ATI Radeon 6850 & 6870 show their presence.

AMD/ATI show off the new desktop 68xx's and state details and release will be on Friday, good news for those hoping/wanting mobility 6870's. Aptly predicted by a poster here forgot who, but they said Oct 18th for show and the friday for release. Have a look and who knows when we'll be seeing 6870's in machines? (rhetorical).

Article and showcase video.

If the naming scheme has changed and this is the replacement for the 57xx series I wonder when the higher end cards will be debuted and released.

 

We will definitely be seeing mobility 6870 in the near future.

 

Which would be nice, if not for the fact that the 6870 and 6850 replace the 5770 and 5750 Way to go, AMD!

 

6850 is just behind 5850, 6870 is not far from 5870 so it's still good. Cayman draws way too much power for a notebook GPU to be based on it, so it's the only way to go. I suspect AMD will get greedy on prices though, at least until the supply is plentiful and cypress is off the hook.

 

Eh, this isn't that exciting. I'm waiting to see the gpus that the Playstation 4 and X720. So when I see a card that is a marked improvement over the 5870, then I'll be excited.

The way it's looking though, even the 5970 will only be a 10-15% improvement over the 5870.

 

So what's the speculated speed differences for 5870 and 6870 mobile?

 

The higher end cards are HD6900 range, with the "monster" card being the HD6990.

These 6800 series are merely replacing mid range with higher performance at competitive prices. They are looking to price-match the GTX460s while offering higher performance.

As for the mobile versions. My best bet is the 960SP solution, with should provide a nice boost specially if they make it 256 bit GDDR5, or much higher clocked 128 bit GDDR5.

I am more interested in finding out if I can replace my HD5870 with HD6800 series.

 

Consoles are looking at system-on-chip solutions for their next gen so you might want to keep an eye on Bobcat, Llano, and Bulldozer.

 

If the 6870m is based off fo the desktop version?

Something like CF HD5870m (assuming normal CF scaling... ).

 

Source? I mean, yes, it's possible they could go that route. But if they do so, they will be handing over the lucartive tech junky segment to the competition. They would also risk not having enough of a jump up in visuals leading to fewer gamers bothering to upgrade.

Me and my friends have always purchased the most powerful system each gen (the xbox last gen and the PS3 this gen). And we tech junkies are probably the ones that buy the most number of games, the people with 16+ game attach rates that console makers want to attract.

Both the PS3 and 360 launched using 200+ watts of power.

Considering that I would imagine a GPGPU would do the vast bulk of the processing next gen, I could imagine most of that 200 watts could easily be devoted to the GPU.

A slightly more efficient take on a high end ATI 6000 series card would be viable 2012, especially if they start manufacturing them at 28 or 22nm by then instead of the 40/32nm they're currently using.


Sorry, the gaming discussion is offtopic here. Please take all gaming discussion over to this thread specifically devoted to the issue...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...fresh-2012-what-you-expecting-predicting.html

 

Mobility 6870 will be close to the desktop 5850, so it's nearly holding the power of Mobility 5870s in Crossfire.

 

The new XBox 360 Slim has already made the move to a SoC design, and for a while Sony was look at Intel and Larrabee for their PS4.

Fusion wanted for next generation consoles

Welcome to Valhalla: Inside the New 250GB Xbox 360 Slim - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

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Intel will design playstation 4 gpu - The Inquirer


By 2012-2014 AMD will be at least on their 2nd or 3rd generation of Fusion APU and even Intel will have pumped up their graphics a bit. Both companies would also be more than willing to design something specifically for consoles.

 

Can Intel do as good a job as Nvidia or ATI though? I'm not convinced that they have the experience for it, especially because of Larabee. Sony stopped looking at Larabee and went back to IBM from all the rumors, probably because of how disappointing Larabee turned out.

I think MS probably will go with an AMD+ATI Fusion CPU. Between directx api's and reusing ATI, backwards compability with the 360 should be no problem even if they opt not to use IBM.

But I think the PS3 would want to use a beefed up Cell or the IBM Power 7 or Power 8 cpu and pair it with a next gen Nvidia GPU so that the PS4 would be backwards compatible with the PS3 right out of the box. It would also pack quite a punch in terms of performance, which Sony has always pursued with their consoles and electronics. And lastly, all the knowledge their inhouse developers acquired working with the Cell, wouldn't go to waste. They could for example port the Gran Turismo 5 engine directly over to the PS4 without any challenges.

Now that Sony doesn't have to sink a bunch of money into brand new drives promoting a brand new media format (CDs with PS1, DVDs with PS2, and Blu Rays with PS3), and reusing the Cell would be cheap as hell for them, they can afford to use that money towards getting an awesome GPU.

With how good the graphics in current gen games look on HDTVs, I think both fanbases would be up in arms if either console maker gave up backwards compatibility. It would also be a key feature. There are a ton of gamers that opted to get a 360 but wish they could play Uncharted, Gran Turismo and God of War. They will be heavily enticed to get a PS4 if it ran those games right out of the box.

 

Considering the fact that the next generation of consoles (except for maybe the Wii's successor, which you obviously couldn't care less about) probably won't even be announced until at least 2012 (since Kinect and Move were obviously made to extend the current gen's lifespan), you really can't say for sure what will be possible with SoC when their time comes. It's way too early to make assumptions. And that of course means this discussion is totally irrelevant to the subject of this thread...

 

Here's a discussion thread for you.

Console refresh ~xmas '12: who's in the running? - SemiAccurate Forums

 

Fair enough. All I meant is that it would make sense for Sony to reuse the cell cpu given that they already paid the research costs for it and had their developers become very adept at using it, not to mention backwards compatibility and the ease with which they could port over their current engines to the next gen (the Gran Turismo 5 engine, the Killzone engine, the Uncharted engine etc). Plus they own the rights to it, it wouldn't cost them a penny beyond the actual manufacturing costs.

So I don't see much chance of them going with either Intel or AMD.

But you're right, this is off topic. I'll move this discussion elsewhere.

Please take all further gaming discussion over to this thread devoted specifically to the issue...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...fresh-2012-what-you-expecting-predicting.html

When will we find out about 6990? That's the only gpu that can impress me at this point (considering it's the only one that seems to offer any performance gain over the current top of the line gpus).

 

How soon are we talking for the mobility 6870 in crossfire to be available on the m17x?

 

we may see the mobile cards in early Q1 2011, and if trends continue will see the X-fire in Clevo units shortly afterwards and the Alienwares a few months later ... a guess Q2 2011