with actual games, people seem to be very impressed with what they can get now out of 8600M GT packing laptops.

So that's why I was confused by your opening line......

 

Well, I did. The 8600M GS doesn't seem to be much of an improvement over the Go 7600 and especially the Go 7700. The 8600M GT is where the real improvements are, with 32 stream processors as opposed to 16 or less in all the other 8xxxM series.

 

Gotcha, I see. Yeah, I've only paid attention to the 8600M GT.

 

That disapointment also comes from people looking for the enthusiast DX10 card to replace the Go 7950. Since no enthusiast 8M card came out at first, the 8600M GT was the top dog, and it sure didn't fulfill peoples hopes of replacing the 7950. So that's where a lot of the bad rep for the 8600GT came from on this forum.

So if those same people look to the Mobility HD 2600 XT to be the new king of notebook cards (beating the Go 7950), they will be disapointed again. And so far at least, the 8700M GT doesn't look to be their savior either.

For anyone that could care less about ethusiast card and just wants a good mid range card, the 8600M GT and HD 2600 XT are very promising.

 

You also have to remember, you won't get an enthusiast card on a 15.4" and under laptop. Those are very rare and hard to come by in such a small package. I think the HD 2600 XT would be a perfect fit for a top end mid-range card. Of course, I plan on getting a stock 2600 with the HP 8510p and then doing a small overclock to get to factory settings +10% or so.

 

Just to verify, is the HD 2600 XT going to show up in 15.4" laptops? Any that are known so far? The only laptop so far I think I've seen announced with it is the 20" HP HDX.

 

The HD 2600 should fit in the same power envelope as the 8600M so I'd assume we'll see them in the 15.4" form factor.

EDIT: 300th post... in over 2 years.

 

There are some rumors that the Asus V1Jp and F8 are going to be updated with the HD 2600XT. No concrete news yet, of course ...

 

Interesting. That's what I was wondering, whether it would be the actual HD 2600XT or a lower end version of the HD 2600.

If so, it seems like the HD 2600XT could be pretty impressive.

 

I dun think the ATI has heat problem as serious as the Nvidia one. So the XT could basically fit anywhere from a 14 to a 20"

 

I dunno, we have to wait and see.

If you go top end 2900xt vs 8800gtx the 2900 has a major heat/power problem. So much that it even requires a special 8pin power connection to overclock (recomended atleast people have been doing it with the 6pin)

there lower cards the 2400 and 2600 are in the hands of a few people and built off a 45nm process. If they are smart and want to one up nvidia they should release there top end moble gpu as a 45nm so it can use less power, produce less heat, and have better performance. The seem to be ahead of nvidia in that aspect. Lets hope it doesnt have that super scaler tech in it like the 2900 does tho, its not very efficant with the poor drivers they have.

 

It is 65nm... even Intel havent produce anything on street that is 45nm now..

 

Oops yeah 65nm intead of the current 80nm.

Got GPU and CPU mixed up abit

 

Found another HD 2600 laptop. The toshiba A200..
http://pc.toshiba-asia.com/news/index.jsp?newsid=151

 

a 15,4" laptop with 2 hard drives? Cool! Or is the 2nd hard drive just in place of the DVD drive in a media bay?

It looks like this has been anounced long ago. I hope ATI/AMD gets their act together soon. I want to know what this baby can do!

 

The Toshiba has both two hard disks, and the optical drive in at the same time. The engineers have done quite well cramming all that in, with a good graphics card.

 

I noticed they mention just HD 2600 though..... what is the performance of the HD 2600 (not HD 2600 XT) like?

 

It is based on the same architecture as the 2900 series. It seems like there's quite a bit of potential to be unlocked with new drivers though - on paper the HD 2600XT looks quite good.

 

It would be nice to try even the without-XT HD2600 against the 8600M series in real world... The curiosity is eating me ;-)

 

The Toshiba is a very interesting notebook indeed. dual hdd's simple design, and what might be an equal or better gpu than the 8600gt.

Hope we get more details on release date and cost. Then of course some benchmarks

 

I don't think the Mobility HD 2600 will perfomr the same as the 8600 GT, but its probably much closer to the 8600M GS. Toshiba seem to be concentrating on graphics ability with their notebooks in their recent notebooks, so they may decide to implement the Mobility HD 2600 XT in a 15.4" notebook, if the thermal output and power consumption are within acceptable levels.

 

Maybe it would beat the crap out of 8600M gs (i hope.. coz i m very dissapointed with the gs, they shouldnt even have this gs at all)

 

Eh the 8600gt and the 7950 are totally diffrent monsters tho, besides one being dx9 and one being dx10 wich already puts them worlds apart.

the 8600 is a mere 22w or so and fits inside small notebooks while the 7950 is a monsther that goes in big stuff and takes alot of power and produces alot of heat.

If you broke it down from pure performance numbers and instead look at a ratio of power/performance where power is the amount of space and system power draw and heat produced vs the amount of redering power it has the 8600gt is actually far supperior to the older 7950.

Plus the 8600gt shows GREAT overclocking results due to its full on 32 stream processors.

Im sure the 8800m will beat or tie the 7950 but we have to wait and see. The 8800 is the top end of the 8' series while the 7950 was the top of the seven series so thats the only fair comparison anyways.